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YuriLowell
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Error said:
:lol :lol That has made my day. Its almost as entertaining when the IGN and Gamespot reviews came in for P3, and they both had some paragraphs that were exactly the same.
Someone copied the Press Release.
Durante said:
The note about multiplayer was in their disclosure section, which says how much time they spent playing what game modes. It isn't something that factored into the review, just a description of "We played X hours of single player. There is no multiplayer."
If anything, disclosures like that are good review practice, even if I strongly disagree with reviewing a game when you're only halfway through it.
stawnkald
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There's just not enough genuine RPG gamers in the business right now, or at least the ones that really give a shit about the genre. 1UP is lucky to have one, and IGN used to before Dunham got promoted. They've really gone to shit over there since that happened. Unless you stick to an RPG enthusiast site it's going to be loaded with silly stuff like "no multiplayer wtf" and "lol same town".
It almost makes me want to get back in the review game...but I still have some of my sanity. :lol
It almost makes me want to get back in the review game...but I still have some of my sanity. :lol
Yaweee said:
that would be me who reviewed it over at Gamezone. When I asked the Atlus rep if the cities were the same, as their PR sheet they gave me said, I believed it. So I sent my review in on Saturday after about 50 or so hours of gameplay. Then Sunday I put my time into Persona 3 to see if the cities were truly the same and they weren't, so sent a revised copy on Monday which was the embargo date.
Thus, gamezone put up the old review rather than the new one I sent in. They fixed it mid-day after I noticed they had the old review up.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Nice reviews so far, cannot wait. 40+ hours guaranteed.
If you know, spoil it probably, but are crafting persona recipes the same?
If you know, spoil it probably, but are crafting persona recipes the same?
Urban Scholar
Member
Yaweee said:
I understand for a reviewer time is a luxury given their schedules and what not. Yet for a RPG to only review based on the first half of it leaves out that second half that make or break it for some people. Many games are "different" once you hit that half towards the end.
The lowest review so far at Popmatters, 8/10 A lower score than they gave P3:FES, but it was also by a different reviewer.
Their main complaint was the high difficulty and hours upon hours of lost progress by getting one-shotted.
Their main complaint was the high difficulty and hours upon hours of lost progress by getting one-shotted.
Urban Scholar
Member
Yaweee said:
*snicker* sounds like somebody was playing a SMT game wrong.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Blackjack said:
I think he might have meant not saving near constantly, but that might just be because I have lost 3 or so hours of work in 3 by getting Mudo'd.
Urban Scholar
Member
Metroidvania said:I think he might have meant not saving near constantly, but that might just be because I have lost 3 or so hours of work in 3 by getting Mudo'd.
Blackjack said:
Yeah you're right, I've just gotten to a point with the series to expect that kind of thing more often than not.
true. but if you're not making it a *top priority* for your main character to have immunity, you're definitely doing it wrong.Blackjack said:
p3 had those idols (?) that blocked insta-death attacks. you were insane to go into an unknown area without one in your inventory.
p3 was pretty reasonable wrt insta-death attack (compared to nocturne). it's not like you need to have *everyone* protected.
dead MC=game over is fine.
it's going to make having strong slinks with your party members more important (due to the "taking a bullet" mechanic that kicks in), so you'll have reasons other than immunities/level to pick certain party configs over others, which is always good in my books.
i'm going "hard mode" from the start, with full manual party control turned on. in spite of liking the ai system a lot from the first one. i can't not use full manual if they offer it. i'd have preferred that they just "fixed" the ai from the first and didn't give you a manual option, frankly.
it's going to make having strong slinks with your party members more important (due to the "taking a bullet" mechanic that kicks in), so you'll have reasons other than immunities/level to pick certain party configs over others, which is always good in my books.
i'm going "hard mode" from the start, with full manual party control turned on. in spite of liking the ai system a lot from the first one. i can't not use full manual if they offer it. i'd have preferred that they just "fixed" the ai from the first and didn't give you a manual option, frankly.
i don't want to have the ai never make mistakes - it's fine if it does sometimes (particularly if they use it to give characters a personality (say a character who's full of bravado will go for the uber-physical attack even when a less costly attack would suffice)).Blackjack said:
the ai in p3 did some truly dumb stuff though: casting buffs and de-buffs during fights that weren't going to go to round 2 being the most annoying that i can think of off the top of my head.
the ai sped up the combat so much though. it was definitely important to switch up various character settings now and then, but you were generally making far fewer inputs per round.
with a manual option, the ai is going to be more annoying, so i won't use it. in p3 i mostly could predict the dumb crap my companions would do and i just worked around it.
Huh, I rarely had problems with AI in P3. Actually, my only problem was that they didn't do enough buffing/debuffing, so I had to do that stuff myself.
So, i mostly had them on knockdown. I think there were some boss battles in FES (maybe just one) where I did not get hurt at at all.)
So, i mostly had them on knockdown. I think there were some boss battles in FES (maybe just one) where I did not get hurt at at all.)
No matter how retarded an AI can be, it should never repeatedly use a spell with an element that heals the enemy. My biggest gripe with P3's AI is that it didn't learn from its mistakes. And when they'd knock down an enemy and then use a normal attack on it (which would sometimes heal it, too). Whether or not the AI was set to knock down everything, at times I would have preferred it.
You know, what it needed was a Retardedness slider so you could tune the party to your playstyle and mood!
You know, what it needed was a Retardedness slider so you could tune the party to your playstyle and mood!
Blackjack said:
It wasn't in my experience. If you ran out of chances (all your party members pushed you out of the way) then you were screwed on the next attack, but I don't think they ever failed to block the first one.
Also, I just asked the testers and the party members will block a successful Hama/Mudo hit, leaving them with 1 HP afterward. So yeah, there's more of a buffer than there was in P3 even if you don't have any Homunculi.
Urban Scholar
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Blackjack said:
Ha-ha, it wouldn't worth playing if there wasn't right?
TheChillyAcademic
Member
Tamanon said:
Well that would work similarly to Full Moon fusions in Nocturne wouldn't it?
Naoto sounds greeeeat. This is going to be Persona 3 all over again, keeping every party member around the same level and racking up a ridiculous amount of playtime. Which of the characters has the best healing spells? In P3 the only person that never left my party was Yukari since she covered that quite well. I didn't want to bother with it on the main too much.
My favorite was when an enemy used a skill to reflect damage, and the characters ended up killing themselves or most of the party. That was more hilarious than annoying. :lol
Well, it didn't happen often for normal enemies (especially once they were analyzed), but bosses, on the other hand... enough times to be annoying. There were also those times when the enemy reflected/absorbed a character's element and they did absolutely nothing, when they could have been healing or buffing.Error said:
My favorite was when an enemy used a skill to reflect damage, and the characters ended up killing themselves or most of the party. That was more hilarious than annoying. :lol