EVERYBODY SHOULD BUY THIS.
I have a feeling he's probably more into the business side of things now.
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EVERYBODY SHOULD BUY THIS.
I have a feeling he's probably more into the business side of things now.
Lollipop Dave
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Viola of the Abyss
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Project Zero 3 is my least favorite of the series but still an amazingly beautiful game.
That should tell how much I like the series overall
If you haven't had a chance to play it buy it now!
Especially since Halloween is getting closer... >
That should tell how much I like the series overall
If you haven't had a chance to play it buy it now!
Especially since Halloween is getting closer... >
Lollipop Dave
Member
You should be asking, Why Fatal Frame in America. As the PAL title is closer to the Japanese title, which is 'Zero'
Why is it Resident Evil when it should be Biohazard since the games stopped taking place in one residence ages ago?
Cause Copyright bullshit.
cj_iwakura
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Speaking of Kaneko...
I love how ominous Lucifer's army seems here.
And a recent picture!
Rocking the Solomon, I see.
Wow:
Fan art, I'm sure, but pretty great.
I love how ominous Lucifer's army seems here.
And a recent picture!
Rocking the Solomon, I see.
Wow:
Fan art, I'm sure, but pretty great.
Viola of the Abyss
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Why is it Resident Evil when it should be Biohazard since the games stopped taking place in one residence ages ago?
Well, when they decided on the western name I suppose they didn't think about the fact that the following games could have not taken place inside a mansion
I wonder if they ever make a Catherine sequel how they're going to title it...
They should do something similar to 999, where they renamed the series Zero Escape at the second chapter's release and call it Golden Playhouse Act 2 or something.
I really dig this
Like wow, i'm not comparing you to the Persona team, but your core ideas are great and I hope some of them make it into Persona 5...
Lord Scrambles
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I've got a few more
Genji Takeda: Popular kid, and part of the popular "clique" of the school. Full of himself and cocky but defends people who are made fun of. After joining the group, he sees himself as the leader to comedic effects.
- Arcana: Strength
- Starting Persona: Akhenaten
- Ultimate Persona: Aten
- Weapon: Throwing weapons
- Specialty: Fire and Light magic, healing
Hachi Imagawa: Homeschooled. Childhood friend of Ayano. Smart, but acts smarter than she actually is. Deduced the groups activities and subsequently joined them. Hides her social awkwardness with snark and sarcasm
- Arcana: Priestess
- Starting Persona: Persephone
- Ultimate Persona: Nephthys
- Weapon: Javalins
- Specialty: Ice Damage and Dark Magic, Buffs
Still gotta come up with a with a wildcard character like Teddie or Koromaru.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Thanks! You've gotta do one. I want to see what you could come up with.
Heck, everyone should do one. We've got a big wait ahead of us, flex your creative muscles before they cramp!
MrRegularGuy
Banned
They're all more or less good, but I feel like a shy trans kind of goes against the whole Lover Arcana character type, and an Athlete with observational skills would be better suited for initial support and later a combat member... Since he trains, he'd be efficient in fighting shadows.
Not enough waifus. 0/10
Just kidding. Interesting stuff Scrafty. Especially the thing about the dual personalities. I wish more games had traits like that. Does Dio get surgery or something to turn into a girl? Or was Dio always a girl?
I think the only thing I want from a protagonist going forward is someone brutally honest. Velvet Room? Not a secret. The idea of Social Links? Not a secret. Just someone that tells the party members around him things that happen to him being a wild card. Hell, I'd just love to see what would happen to a party member after finding out they were a social link. "So did you help me because you're actually a friend, or for a power boost?"
Of course Persona 4 kind of drove me nuts since no one decides to shove their arm in a TV in front of Dojima.
Of course Persona 4 kind of drove me nuts since no one decides to shove their arm in a TV in front of Dojima.
I think the only thing I want from a protagonist going forward is someone brutally honest. Velvet Room? Not a secret. The idea of Social Links? Not a secret. Just someone that tells the party members around him things that happen to him being a wild card. Hell, I'd just love to see what would happen to a party member after finding out they were a social link. "So did you help me because you're actually a friend, or for a power boost?"
Of course Persona 4 kind of drove me nuts since no one decides to shove their arm in a TV in front of Dojima.
The whole mystery part of the story falls apart when you realize that they could have easily proved the existence of the TV World. Also, (killer spoilers)
their evidence against Adachi wouldn't have held up in court at all if he didn't confess his guilt
ScraftyDevil
Banned
In Tarot, the Lovers Arcana represents a choice between two paths and the forming of relationships, which I thought was appropriate for a transgendered person. Strength represents control and a struggle within the mind, plus I wanted to introduce a unique character who doesn't fill the role you'd expect him to ;P
Thanks, man. I was thinking more HRT for Mio, but I guess surgery might work better in a game that takes place within such a short timeframe.
I've always loved duality as a thematic element, so I included it wherever possible
It's not something that necessarily had to happen in the beginning, but at least when you know what happens.
I also don't really see how the mystery falls apart if Dojima learns about the way the killer is doing things, especially since it'd be practically impossible to bring in others with that knowledge. Not saying they have to tell the entire world, but maybe the guardian of the MC who keeps butting heads with the group because they're keeping him in the dark?
It's just kind of one of things done in a story to deliberately cause conflict that doesn't really need to exist. Those things always drive me nuts.
MrRegularGuy
Banned
Of course Persona 4 kind of drove me nuts since no one decides to shove their arm in a TV in front of Dojima.
That irritated the hell out of me.
Just tell him. Show him some proof, bring him into the TV world with you.. He's a cop, not only would he make a great member of the IT, but he'd kick shadow ass.
Goddamnit Yu. Just stick your hand in the TV. There's one right there. Just do it. I swear to God, you're not getting taken away.
Don't you dare leave
Nanako
GODDAMNIT YU. THERE'S A TV RIGHT THERE. JUST SHOW HIM SOME DAMN PROOF... STICK YOUR HAND IN IT. DON'T EXPLAIN, JUST DO IT RIGHT NOW.
...I must have cried at his stupidity.
Viola of the Abyss
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Of course Persona 4 kind of drove me nuts since no one decides to shove their arm in a TV in front of Dojima.
This is something that bothered me a lot too.
They had proof, it wouldn't have been a problem throwing him into the TV directly if they were afraid of him not believing them.
But if they did so, the whole mistery would have been solved immediately and police would have taken everything in their care, so there wouldn't have been a chance to develop the story at all
buddha0991
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Cool ideas but I'm in the camp that either wants older party members or mixed aged party members
I was ok with the secrecy til this scene happened. Yes, my reactions were very much like yours were, moreso because I had like maxed his link like a few days prior to this.
Not taking him in though, as whether or not someone like him could even attain a Persona is up in the air. Still, could have reinforced the idea if he can't that only people with Personas can actually, ya know, damage shadows.
That the game ends with Dojima still not sure if the case was supernatural was kind of infuriating.
Still if he could have a persona, that shadow would be interesting as shit.
MrRegularGuy
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I was ok with the secrecy til this scene happened. Yes, my reactions were very much like yours were, moreso because I had like maxed his link like a few days prior to this.
Not taking him in though, as whether or not someone like him could even attain a Persona is up in the air. Still, could have reinforced the idea if he can't that only people with Personas can actually, ya know, damage shadows.That the game ends with Dojima still not sure if the case was supernatural was kind of infuriating.
Still if he could have a persona, that shadow would be interesting as shit.
See, now here's the thing.
Chie's shadow appears shortly after she hears something negative... But the rest who were thrown into the TV, how did theirs appear?
My theory is that every person naturally suppresses their shadow, which can only materialise once they've spent a short duration in the TV world, or dark hour... Regardless of where they are or what's happening.
And we know from Dojima's social link, he's riddled with problems. He's still hung up over his wife and doesn't see himself fit to be Nanako's father. The negative emotions he's suppressing are big ones.
So, bring him into the TV, allow his shadow to form, and then stand around doing nothing while it builds up to him saying "you're not me", like it does for every victim... Then beat it. Viola, Dojima has a Persona when he accepts who he is.
If
Adachi
Lord Scrambles
Member
Wishlist it then man!
buddha0991
Member
Eh. Maybe I'll be more indepth some time later today. Not in the mood to truly think right now.
A general outline I was thinking, is that the protagonist could be your typical 2nd year in high school male or female. The gender you do not pick becomes your best friend in the same year as you. Also, a 1st year and a 3rd year are also on your team, so 4 high school aged kids. Then you got two pre teens, two college aged characters, a woman in her late 30's, early 40's. I would make this woman the only cameo character, Maki Sonomura from Persona 1 and 2:
And finally, a badass elderly man.
so in total, two preteens, male and female, four high school students, 2 male 2 female, two college age characters, one 30-40 age female, and one old man.
10 party members
P3/4 Spoilers Ahead:
I don't understand the idea that not everybody can have a Persona as Ikutsuki claims, and besides,
. Sure,
can't materialize a Persona, but that's probably related to the fact that the dude never gets over or confronts his baggage, he just keeps running from it. TBH, how Persona 3 handles Persona materialization doesn't make much sense at all. 'The Potential' sounds more like 'The ability to stop running from your baggage well enough to force a Persona out of you with a fake gun'. Neither of the above mentioned really get anywhere close to confronting their inner demons. Like at all.
Did the Investigation Team just get uber lucky with who got thrown into the TV, resulting in everybody getting a Persona because the stars aligned? Nay I say, everybody has at least one psychological Persona; no reason they can't materialize it if they can come to terms with their Shadow. I believe Dojima could have gotten a Persona.
. And it would have been glorious if he did.
I don't understand the idea that not everybody can have a Persona as Ikutsuki claims, and besides,
you shouldn't take a liar's word
Mitsuru's father
Ikutsuki more or less embraces what I think are his inner demons to the point that they're basically identical. Mitsuru's father has baggage bigger than Japan is wide.
Did the Investigation Team just get uber lucky with who got thrown into the TV, resulting in everybody getting a Persona because the stars aligned? Nay I say, everybody has at least one psychological Persona; no reason they can't materialize it if they can come to terms with their Shadow. I believe Dojima could have gotten a Persona.
He manages to get over some of his baggage thanks to the S-Link and moves on, somewhat. They could have restructured Dojima's S-Link so that you find out about his life throughout the game's plot no matter what you do, and have the start of his S-Link be after he comes to terms with his duties towards Nanako when facing his Shadow. Bam, he has a Persona
buddha0991
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That is something that doesn't really stay consistent with the lore in the series. In Persona 1 and 2, if you played the "Persona" game, you can awaken to a Persona. I think that was due to
Philemon being much stronger in that era, as opposed to his weakened state in the post P2EP era of P3/4
Lord Scrambles
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I think that the TV world is the only way that those without the potential can acquire personas, and not in the traditional P3 way of it materializing under conditions of extreme stress, but in the unorthodox way of facing your shadow.
I guess P3/P4 all boil down to 'Every Persona user is younger than 20, how do we spin it that way?'
I guess P3/P4 all boil down to 'Every Persona user is younger than 20, how do we spin it that way?'
Strega,
Adachi, Namatame.
There's a reason they're the bad guys. Good guy Persona users in 3/4 can't be older than early college students without being bad. And
Namatame
Izanagi.
Which is why I used the age of 30.
But yeah, so far the series has had 3 different ways of acquiring a persona. Persona game of 1 and 2 means they can materialize in the real world with no problems and can even switch Personas(likely thanks to Philemon), 3 they have the potential but don't really overcome issues until their personas ascend(but still require outside stimuli to release on command, otherwise extreme duress is enough), and 4 they confront their issues in front of others and if they accept it they awaken to their personas(no clue if usable in real world at all).
I probably like buddha's idea the best of having differing ages the best. Keep the high school setting, but no reason older people can't be involved(investigator or teacher ideally). Maki would freak me out in a good way.
buddha0991
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Which is why I used the age of 30.
But yeah, so far the series has had 3 different ways of acquiring a persona. Persona game of 1 and 2 means they can materialize in the real world with no problems and can even switch Personas(likely thanks to Philemon), 3 they have the potential but don't really overcome issues until their personas ascend(but still require outside stimuli to release on command, otherwise extreme duress is enough), and 4 they confront their issues in front of others and if they accept it they awaken to their personas(no clue if usable in real world at all).
I probably like buddha's idea the best of having differing ages the best. Keep the high school setting, but no reason older people can't be involved(investigator or teacher ideally). Maki would freak me out in a good way.
Maki is canon wise, probably one of the strongest living Persona users, she would make an ideal return appearance candidate. *thumbs up*
MrRegularGuy
Banned
All this talk of elderly social links, and no cat social links.
It's like you all hate cats.
It's like you all hate cats.
Hey, I'm a kitty owner! :3
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I'm not a huge cat guy, sorry.
I like ferrets though, so I might go add a ferret Social Link to my wishlist.
Lord Scrambles
Member
What about sugar gliders? They're adorable
and scrumptious
Koromaru's S-Link was nice. Some good monologue/option like from that one can help.
Of course the infamous fox S-Link are the one people remembering though lol
Real talk, I hated Koro's slink. It didn't amount to much more than the nightly walks you could take him on in Fes, who cares?
New persona 5 character: Elderly woman, persona is Neko Shogun. Perfect!
LOL, that remind me I hate walking with koro because almost never help me racking S-link point that I need, why most of the time we only get talk to mamoru while he one of easier S-Link out there.. and I hate that dude smiling sprite too.
The police could have started looking for people who could easily access large TVs from the start, therefore catching the culprit much faster. Also,It's not something that necessarily had to happen in the beginning, but at least when you know what happens.
I also don't really see how the mystery falls apart if Dojima learns about the way the killer is doing things, especially since it'd be practically impossible to bring in others with that knowledge. Not saying they have to tell the entire world, but maybe the guardian of the MC who keeps butting heads with the group because they're keeping him in the dark?
It's just kind of one of things done in a story to deliberately cause conflict that doesn't really need to exist. Those things always drive me nuts.
it would have thrown suspicion on Adachi faster since he was the last person to see each victim and both places had televisions.
Possible I guess. I don't see the police force at large believing Dojima though. More likely than not they'd say he was working too hard and remove him from the case too.
Still, considering how disbelieving Dojima is at the end of the game, I hope Japanese cells don't have TVs in them since apparently the TV angle never came up. Otherwise we may get an interesting new character in the next Arena game.
This explains so much.
Possible I guess. I don't see the police force at large believing Dojima though. More likely than not they'd say he was working too hard and remove him from the case too.
Still, considering how disbelieving Dojima is at the end of the game, I hope Japanese cells don't have TVs in them since apparently the TV angle never came up. Otherwise we may get an interesting new character in the next Arena game.
Actually, this brings up a minor thing I really liked about the ending of P4 (killer and ending spoilers):
Adachi gives up. Y'know, in most stories the villain is all "You'll pay for this I'll be back just watch me!", but once Adachi is defeated he seems pretty resigned to his fate. It's a small thing, but I thought it was a nice touch both for Adachi's character and closure in general. Hence why I hope he doesn't show up in Arena unless it's ME taking his form or something.
And cats hate you too.
Ikutsuki isn't the most reliable person to trust, as you noted. It's pretty clear that everyone can summon a Persona in in theory, but being of a sound mind and body to do it is another thing entirely.
I am genuinely curious as to why Takeharu did not have a Persona....
I am genuinely curious as to why Takeharu did not have a Persona....
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