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And Marie, if we throw P4G into the mix. I see a bit of hate for Teddie.
I'm going to kill the perpetrators slowly.
You are very hard to phase.
FTFY ;p
I've seen people hate on Rise, but they just don't know what they're talking about. Maybe it's just Lauren Baliey's performance, but I thought they just knocked it out of the park with her character. All of the expected saccharine glam of a pop star but with tons of unexpected warmth, depth, and likeability.
It's very much like Kanji where I expected a very stereotypical character, but I was consistently surprised with how they handled it.
It's very much like Kanji where I expected a very stereotypical character, but I was consistently surprised with how they handled it.
D: Servbot pls. You're bearly making sense here.
Junpei had better plot device, I'd give you that.
Now you're beary crazy.
I hope you're beary prebeared for the unbearable world of bear puns you'll bearecieve.....
buddha0991
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He is just going to have to bear it.
This is pretty true. It's great that 3 tied the character growth into the plot more, but 4's way of separating the two is equally valid. Just a shame that because of that the first two team mates are shallower because in comparison to 3's because of it.
People who hate Rise just kind of skim the surface of their video game characters. Part of me disliked her endlessly "SENNNNNPAAAAAAAAAAAAI!" behavior, but I can easily see that as kind of her nature anyway, or at least one facet of it.
Kanji is definitely the best out of a very strong cast imo, if only because Naoto joins way too late to interact as much with everyone.
Welcome to self insert characters; people who are the best at everything because you control them.
I don't like Rise because I've never been a fan of the idol characters in any form of media. They always annoy me and Rise is no exceptions. Her constant "SENNNPAAAIIII"s are annoying as fuck, especially in Japanese. Mellowed out Rise in her social link and before her shadow is great. I guess I don't like Risette, but I'm okay with Rise.
Also Kanji is the best character in the game. I thought this was fact.
.....what? I'm about to go bearzerk over here.
It's a grizzly situation to be in, but it's paws-ible he could change his tune and stop this bearrage of puns.
Also, Junpei's womanizing = Rise's fawning. They're annoying, but eventually endearing (or at least bearable, no pun intended) once you get to know the characters on a deeper level. Everyone has their annoying quirks. Just part of life. I get why people don't like it though. I was just personally surprised at how well they handled the characters past their stereotypes.
Also, I'll definitely be first to admit that Lauren's performance did wonders for the character compared to the japanese version. That being said, I found a surprising amount of warmth in the japanese version too, so it's in the writing as well.
If that's your take away you weren't paying attention. Kanji has one of the most profound arcs in the game.
buddha0991
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Im a much bigger fan of flawed, believable characters.
He plays tough even though he has a soft side and some sexual questions? That's all I took from it. I'm only at social rank 6 though.
Same for me actually. Flawed characters are fun to watch and play ass. Perfect characters are okay to play as, but horrible to watch.
A boy who is into things that most people consider feminine. People make fun of him for it for so long, he starts forcing himself to be something he's not. His insecurities get so big that he starts getting sexually confused. Kanji is a surprisingly complex character, which makes him great.
Perfect characters are okay to play as but fun to watch as they break down eventually.
I wonder if he would have actually been sexually confused if it wasn't for Naoto entering the picture. Then again, because of his hobbies and people ridiculing him for them, it probably was a "last straw" thing anyway if he wasn't already questioning it. Hear something from others long enough I guess.
And no, this wasn't really social link stuff but confronting his shadow stuff. Social link, the parts after you've seen apparently, add even more complications to the mix.
Plus I think he broke some of the "thug with a heart of gold" tropes, or at least excelled at it so much that it didn't matter. This, once again, could be attributed to his voice acting, which I think gave him an interesting edge.
I'd say finish his social link. There's some interesting reasoning around why he acts the way he does, but I like that he admits that it's not the sole reason and it doesn't control his life. The last few conversations with him are really good.
I always saw that as the catalyst to why his shadow behaved the way it did and why his dungeon was as it was. I always felt that, while the shadows came out of a long-standing insecurity, they took the form of an immediate catalyst. It also makes sense when you figure that the shadows are amplified by current rumors due to the fact that they showed up on TV. Yukiko's came from taking over for her mother, Chie's from having to save Yukiko, Kanji's from meeting Naoto, Rise's from retiring, and Naoto's from the inaba police not taking her seriously. They're long standing issues, but brought to the surface by recent events.
This is further proven by the fact that the shadow's appearance is superficial and misleading. All of them make the player (and the victim) think that their problem is something else, where in reality it's something much deeper. Kanji's immediate question is "am I really gay like people think?", and his shadow torments this immediate fear. But upon beating the shadow, it reveals that all he wanted was to be acknowledged as a man, whatever his tastes were. Yukiko's is a princess because the immediate rumor surrounding her is that she's forced into being an heir to the inn. But being the heir to the inn is not what she actually fears. Not having control of her life is the true, long standing issue.
Then what are you even talking about? You haven't finished his story, so how are you saying he's pointless after it's completed? You haven't completed it.
Yosuke's isn't less complex than Junpei , I'd give you Chie but Yosuke growth is very nice to see.. Dude's antention seeker, found Senpai that he admired killed etc.
Without have phase "Sigh.. my life is boring" OK let give him girlfriend. I like what they doing to Yukari more, despite of course Junpei is much more likeable character.. But her growth process much more subtle and not forced.. I'll like Junpei's material more if not feel like too tied with that one process.
My least liked character in P3 maybe is Mitsuru.
False.
But some perfect characters never break down, which makes them terrible characters. They start perfect and only get more perfect as time goes on. Kirito from the anime "Sword Art Online" is a perfect example of this.
Yukiko was the first girl I romanced in P4 on the PS2. Her design is the best of the girls imo. Her personality leaves much to be desired though.
Chie started off as my favorite P4 girl, because I like spunky types, but I think as time went on I started to prefer Rise because I felt like she had a bit more to her personality. Honestly, I have a hard time rating the P4 cast, they're all pretty even for me.
That said:
Kanji > Everyone else
That said:
Kanji > Everyone else
Kirito is actually pretty well developed in the original story arc for Sword Art Online. Especially after the inclusion of several side stories (The Red Nose Reindeer, The Day After, etc) and during the fight with The Gleam Eyes.
The only time he goes into perfect character/Mary Sue mode is the Fairy Dance story arc. Which is widely regarded as the worst story arc. Especially compared to some of the stuff that comes after it, like Mother's Rosario.
I tend to discount protagonists who are generally meant to be an avatar for the player themselves. Adding them into the conversation just isn't far unless they have extensive characterization; Narukami as he existed in the anime for example.
I agree, and this actually almost feels like a bizarre flaw to me. Everyone is so good that nobody stands out.
In P3, Yukari and Junpei are the obvious best characters, but in P4, I like Yosuke the most and Yukiko the least. Everyone else? No idea.
Narukami in the anime was pretty fantastic. Hopefully Makoto gets similar treatment.
I'm still not fond of Kirito considering the shit he pulled at the end of the SAO arc. The side stories did flesh him out a bit, especially the Christmas one. The side stories also introduced even more girls that fell for him for little to no reason though. :/ You read the novels?
Yeah, I loved the first half of SWO, then it gets derpy. Meh.
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I'd also like to point out that the anime adaptation of Sword Art Online kinda sucks too. Episode 2 and Episode 3 were adaptations from short stories in the novel and were both badly butchered in the anime adaptation. Virtually every subplot from Episode 2 was missing, which ruined a lot of Kirito's development, and the only redeeming quality Episode 3 has is Saori Hayami's voice acting.
Already they're showing elements of character for Makoto (note how he reacts to his parents death in the trailer), so I have high hopes in this regard. It's the same scriptwriter but with a competent director this time.
In regards to SAO, yeah I've read the novels. A lot of Kirito's character development makes more sense when you realize
that he suffers from Post-traumatic stress disorder, and compensates for "re-experiencing" by acting suicidal. Hence: His actions after Sachi died, when The Gleam Eyes killed a few people, and his reasoning before fighting Kayaba Akihiko.
And here I thought anime butchering an already existing story was a thing of the past, sigh.
You really should give it a chance. It's a damn shame the EU version has some bugs, but if there's patch you have no reason not to. DS:O is definitely one of the best SMT games available. It has a great story, fantastic characters and fun/addictive gameplay that makes it easy to replay through. Difficulty wise, no boss is insurmountable. Grinding isn't even necessary post-Beldr, you just need to abuse their weaknesses and have the right demon set up.
As an aside, I could have sworn Naoto was your favorite P4 character! I'm legitimately surprised that you like Yosuke the most.
So X > Y therefore Y = poor?
So X > Y therefore Y = poor?
The power of the Junpei Zone! Logic need not apply here!
Ha. I wish. Lots of adaptations suffer because they're compensating for only having one cour/season. A good example of this is Zetman, in which they crammed a show that deserved 26 episodes or more into 13 episodes. Effectively jumping over entire story arcs.
The overall story of SAO is the same more or less, but individual side stories suffered pretty badly. Basically if it was adopted from Volume 1 (Aincard), or Volumes 3/4 (Fairy Dance) it wasn't too badly butchered. But if it was from Volume 2 (Aincard sidestories) or anywhere else, it got ruined.
...Is there a new trailer out that shows him reacting to his parents death? I don't remember that in the trailer I watched (the one shown at the concert).
It's a very short scene at the start of that trailer.
Oh, I see it now. He doesn't really react to it though, so I don't see what your saying.
He doesn't seem to care about a shadow attacking him through the window though.
We need someone in PersonaGAF who lives in Japan to see the movie and tell us how it was. Although, we'll probably be too busy talking about the 11.24 event to care.
I don't think the site is for the film, but yeah, I definitely think the two are connected.
Naoto has one of my favourite designs, and a really interesting back story, but her personality is pretty bland. I like her, but she isn't my favourite character.
buddha0991
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I love how Yuri Lowenthal's only role in Devil Survivor Overclocked so far is to be the random Shomonkai member that randomly gets iced in the second battle.
TurnipFritters
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did some1 say yasuda
did some1 say yasuda
Pls no
buddha0991
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did some1 say yasuda
you forgot that weird like slit in the clothes on one boob he tends to do for some reason
did some1 say yasuda
What's a Yasuda?
Yeah, it kinda does. I have mixed feelings about Kaneko's art. He's really good at making characters and creatures that have this sort of exotics alien-ness to them, but when he tries to draw more normal characters (like in P2), he still draws them with that alien-ness and it's just kind of creepy. Also super pale people.
TurnipFritters
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the character artist for persona 5
I think it's really neat to see how differently the three artists portray Maya. It says a lot about each artist.
His style from P2 onwards is very cold and vacant. I think it's great. Very unique.
Anime is often very... positive looking. Lots of smiling people and bright colours. Kaneko really breaks away from that kind of thing.
His style from P2 onwards is very cold and vacant. I think it's great. Very unique.
Anime is often very... positive looking. Lots of smiling people and bright colours. Kaneko really breaks away from that kind of thing.
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