Mister_Ruck
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It's not. But one thing you can do is use the auto-weakness thing and it will swap your Persona for free, and that doesn't count against you.
or it could be this actually:
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It's not. But one thing you can do is use the auto-weakness thing and it will swap your Persona for free, and that doesn't count against you.
or it could be this actually:
You can do it on a Baton Pass I believe, but outside of that you only get one Persona change per actual turn.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
And people were doubting Joker as the leader. That and
him going on the lam for a month for his team
You can also hold X as you approach things if you're like me and don't usually like to dash.
What. Joker has so much more of a presence than Yu ever did. Between more battle quips, actually talking in some cutscenes, inner monologues, and having profile art show up on the side (so that he actually has one like everyone else does when they talk), he actually feels like he exists in the party.
Never mind what he does for his team during a few major events in the late game.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Persona 4 is the only Persona game that I've played before, so I don't know how Persona 3 was but I grew tired of how Persona 5 handles its character and plot after the 4th dungeon. I don't mind the game focusing on more serious stuff, but the game spending considerable time on Phantom Thieves while, barley focusing on individual characters, makes the cast a lot weaker for me.
I don't know, maybe we just have different opinions. Though, I do wanna say one thing. The game will become very sluggish and slow later on so it won't be as fast as it is for you right now, and that hurts the game a lot. Mainly because the characters have nothing to say other than talk about Phantom Thieves and that gets old really fast.
Iva Demilcol
Member
You can change it several times but once you attack or use a spell or whatever, you're locked with that persona until your next turn.
Blackquill
Member
I'm kinda disappointed on how Mishima was handled in this game. He is just another one of these guys who is the syndrome of the random teen who gets bullied by everyone in a game / movie / series that talks about bullying but if it's him it's ok. Kinda defeats the purpose...
And also, he is portrayed as a douche, so it's even more okay to trashtalk him. It completely infurriates me because Mishima is clearly closer what is the typical bullied teenager than the beautiful Ann or the muscular Ryuji.
And also, he is portrayed as a douche, so it's even more okay to trashtalk him. It completely infurriates me because Mishima is clearly closer what is the typical bullied teenager than the beautiful Ann or the muscular Ryuji.
You can before the one more turn thing.
To me, Persona is about self-oppression and the crushing expectations of urban society on youths. That's been true since the first Persona. It's what sets it apart from SMT. Persona 3 is the quintessential Persona story all the way through to the ending.
Persona 4 is #NotMyPersona.
legendaryskitch
Member
It's okay even the game calls him a useless npc.
You can change your persona only once per turn BUT you can equip and browse through all of them as many times as you want before using that turn.
So say you get your turn and have Seth equipped by default, you can then instead choose to equip Isis but as soon as you do that you change your mind and decide you want to use Cerberus instead. As long as you didn't use Isis's ability you can swap to Cerberus. Once you use the ability though, you are locked to that persona for that turn as you have swapped once already in that turn.
In Persona 4 if you had one persona equipped and then you select another one but then decide to change your mind the game wouldn't allow you to equip another persona, and as such you have to use the one you have currently equipped.
It is also a MASSIVE help that all your Persona's ability are visible to you by default while you are browsing through them using triangle. You don't need to press an extra button to see what abilities they have...which is what you had to do in Persona 4.
Aaronrules380
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P3 definitely had a better main story than P4 imo and P5 is debatable, especially since I feel like the themes of P5 will hit harder if you're more familiar with Japanese culture (which isn't to say it's not relatable outside of Japanese culture, but more that the themes are heavily influenced by very specific and pervasive bits of Japanese culture that may not always be exactly the same or as extreme overseas) beyond just anime compared to the more universal theme P3 presented. That said the social links in 3 outside the main story were kind of garbage for the most part
I think this game actually makes a good balance between p4 scooby doo shit and p3 crawling in my skin edgyness, the thing that bothered me in p3 was that MEMENTO MORI stuff being shoved in your face anywhere you go, it was depressing and annoying even with the girl MC that had a better personality.
I felt like they borrowed a lot of the good things from other personas besides 3 and 4, the party is still not p2 levels of awesomeness but the characters feel a bit more natural and relatable instead of anime tropes and comedy reliefs. Ryuji is your best bud yet he doesn't feel too much like(the worst side of) junpei like yosuke did, he is no eikichi but it's a massive improvement in party dinamics because he is less creepy than the others... yusuke has a lot of funny scenes but they were all done with some finesse, and futaba is nice so far, they feel like real people i know, like p2 party did, and there is no teddie
My problem with the characters being so natural is that some social links feel boring, i only remember a bit about Ann's for example :/
I'm about to start searching for palace 5, is it really that bad dungeon wise? I'm loving the dungeons in ths game so far
The symbolism is already very clear, personally I would prefer there not be in game dialogue explaining what I can already see.
I liked P3 well enough back in the day but looking back the writing is so cringey it hurts. It's like some teenager took Persona and made a fanfic focusing in it being as dark as possible while slapping a lot of latin words to it to make it sound deep because they just finished watching Evangelion last night.
IMO as far as story goes: P2 duology >>>>> P5 > P4 > P1 = P3
I don't think P1's story is bad or anything, just nothing too exciting but pretty good overall. P3 has some great concepts that are ruined by how edgy it is. P4 is pretty good but not really amazing, just endearing and very entertaining.
I dunno I think they prioritize different things because of the difference in genres and even trying to adjust a couple things Souls-like wouldn't work that well in a turn-based RPG, but may I need to think this up a bit more.
For what is worth, I consider Souls' best the epitome of level design in 3D gaming.
IMO as far as story goes: P2 duology >>>>> P5 > P4 > P1 = P3
I don't think P1's story is bad or anything, just nothing too exciting but pretty good overall. P3 has some great concepts that are ruined by how edgy it is. P4 is pretty good but not really amazing, just endearing and very entertaining.
I dunno I think they prioritize different things because of the difference in genres and even trying to adjust a couple things Souls-like wouldn't work that well in a turn-based RPG, but may I need to think this up a bit more.
For what is worth, I consider Souls' best the epitome of level design in 3D gaming.
His S.Link is definitely worth exploring for that reason.
It's the reason why Mishima becomes so fixated on the Phantom Thieves in the first place because it gives him a chance to be more than just a nobody. Mishima tolerates the bullying because he thinks that's his role in the world and doesn't really get beyond this thinking until the end of his S.Link. I thought it was an interesting spin on the whole "chains of society" theme.
I know P4G like the back of my hand and that is most certainly not the case. Conversations are a lot more direct and personal in 5. In P4, personal connections that don't involve the protagonist are extremely rare. Group conversations in that game are almost always about the case or whatever wacky situation they're currently in. In P5, you have stuff like Yusuke directly asking Ryuji about his past, Ann and Ryuji's conversation in
Hawaii
chew out Ryuji for fucking up
It's def one of those aspects of the writing where they feel the need to explain it to people who might be too dense to figure it out.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
Where Persona 4 remains so strong to me is that every issue they deal with feels realistic. A lot of character issues are standard teenage problems like insecurities, fear of their future, and loneliness. Each social link delves really deeply into those things. Despite P5 doing a really good job in the main story of showing growth and character dynamic, I havent found any slink that hits close to the mark of P4's. The side character slinks have actually trended better than the party for the most part.
Ann ends up my biggest disappointment as she is dealing with something similar to things I went through in high school
Suicide, but her slink falls on its face with its focus on "imma be a strong model for Shizui" in a way that never felt close to believable.
Also I do find the whole "darker" think to be overblown. P4's cast was definitely a more willing to smile at the darkness, but that didnt stop the game from making it hard for them. Yosuke's smile is so forced due to the actions at the beginning of the game, and of course the whole hanged man slink is painful.
P5 has actually been a lot softer with things like (post dungeon 5 spoilers)
Shizui surviving her suicide attempt, and Haru's dad being evil before his death anyway allowing Haru to accept it much easier.
Dougieflesh
Member
Lol Bullet Hail with the Electric Shot or whatever it's called is crazy broken.
chrominance
Member
I kind of feel like Devil Survivor IS Persona Tactics already. Devil Survivor 2 has a less complex social link system, I guess, but otherwise it seems to have all the right components.
Eh, ignoring P5 for a while, I have almost the same opinion, but P3P (Female MC) is my second favorite Persona.
Radical Edward
Member
Yeah, I hear ya. I'm not saying persona games should adopt souls style dungeons. I think it's fair to compare them though, from a basic design/layout perspective .
There has to be a reason why I find them more fun to explore and traverse .
Ironically even though I give it a lot of crap, P5 is making me want to replay P3 in its P3P version, so I'll definitely go for FeMC this time around.
It sounds way less tryhard "dark" and more genuine, so it should be an improvement.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
FeMC's MUCH improved Slinks alone make it far more enjoyable of a route to play
And that is exactly why Persona 3 is the best, because it actually speaks to the teenagers of the day, rather than trying to be a story about teenagers which thinks it is better than them. It's not trying to be deep, I don't know why you would think that, it's simply speaking the language that the Japanese teenager understands.
I took it more as Ryuji himself being the dense one - I think, for a kid like Ryuji who's just having all the cognitive psychology mumbojumboness of the Persona world explained to him, what he says is how I would expect him to react.
The fuck?
Was doing a random persona fusion between 2 level 10 personas to get another for a fusion when a random unskipable scene happens and well...this happened
Bank error in your favor, collect your dick chariot.
The profile art is such a nice touch, the pose goes very well with some one liners. If Yu asks Joker why Joker gets a portrait but he doesn't, Joker would just say "You jelly?"
Aaronrules380
Member
The fuck?
Was doing a random persona fusion between 2 level 10 personas to get another for a fusion when a random unskipable scene happens and well...this happened
Good ol Mara
the best fusion accident lol
I think the text chat adds an entirely new dynamic to the interaction between the characters, it makes it feel like these guys exist outside of cutscenes.
Mara should have been chariot type rather than tower.The fuck?
Was doing a random persona fusion between 2 level 10 personas to get another for a fusion when a random unskipable scene happens and well...this happened
Good ol Mara
The fuck?
Was doing a random persona fusion between 2 level 10 personas to get another for a fusion when a random unskipable scene happens and well...this happened
Good ol Mara
Now that's a fortunate accident.
The fuck?
Was doing a random persona fusion between 2 level 10 personas to get another for a fusion when a random unskipable scene happens and well...this happened
Good ol Mara
Real lucky fusion accident. Only one I got was Thoth 10 levels after he would have been useful.
P3 didn't feel all that edgy to me. Some of the visuals lend itself to this incredibly oppressive experience, but the game itself wasn't all that dark. You're not some guy who sees death and bloodshed constantly, you're a highschool student trying to live every day to the fullest. Granted, there are some embarrassingly bad plot points (Strega), but for the most part it had a good narrative. Stronger than P4s, I feel.
Does anyone else find this game easier than both Persona 3 and Persona 4, even when you're playing on the same or higher difficulty as you did on those games? I might regret saying that when fighting the final boss but so far, every boss has been pretty easy. Also I have done zero grinding at all. I have fused and captured very little personas. I've got about 12 and fused about 13.
Approaching endgame it looks like I'll be 4-5 days short or so of maxing all slinks. Didn't use a guide, I think I went wrong by focusing too much on stats early on when so many of the slinks up them on their own. Unfortunately due to the schedule of some of these guys I may end up with like 4 of them at rank 9. Ah well, that's what NG+ is for....
ShadowSoldier89
Member
LOL Mara has One shot kill and charge!? We going chariot deep
What did people misinterpret that as.....?
I actually liked the exploration better because it saved me a lot of time, p4 always seemed like it took too long to traverse such a small town, with p3 sized maps i feel like it'd take way more time for me to finish it
Wish it had some cutscenes though...
I love p4 but the female route for p3 is so awesome...(but my opinion is biased because i'm a girl and the edgyness of the male mc and his unwillingness to make friends with the male party members made me avoid vanilla p3 at all costs :/)
What was there to misinterpret about Naoto? I remember everybody getting Kanji completely wrong but not Naoto.
Nah this game definitely goes overboard with spelling out the meaning behind why so and so is the way it is. The imagery is often already very unsubtle as it is that it's extra annoying when characters feel the need to spell it out for me anyways.