crowphoenix
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Yosuke. It'll be in the shop.YuriLowell said:
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That's what the strategy guide's for.News Bot said:I wish the game told you when the S. Links were to show up at the points where you can finally interact with them. It only has the days for the Strength and Sun arcanas.
You can open up a few S-Links from the jobs whcih are entirely predictable. I don't think the other S-Links follow any set schedule (except for Hermit which is pretty much always available).
YuriLowell
Member
Tamanon said:To Yosuke
And to the next post, the crafting items aren't used in quests, when you get the quests, the mobs drop the quest items.
Strange.
I have a friend who is trying to go back and get the wrench that gives him 40 extra SP, but I dont know if she can go back until she finished up Yukiko's castle.
I'm checking the monthly listings now. Some links are more predictible than others but most vary from week to week. Moon and Hanged Man in particular.Blackjack said:
Even the main party members are somewhat unpredictable (and that's without taking into account the irregularities brought on by the monthly mysteries).
baphometbones
Member
Tamanon said:
For sure. Once you get Yukiko and her weapon that adds to her SP the game becomes a lot more manageable. Although, Yosuke still ended up running out of SP before anyone else in the second dungeon from spamming Magaru and once you reach that point you suddenly have a lot more important things to worry about in dungeons then SP conservation.
Hm. I never saw anyone break schedule that I can remember (barring, like you said, the mystery times when party members weren't around and then exams week). Pretty much no one shows up when it rains (you can basically only do Sun Empress and Hermit as daytime links during the rain), so that could be itepmode said:
Crystalkoen
Member
This game'll be the end of me... was late to work this morning because I was up until 3 last night playing, and slept through my 6:50 AM alarm.
Finished up the second dungeon boss, and I must say...
Can't really argue that much, though. I'm drinking up the difficulty and thoroughly enjoying it, even if it does take 2-3 attempts to take out some of these bosses. Finished D2 boss at level 22, too. That probably didn't help the fight at all.
Just got the Dilligence needed to do the Hospital Janitor job, and all I have to say about that is
Love both of the Dojima storylines, too. Only 3-4 ranks into each, but it really makes for endearing characters.
Also thrilled to see Tanaka still bringing his amazing commodities over the airwaves. Anyone know of any other non-spoiler easter eggs/nods to prior games in this one? All I have so far is a Phoenix Ranger Featherman R reference and Tanaka's Amazing Commodities on Sundays.
Finished up the second dungeon boss, and I must say...
Seriously? Stat boosts, Power Charge, and Swift Strike? Whatever developer was behind that boss is a seriously sadistic S.O.B.
Just got the Dilligence needed to do the Hospital Janitor job, and all I have to say about that is
Helloooooo Nurse!
Love both of the Dojima storylines, too. Only 3-4 ranks into each, but it really makes for endearing characters.
Also thrilled to see Tanaka still bringing his amazing commodities over the airwaves. Anyone know of any other non-spoiler easter eggs/nods to prior games in this one? All I have so far is a Phoenix Ranger Featherman R reference and Tanaka's Amazing Commodities on Sundays.
my order from amazon.ca finally arrived today in pristine condition,it came boxed with plastic bags of air and the game and artbook were in a bubble wrap envelop inside the box under the plastic bags with air in them,bravo amazon/atlus.
anyways,gonna sink my teeth into this later,should i start on beginner or do normal? how hard is normal? i have p3 and fes but i never finished either due to the repetiveness wearing me down,but the changes in this game has made me wanna play again since i do love the concept. so im not really a beginner but i dont wanna get frustrated while playing this game,but on the same hand i dont want to be a cakewalk,which difficulty do you ppl use?
anyways,gonna sink my teeth into this later,should i start on beginner or do normal? how hard is normal? i have p3 and fes but i never finished either due to the repetiveness wearing me down,but the changes in this game has made me wanna play again since i do love the concept. so im not really a beginner but i dont wanna get frustrated while playing this game,but on the same hand i dont want to be a cakewalk,which difficulty do you ppl use?
baphometbones
Member
Was anyone able to come in at the top of their class on the first mid-terms? I got every question right and my knowledge was leveled up to rank 3 and I still just made it in the top ten. Is it even possible the first time through the game or do I have to wait for a replay?
this game is awesome, i just finished the first dungeon and what started as a frustration but ended up as my favorite aspect of the game is that at any given fight - my party can be wiped out. i dont know how many times i feel like im cruising and my health is good, my sp is still decent then BAM! - a couple of miscues, a couple of unluckiness - my whole party is wiped out. every fight keeps me on my toes. i like it.
Crystalkoen
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DiddyBop said:
I'm playing through on Normal, and to my thinking as a SMT veteran it's a fair challenge, without being overly difficult. I guess one of the main things with difficulty would revolve around how much time you want to spend listening to Opera music staring at Igor's face while trying to get specific skill sets on any given Persona to make things a lot easier.
Nice to see his book got published, then. That ended up being one of my favorite S Links in P3.Tamanon said:
Before the aforementioned nods, I had been wondering whether or not the game took place in the same world/continuity as P3.
Beardz: All of the MegaTen titles are pretty much stand-alone, with the exception of Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment. If you've played prior games, you'll recognize characters/references present in Persona 4 (Even Persona 3 had a few), but if you've not, you won't miss anything important to the story line.
Yeah, I had one of those last night. Fight that got a 5-pack of reinforcements when I was already getting low on SP. I barely survived, and then spent the next 10 minutes frantically trying to avoid fights to get to the save point I KNEW was coming.
fights that aren't dangerous need to be entirely removed from turn-based rpgs.
there's a great inter-fight dynamic going on so far in p4 too. you need to conserve sp in every fight so you can stay in the dungeon longer, so you rarely want to go "all out" if you can do something less "costly" that gets the job done (making things bufu useful even once bufula is available, for example).
it's even more important to make each trip to the tv count in p4 (vs p3) because it cuts into your social life much more than it did in p3 (where it mostly just hurt your sleep).
there's a great inter-fight dynamic going on so far in p4 too. you need to conserve sp in every fight so you can stay in the dungeon longer, so you rarely want to go "all out" if you can do something less "costly" that gets the job done (making things bufu useful even once bufula is available, for example).
it's even more important to make each trip to the tv count in p4 (vs p3) because it cuts into your social life much more than it did in p3 (where it mostly just hurt your sleep).
aku08 said:
Funny, this is exactly the reason why I'm completely frustrated with this game. I enjoy the feeling of making progress. I don't care about getting wiped as long as I feel like it's my fault for losing. But when you've taken every precaution to avoid a game over, you can still get tossed and lose everything you did in the last 20 minutes or so.
For example, I saved my game right before the boss battle. My first attempt fighting the boss is always a test run to see what works and what doesn't. So from that, I figured out that I need to level up a bit. I leave and come back another in-game day so my characters have full hp/sp. To make sure shit doesn't hit the fan, I would only grind as far as one floor below the save point. I get a few levels along with some dungeon items (to me it's always worth the hassle to look for items, especially if they can replenish your sp) and as I'm returning to the save point, I get wiped. Not because I was low on HP and SP but because I'm fighting enemies that would go three times in a row because they keep exploiting my teammates' weaknesses.
I've beaten P3 so I should be used to this but I don't get that feeling of being wiped at any moment towards of the end of P3, where I'm already heavily invested into the game. As for P4, this is still just the beginning so it's really making me care less about this game.
This is one of the things that kept me engaged the most in P3 and will probably be the case again in P4: the fact that you have to pay attention in every fight. The weakness of the enemies and your own, what attacks and skills to use, lower magic still being important, keeping an eye on your sp, thinking if fighting that bigass random monster with lots of hp but little xp or running from it is the best choice... Too many RPGs keep you choosing only attack these days and I feel that's what makes them a borefest after the middle. I'm always glad this is not the case here.birdchili said:
the only time this is truly dangerous is when you're exploring a new area (ie: unknown monsters), or if you get surprise attacked (which is pretty-much your fault (though it certainly happens to me)). for a known set of creatures, you now have "guard" which eliminates elemental weaknesses of a character. if you're not planning on finishing the fight in the first round, you might want to ensure that vulnerable characters aren't giving the shadows extra turns.jasonng said:
i've definitely been wiped out by random encounters (once, so far, i think)... you need to guess at strengths/weaknesses based on how an enemy looks, and try and find patterns based on the arcana it belongs to. the combat would be pretty dull without the difficulty, frankly.
Prime crotch
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I think it's just a way to get clues about S. Links and such.Alts said:
There are plenty of reasons why I love SMT games, but one of the most prominent reasons is also the most frustrating.
Here it is: my latest SMT moment.
So, I had finally made it to
. I realized that I was pretty underlevelled, as I tend to be (I think someone said that Doublejump recommends 27, I was 21). So, I lost a few times to see how he would act during the fight.
. Anyway, I go level up once, get some SP items, heal at the fox, and head back on up. I manage to beat
, and then
was a piece of cake. The entire time, the boss luckily seemed to rely on his single-member attacks. I get him down to about 200 HP, and then BAM! Swift Strike, double hit, unguarded, on the MC. Down he goes. It missed everyone else.
Sigh...I hate and love shit like this, because I know it'll be freaking sweet when I actually beat him.
Here it is: my latest SMT moment.
So, I had finally made it to
Shadow Kanji
HOLY HELL AT THE RANDOMNESS OF HIS ATTACKS.
Nice Guy
Tough Guy
Sigh...I hate and love shit like this, because I know it'll be freaking sweet when I actually beat him.
frostythecat
Member
Y2Kev said:
I agree, level 27 is a tad excessive. I beat him with everyone around level 22-23 on expert. The trick is to guard whenever he uses power charge, and always nullify the bonus of heat riser with dekaja. Jiraiya has it I believe.
Don't believe those lies, i'm nearly at the end of the game and I almost haven't grinded. The only thing I did is explore each floor of the dungeon completely and fight the boss when I confidently killed everything in the last floor of the dungeon. If that failed, then it means fusion time.Y2Kev said:
I just want to say that I love the game. I don't want the game to finish
.fusion and strategy over leveling for the first dungeon boss, anyway...
first attempt was a total party kill, teleport down and fuse, killed again...
leave the dungeon and come back with full hp/sp.
two more tries with the same lineup and slightly varied strategies and i got it. very satisfying.
of course the optional boss is just stupid. it seems to be there just so people who love grinding have something to aspire to.
first attempt was a total party kill, teleport down and fuse, killed again...
leave the dungeon and come back with full hp/sp.
two more tries with the same lineup and slightly varied strategies and i got it. very satisfying.
of course the optional boss is just stupid. it seems to be there just so people who love grinding have something to aspire to.
Well, that 'feature' pisses the hell out of me.
(Endgame stuff)
At least wasted phases weren't as big an issue as they were in P3. I read a book unnecessarily one night, and that was the only time I 'skipped' a phase towards no useful end.
(Endgame stuff)
I beat the boss too soon, so I get to miss out on the rest of the S. Link days. Hooray! I don't know if I want to go back and do them or not; beating the final final dungeon might be annoying without the Rank 10 bonuses. Then, before I entered the dungeon, I got blocked from doing S. Links with any of my teammates.
At least wasted phases weren't as big an issue as they were in P3. I read a book unnecessarily one night, and that was the only time I 'skipped' a phase towards no useful end.
Thank god. Finally beat
at Lv 22.
Man, I got really lucky towards the end. He Swift Striked my party (Yukiko was already dead), missed both Yosuke and Chie, and doubled up on my guarding MC for about 120. Then he wasted a turn enraging Chie, so I was free to use Garula and Sonic Punch. Then he used Tetrakarn, which let me finish him off with one more Garula.
Whew. Definitely satisfying.
Shadow Kanji
Man, I got really lucky towards the end. He Swift Striked my party (Yukiko was already dead), missed both Yosuke and Chie, and doubled up on my guarding MC for about 120. Then he wasted a turn enraging Chie, so I was free to use Garula and Sonic Punch. Then he used Tetrakarn, which let me finish him off with one more Garula.
Whew. Definitely satisfying.
OK, I know that most of the elemental boost skills stack, but how about Counter? Like do Counter (10% chance) and Couterstrike (15%) stack at all? Or does Counterstrike just totally supercede Counter?
edit: Gamefaqs to the rescue:
9b. Stackable effects [009b0]
Despite what the DJ guide says, there are certain effects provided by passive
skills or accessories that are stackable according to the following rules, with
(+) denoting a stackable combination and (-) a non-stackable one:
1. A passive skill and an accessory providing the same effect NEVER stack.
Examples:
(-) Fire Boost and Fire Bracers
(-) Fire Amp and Agni Bracers
(-) Apt Pupil and Omega Drive (quadruples critical hit chance? I wish)
2. Barring Rule 1, elemental (Fire/Ice/Elec/Wind) effects DO stack.
Examples:
(+) Fire Boost and Fire Amp
(+) Fire Boost and Agni Bracers
(+) Fire Amp and Fire Bracers
3. Again barring Rule 1, HP and SP regenerative effects DO stack and take
effect in succession.
Examples:
(+) Regenerate 1, Regenerate 2, Regenerate 3
(+) Regenerate 1, Regenerate 2, Space Badge
(+) Invigorate 1, Invigorate 2, Invigorate 3
(+) Mage's Mark, Invigorate 2, Invigorate 3
(+) Space Badge, Spring of Life (Junpei)
4. All other multi-tiered effects do NOT stack. The highest-tiered effect takes
precedence.
Examples:
(-) Growth 1, Growth 2, Growth 3 (only Growth 3 takes effect)
(-) Counter, Counterstrike, High Counter (only High Counter takes effect)
edit: Gamefaqs to the rescue:
9b. Stackable effects [009b0]
Despite what the DJ guide says, there are certain effects provided by passive
skills or accessories that are stackable according to the following rules, with
(+) denoting a stackable combination and (-) a non-stackable one:
1. A passive skill and an accessory providing the same effect NEVER stack.
Examples:
(-) Fire Boost and Fire Bracers
(-) Fire Amp and Agni Bracers
(-) Apt Pupil and Omega Drive (quadruples critical hit chance? I wish)
2. Barring Rule 1, elemental (Fire/Ice/Elec/Wind) effects DO stack.
Examples:
(+) Fire Boost and Fire Amp
(+) Fire Boost and Agni Bracers
(+) Fire Amp and Fire Bracers
3. Again barring Rule 1, HP and SP regenerative effects DO stack and take
effect in succession.
Examples:
(+) Regenerate 1, Regenerate 2, Regenerate 3
(+) Regenerate 1, Regenerate 2, Space Badge
(+) Invigorate 1, Invigorate 2, Invigorate 3
(+) Mage's Mark, Invigorate 2, Invigorate 3
(+) Space Badge, Spring of Life (Junpei)
4. All other multi-tiered effects do NOT stack. The highest-tiered effect takes
precedence.
Examples:
(-) Growth 1, Growth 2, Growth 3 (only Growth 3 takes effect)
(-) Counter, Counterstrike, High Counter (only High Counter takes effect)
wait, I heard that you could only have one GF in the game? Is that true or is it one at a time (until the SL is 10)?
Also, here is a cool little Skill/Persona cross reference guide
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwsp1tyCRd8aXt-4H7eVtcA
Printable version:
http://www.geocities.com/lime_2_k/P4SkillLookupList.pdf
Also, here is a cool little Skill/Persona cross reference guide
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwsp1tyCRd8aXt-4H7eVtcA
Printable version:
http://www.geocities.com/lime_2_k/P4SkillLookupList.pdf
I don't think Atlus fully considered the implications of the Fusion Forecast when they implemented it. It's not even July and I've managed to get Victory Cry (twice!), several extremely powerful physical attacks, and a selection of Repel [Element] skills.
All that for a net outlay of about 60 minutes and 50,000 yen.
All that for a net outlay of about 60 minutes and 50,000 yen.
YuriLowell
Member
So what do I do to figure out how to open the 3rd dungeon. I talked to the guy at the riverbank, but he says swing by if you learn anything new after I talked to him.