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noi5e said:
I personally felt that P3 FES Hard Mode was much, much harder than P4 Expert Mode. Mostly because most of the bosses on the higher levels of Tartarus were tailor-made to screw over your teammates (or you'd be forced in positions where you'd pretty much have to leave one teammate KO'd for the entirety of the fight), or the bosses had higher level spells where they really should not have. For instance, remember that Sleeping Table boss in P3?
With the exception of how much HP some of the P4 bosses had, I felt the boss fights were pretty fair, almost like most boss fights in Nocturne where the fights rewarded smart play. That, and I think the ability to actually control your teammates makes a world of a difference.
johnsmith said:
Yeah, I think I'm noticing that too about P4. P3 on Normal was really really fun. It had so many great midbosses, and a lot more of them too... I remember fighting against those three stone giants with all my party members dead, poking each one to death with a spear, dodging mortal blows, feeling like a rock star.
Basically in P3 when you got to a boss fight, you were always at exactly the right level to fight it, not over or under-leveled-- so it came down to strategy. Maybe it's because I'm used to SMT games that I know how to exploit boss fights at lower levels so I end up having to make up the discrepancy later.
MechaX said:
That's true. I think the boss fights in P4 are generally good ones and certainly a lot more fair than, say, The Answer's. However around the time that summer ended, I kept bumping into bosses and finding out that I was underleveled by a lot with not even a chance of squeaking by. In P3 you could usually make do with using equipment that had Resistances, fusing a new Persona carefully so that you could win the fight by a very small margin. Maybe it's just that the times when you had to grind in P3 it went by mercifully fast.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
DiddyBop said:
I kind of enjoy AI control. It can make it harder, for sure, but I enjoy the way it makes battles play out. It causes me some frustration, but it also lets me really immerse myself in the game, so I'm planning to play to the end with AI control still on for party members.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Isn't P3 @ like 220k here in the US, and FES @ 150k?
kafka rock opera
Member
Well at the very least i bought my copy of the game at Best Buy and i think that speaks for this games non niche'ness.cakeman19 said:
Crystalkoen
Member
Ugh, I feel like such a dick for doing this to Chie... but I couldn't just walk out on Yumi at the end =/
I love how she's all like "You're going to make me come out and say it, aren't you?" at the end, too. "Spent a long time", indeed.
Maybe I can get away with justifying it as "Comforting Time" if Chie ever finds out... yeah, that's it. >.>
Up to the end of October now, 2 days prior to the Culture Festival. I'll be thrilled when I beat the game, just to be finally done with it, but I don't think I'll be able to justify a second playthrough... really, ever. Any of the truly interesting S-Links I have max or near max, and I'm not really interested in a date with the Reaper, or fighting the second playthrough extra boss. Certainly never put as much time into Fusion in P3, or even P4, as others in this thread *cough* Scarlet *cough*.
I love how she's all like "You're going to make me come out and say it, aren't you?" at the end, too. "Spent a long time", indeed.
Maybe I can get away with justifying it as "Comforting Time" if Chie ever finds out... yeah, that's it. >.>
Up to the end of October now, 2 days prior to the Culture Festival. I'll be thrilled when I beat the game, just to be finally done with it, but I don't think I'll be able to justify a second playthrough... really, ever. Any of the truly interesting S-Links I have max or near max, and I'm not really interested in a date with the Reaper, or fighting the second playthrough extra boss. Certainly never put as much time into Fusion in P3, or even P4, as others in this thread *cough* Scarlet *cough*.
Crystalkoen
Member
zoku88 said:
Haha. Point taken. I went into this game thinking "I have the option of Friend or Girlfriend, I'm going to play it straight."... then freakin' Yumi has to go and do that to me. *sigh*
Already have Yukiko maxed as a friend, though. Bullet dodged there. Don't think I'll be able to avoid Rise, though. I swear, she already knows how this shit's gonna turn out, and is just waiting for me to catch up.
Just saved and finishing up for the evening, right before the culture festival. LOVE the exchange about the beauty pageant on the roof at lunchtime.
Kanji:
C'mon, make me a man already!
Absolutely priceless. Looking forward to Saturday/Sunday this time around, both in-game and in life, since that'll be the next chance I get to play.
Seriously, hats off to Atlas for making this game, and the US crew for a superb localization. I can't thank those guys enough.
At the ending branch now. P4's different sad musics always get me. :/
Although it is kinda weird how they use the determined, upbeat song during .... BIG DECEMBER EARLY SPOILERS
The same music they use any time you beat something in the story. Throws you for a loop.
Although it is kinda weird how they use the determined, upbeat song during .... BIG DECEMBER EARLY SPOILERS
When Nanako flatlines
SatelliteOfLove
Member
zoku88 said:
Yosuke strikes me as a Jack-of-all-Trades; he's got a little of everything, so each "type" of spell is long in the tooth at times. His Persona-summoning animation makes up for any problems.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I just made a Black Frost that leveled up from 38 to 43 
I'm in the area after
I'm in the area after
Rise's dungeon
Volcynika said:
That's good. When I played Persona 3 last year, I kept thinking "how the hell is this going to find a market here?" I was shocked to see how well it did. I guess the reviews helped. If that's any indication, P4 should do a lot better. I still can't believe it has a 94 metacritic average
i put in damn near 60 hours into this game in about 2 weeks,if a game can get me that addicted,it deserves great scores. this is a game that is extremely hard to find faults with,i havent heard of one complaint outside of the difficulty,this game deserves all the praise it gets.cakeman19 said:
Red Scarlet
Member
Oh wtf, I just got Yukiko in my party, and she wants to go into the tv, and at the top of her castle is some king dickhead or something. I guess my levels are a bit high (18/18/18/16) though, because Pop On Arrival is angry(?) that I beat him.
If the reward is similar for later ones, it doesn't seem worth it.
http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/kingasshole.avi
If the reward is similar for later ones, it doesn't seem worth it.
http://redscarlet.paragonsigma.com/kingasshole.avi
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
I've taken a little break from P4, been playing Resident Evil 4 and Madden 09 the past few days.
So far, I like everything about this game infinitely more than P3. I could never imagine going back to playing P3 after playing this. I like the characters, plot, setting, and battle system a whole lot more. I also love everything about the Square button in this game, being able to transport everywhere around town just by hitting that button is awfully nice.
Still, my only minor gripe about Persona 3 and 4 is its lack of "epicness" that you get when playing more traditional RPGs. The feeling of traveling all over the world and visiting new places to save the world is something that I've always like about the RPG genre. In Persona 3 and 4 you stay in the same town and don't ever really do any exploring... outside of dungeon crawling. I think it would be neat for Persona 5 (?) if you would travel around to different towns and it was an open world type of thing where you could run around to the different parts of the town freely.
So far, I like everything about this game infinitely more than P3. I could never imagine going back to playing P3 after playing this. I like the characters, plot, setting, and battle system a whole lot more. I also love everything about the Square button in this game, being able to transport everywhere around town just by hitting that button is awfully nice.
Still, my only minor gripe about Persona 3 and 4 is its lack of "epicness" that you get when playing more traditional RPGs. The feeling of traveling all over the world and visiting new places to save the world is something that I've always like about the RPG genre. In Persona 3 and 4 you stay in the same town and don't ever really do any exploring... outside of dungeon crawling. I think it would be neat for Persona 5 (?) if you would travel around to different towns and it was an open world type of thing where you could run around to the different parts of the town freely.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Red Scarlet said:
Your levels are too low, fight him later. In the following dungeon after Yukiko, climb to the top where the save point is... transport back to the Home area, and return to Yukiko's castle. Then beat the extra boss at the top. By then you should be able to. That's pretty much how you would proceed with the rest of the game. Beat the Bonus Boss of the previous dungeon right before you beat the boss of the dungeon you are currently on.
Red Scarlet
Member
Well, he's already dead now, though. Oh wtf, everything's skippy on my computer now I guess.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Red Scarlet said:
His Rampage attack is pretty cheap if your lower leveled. It'll probably be better to do as Adam Prime stated, I personally kept reloading the save and finally killed him (he hadn't used Rampage once in the battle I had won).
Also, to all the fishers in here, there's a sure fire way to catch Huge Fish.
1) Fish on Rainy Days
2) When you cast out your line, count up to three (one one thousand, two two thousand, three three thousand)
3) If you don't get a nibble (a rumble) by three, reel her back in (by pressing O). You want to time your counts so your ahead of hooking a "normal" fish but not so quick that you don't get a nibble from a Huge Fish (this line is thin).
4) If you do get a nibble, it should bob 3-4 times (signified by a rumble). From using this technique, I've pulled in a Huge Fish 100% of the time (got 3 Huge Fish in one go
)Red Scarlet said:
Determination!
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Red Scarlet said:
Well that treasure you got for winning should be helpful in the next dungeon. Yeah, it's all about getting lucky and not having him cast Ramapge to pwnz0r your party. I usually just go after the bonus bosses after, they're not too tough then.
dfyb said:
Exactly. I give this game a 10. It's so damn addicting. P3 was a headache for me. After I finished it, I thought "finally over". I loved the game, but there were parts that were tedious. When I finshed this game, I was thinking "...I need more". I could never have predicted I'd be doing a new game + before I got this.
Red Scarlet
Member
Adam Prime said:
Unless I get something as I leave, all I got was 450xp, 1000 yen, and a courage bonus. As an aside, that skippy video is how L4D is acting on my computer right now too. I wonder what's wrong with my video card/computer.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Red Scarlet said:
Whoops, you needed to walk up to the platform where you fought the boss and press X to get a weapon for Yukiko. I'm pretty sure you can go back there and get it even after you cleared the boss, it'll still be there. But now you're going to have to walk up 11 floors to go get it.
... and you can visit multiple dungeons in the same day, on the same trip to the TV. Just go back to the entrance of the TV where everyone is standing and talk to that party member to go to their dungeon. But like you mentioned, you want to get everything done in 1-2 days so that you can have more time for S.Link raising and stat raising.
Red Scarlet said:
Yeah, like Adam said, check the throne to find a good weapon for Yukiko on the ground. I just found it by chance (realized I could run around the boss room afterwards that time, so I just ran around mashing 'x' to see if I could check anything). Same thing is sitting in the back of Yosuke's dungeon if you go back.
Anyway, yeah, the bonus weapon for Yukiko is still not a terribly great item if I recall (especially since Yukiko is more of a healer than an attacker, so it's kind of moot). But you get one of the most useful items in the game from a bonus boss... so definitely beat them up.
zoku88 said:
Um... if you haven't beat the game yet, then go back to
heaven
a ring that halves SP used.
Crystalkoen
Member
Yukiko's weapon obtained after the extra boss may not have the greatest in attack power, but it's got that nice +50 SP on it. Kinda the same as Yosuke's +40 SP on his weapon.
I'm 5 dungeons in, pretty close to starting the 6th, I imagine, and I STILL use Yukiko's. Longevity goes a long way, and when you're still using Agilao, that's an extra 8 spells that she didn't have without it. Kinda starts lagging behind when you hit -dyne level magics, but if you just have her healing, it extends the Media/Mediarama love for a good while.
The 4th and 5th dungeon weapons are also really useful. One gives a low chance of inflicting ANY status ailment on attack, the other is +5 all stats. Both are very solid attack power/accuracy for when you get them.
As for me, I always spent an extra day after beating the dungeon, usually rainy days as mentioned above, to level some personas for fusion going into the next dungeon.
Kinda funny, if you go back into the 4th dungeon immediately after completing it, the extra boss isn't there yet, but you can still get the extra weapon. Kinda cheese, but really makes doing dungeon 5 a bit easier.
I'm 5 dungeons in, pretty close to starting the 6th, I imagine, and I STILL use Yukiko's. Longevity goes a long way, and when you're still using Agilao, that's an extra 8 spells that she didn't have without it. Kinda starts lagging behind when you hit -dyne level magics, but if you just have her healing, it extends the Media/Mediarama love for a good while.
The 4th and 5th dungeon weapons are also really useful. One gives a low chance of inflicting ANY status ailment on attack, the other is +5 all stats. Both are very solid attack power/accuracy for when you get them.
As for me, I always spent an extra day after beating the dungeon, usually rainy days as mentioned above, to level some personas for fusion going into the next dungeon.
Kinda funny, if you go back into the 4th dungeon immediately after completing it, the extra boss isn't there yet, but you can still get the extra weapon. Kinda cheese, but really makes doing dungeon 5 a bit easier.
RocketDarkness
Member
Just set myself on the path to the good ending...dear lord, that was a whole lotta cutscene. Not that I mind, because I love this game and it's characters so damn much, but still...lesser games would have bored me to death with that.
I've been using Yukiko all along. She has a good amount of SP, some powerful fire magic and she learns the highest level healing spells.
Right now (middle of November) i use Yukiko, Chie and Naoto. Chie can deal some heavy damage with Power Charge, Naoto has Mind Charge and Megido* spells to deliver some insane group damage (plus no elemental weaknesses) and Yukiko mainly heals. My MC takes care of buffing/debuffing.
Right now (middle of November) i use Yukiko, Chie and Naoto. Chie can deal some heavy damage with Power Charge, Naoto has Mind Charge and Megido* spells to deliver some insane group damage (plus no elemental weaknesses) and Yukiko mainly heals. My MC takes care of buffing/debuffing.
Expert Moders, do you guys actually buy things from Daidara? I've found that I'm constantly broke from re-buying from the Compendium and the occasional Fox-heal that I have to make do with the equipment I have.
Actually, I got (latter-half spoilers)
Actually, I got (latter-half spoilers)
into the November dungeon and I found out that Teddie still had his default armor, "Pretty Suit," and had been wearing it for all that time. No wonder he kept on dying so early!