Wrong bad ending. They're talking about (ENDING SPOILERS)
the one where you give the wrong answers to Sae in the interrogation room, so the protagonist gets shot for real and Game Over.
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Wrong bad ending. They're talking about (ENDING SPOILERS)
my take so far is that atlus's grappling with sexuality comes from a very japanese place and is, for western tastes, very much two steps forward one step back.
that they're even talking about it is amazing. a low bar, but amazing.
that they sabotage themselves constantly is... unfortunately, to be expected. Not to dismiss it, but...
that they're even talking about it is amazing. a low bar, but amazing.
that they sabotage themselves constantly is... unfortunately, to be expected. Not to dismiss it, but...
The first thing that has really bugged me is why I'm friends with
Goro Akechi
He is actively against the Phantom Thieves and none of us trust him. But it just forced his confidant onto me in the Justice arcana?? I mean, I have my suspicions that Goro is probably one of the villains of this game, I feel like he's the one who shoots you in the head when you get a game over, but I dunno. It's just an unnatural confidant
PsihoPerihelion
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Can you take requests in between Targets? I have 2 but I can't get the gang together so we can go through Mementos.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I know this feel.I finally finished it. It's all over and I'm sad to see the characters go.
What a ride that was and definitely worth the 3 year wait but now what? I feel so empty now that it's all over.
11/21ish spoilers
I think they're referring to the one which happens if you sell out your friends to Sae, and she walks out.
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Who in this thread is saying that the game is all about sexual violence?
That was pretty much my main fear going into the game.
P3 and 4 were about learning how to cope with or deal with problems yourself. P5 kinda takes a weird route into "use magic to literally remove the people in your life who are holding you back".
But I said sexual exploitation and violence.
Let's not debate semantics.
My point is there are more female characters that don't suffer those issues than those that do.
You need to do it before loading a save, just press triangle and it'll swap the save to the other language. Then you can just load it up and it'll be English voices.
I died laughing at this.
Still glad I was rich from Mementos grinding otherwise I would have also been annoyed lol
Oh that
I can see people doing that because you trust Sae by that point, I didn't see it as "selling out" but rather cooperating with someone who has a good understanding of my situation. What I don't understand is why revealing the names leads to Joker dying for real. Infact isn't the cutscene exactly the same as when you don't reveal their name? But if you don't reveal their names you get a cutscene later that shows him just sitting there and not dead.
Doesn't make sense, especially when you consider that Sae is your ally by then and becomes aware of who exactly are involved with the Phantom thieves the very same day during the evening.
Doesn't make sense, especially when you consider that Sae is your ally by then and becomes aware of who exactly are involved with the Phantom thieves the very same day during the evening.
Autoignition
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I'm not debating semantics. Literally who in this thread is saying that the game is "all about" exploitation and violence against women? That isn't being said, nor is anyone arguing that most women in the game suffer those issues.
The original post that raised these issues said "so often". So you're correct that no one said all.
11/21ish spoilers
Well, the real problem with doing that is, she got all she wanted from you. There was no reason to stay, and due to that the MC can't tell her to show the phone for the plan to work. If the plan didn't work, then the MC dies for real.
hermitpurple
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11/20 spoilers
That was the most obvious betrayal in the history of obvious betrayals
I thought whoever I quoted was referring to those random gay guys that were harassing Ryuji.
I wasn't referring to Lala.
It's up there, but I wouldn't say all that.
Autoignition
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It is brought up often. Are you saying that it isn't?
So guys if I play Persona 4 or Persona 3 now what should I expect ? I wanna know how similar/dissimilar these games are...I do know the dungeons are randomly generated but I barely saw more than 2 floors of the first dungeon in Persona 3 so I don't know how different they become.
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Sae is absolutely not your friend at that point. She doesn't completely trust you either. She intends for you to be incarcerated at that point, as well as the rest of the Phantom Thieves. So what the protagonist is doing there is sealing the fate of his allies to the police, and diminishing Sae's trust in him as a result because she believed that he would be someone who valued his compatriots. That's obviously the kind of person she is. A leader who would just point his finger at everyone who lead him to that point isn't much different than other criminals who break down that Sae, as a prosecutor, must have dealt with regularly.
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Somebody wasn't paying attention? If you give her the names she just walks out and nothing happens that leads to you being able to survive Akechi killing you. She doesn't tell the guard to take off to save his life, doesn't give Akechi the phone... etc. Plus Akechi would have access to the information she obtained of who the Thieves were and could easily eliminate them.The "bad end" being the exact same as revealing the truth is absolutely brilliant. I spent the entire time going through that thinking I fucked up.
The dungeons in P3/P4 are basically what Mementos is in P5. Otherwise, they are very similar in structure to P5.
I'm currently in the 4th palace with all four equipped, and I feel "invincible" lol
Like whenever I want a big SP recharge, I just stick to physical attacks for a bit.
hermitpurple
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None at all if you're planning on wearing it the entire time
TetraGenesis
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Haven't gotten to Palace 7 yet but, yeah, that's exactly it. They're, like, not even good, original jokes.
It is... so fucking weird. The male characters are never more predatory than in the anime cutscenes. Almost every one has them oogling Ann like idiots. They never do that in the game either so it feels especially dissonant. Like they have to take advantage of how titillating 2D animation can be compared to their in-engine scenes. Problem is, the animation quality isn't on par with the rest of the game (the portraits and what not) or, say, something Trigger would produce, so it's like they didn't even succeed at what they set out to do.
And look at your avatar! Little Witch Academia. A brilliant anime (at least the OVAs, haven't seen the series). Thrilling and fun and hilarious, and it doesn't use fan service at all (thank god -- they're children). Persona could totally have really funny scenes and really dark and dramatic scenes without making the player complicit in their exploitation of the characters.
This is true, I'll give it that much. It at least aims to deliver a very positive protective message, even if it fumbles regularly in the execution.
Finished my first (hard) playthrough last night at 72 hours. I'd say this overtook P4G as my favourite Persona game leading in to the final act. Going to start NG+ tonight, I got to the point where it felt like the story was ending so just started grinding out stats and ignoring Confidants, so still have a lot of new stuff to see. Ended with about 55% compendium completion.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Anime rules: You look 20 until you're 50, when you start to look ancient (or badass and grizzled).
The only realistically middle aged adults are the math teacher and Kamoshida
But still
How does this all lead to Joker dying ? Does she not take Joker's phone and show it to Akechi or what when you make the deal? If she doesn't then I understand why Joker dies but if she does then why does he die?
And ok she isn't my friend at that point but she becomes by friend (if Joker doesn't die) by the same night. She wouldn't have prosecuted all of them over an afternoon. She would've heard the news of Joker's death the same as she does when you don't reveal your friends. Sae already knows Makoto is involved so she wasn't gonna go out prosecuting them as soon as she got out of that room.
And ok she isn't my friend at that point but she becomes by friend (if Joker doesn't die) by the same night. She wouldn't have prosecuted all of them over an afternoon. She would've heard the news of Joker's death the same as she does when you don't reveal your friends. Sae already knows Makoto is involved so she wasn't gonna go out prosecuting them as soon as she got out of that room.
AtomskEater
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I kind of hold a little hope that P6 has a female lead, if only because that might put a damper on the male-gazey moments.
Although it'd probably just be worse. >_<
Sae and Tae don't look like teenagers..especially Sae who could just as well be 30 and look the same and it would still appear plausible (which she should have been considering her position)
The teacher doesn't look middle aged nor does Kamoshida..More like late 20s or early 30s for the teacher and early to late 30s for Kamoshida.
That could still technically make him a twenty-something depending on how old he was. :|
Also in mid-July and think I'm doing pretty good on my stats.
Knowledge: 4 (I went to the cafe a lot during rainy season)
Guts: 3
Charm: 3
Proficiency: 3
Kindness: 2
I thought about this pre-release, but I also felt she couldn't be TOO old considering that couples generally don't have kids that far apart in age. I thought she was late 20s though.
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Sae does not show the phone in the bad ending. How could she? The whole reason she shows the phone in the first place is because the protagonist buys enough time to remember that that's crucial to the plan. That's why there's so much emphasis by his partners, after the fact, that the entire thing revolved around Joker convincing her to do it, and it made everyone nervous. He doesn't do that in the bad ending.
Well, all of this applies after the point where the protagonist gets shot in the head, so the point is kind of moot.
Well, all of this applies after the point where the protagonist gets shot in the head, so the point is kind of moot.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
They're also not middle aged though, they're young adults.
Tae I actually don't know how old she is, but she looks late 20's/early 30's to me.
A lot of the tracks in the game are really good and then you hear Rivers in the Desert and nothing compares to it. Absolutely my favourite.
dont you get it? She has the informations she wanted and will just leave the room with all she needed and wanted to know. And She just as well could have revealed all names but her sister, is that so hard to understand/imagine?
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