He's not, KLK is directed by Imaishi. Don't know what Yoshinari does on KLK, tho. Too bad no one ever translates credits. >.>
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He's not, KLK is directed by Imaishi. Don't know what Yoshinari does on KLK, tho. Too bad no one ever translates credits. >.>
Lollipop Dave
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Then I have no idea what they mean by the update then.
Oh wait, maybe instead of working on the project he should work for them instead. I'm so confused. Still, cool pic.
Oh wait, maybe instead of working on the project he should work for them instead. I'm so confused. Still, cool pic.
Lollipop Dave
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Then I have no idea what they mean by the update then.
Oh wait, maybe instead of working on the project he should work for them instead. I'm so confused. Still, cool pic.
Check my link above, he does the set designs.
Then I have no idea what they mean by the update then.
Oh wait, maybe instead of working on the project he should work for them instead. I'm so confused. Still, cool pic.
Director Yoshinari is the director for LWA and does set design for KLK, apparently. So they're saying instead of drawing LWA stuff he should get back to work on KLK.
How aboutJintorwe come up with an ace attorney + persona crossover.
I'm down, especially considering that (vague final case spoilers for 5)
Nyarlathotep is already in the game.
That memento mori shirt is cool, nice.
I genuinely believe that it is going to be on ps4/xbone. It was stated that they made their own game engine. They would be crazy to develop new technology at the very end of the current consoles lifespan. Making an entire game engine which we can assume is capable of Catherine levels of graphical quality is probably expensive. There is no reason to develop it only to use it for Persona 5, and maybe something else, before the current generation is over. Especially since they could just use some existing technology and probably save a whole lot of money. There is also that Sony slide that had Atlus listed as a PS4 partner of some sort.
Well, at least I hope it is this way, of course I could be wrong in my assumptions about cost and effort. In any case, during the PS2 era they pushed out a lot off really good games which I assume were all based on the Nocturne engine (They all have problems with shadows when you run them i pcsx2, at least a while ago, so probably the same code). I would like to see a return to that. Can you imagine half a dozen nice looking SMT games on ps4/xbone over the next 10 years?
Crazy like releasing a PS2 game in 2008 was? 
And it's likely (in my mind, at least) that whatever engine/tool-set they're using for Persona will extend to every subsequent console release they make from that point on. Atlus isn't very financially ambitious. They'll probably shoot for the lowest common denominator in terms of "HD" and port up from there, not the other way around.
I expect a PS3/360 release and hope for Vita, essentially.
And it's likely (in my mind, at least) that whatever engine/tool-set they're using for Persona will extend to every subsequent console release they make from that point on. Atlus isn't very financially ambitious. They'll probably shoot for the lowest common denominator in terms of "HD" and port up from there, not the other way around.
I expect a PS3/360 release and hope for Vita, essentially.
I think whichever it is, it's being released next year. Keep that in mind when you think what system it's out on. A PS4 means Sony helped a bit to get them up and running. I'd love to think that Sony cares that much about the brand, but yeah...
PS3 is the most likely outcome, maybe with Vita a possibility at launch/later with cross save in. I'd be shocked to see it on 360 or Xbox One just based on how poorly Arena sold.
PS3 is the most likely outcome, maybe with Vita a possibility at launch/later with cross save in. I'd be shocked to see it on 360 or Xbox One just based on how poorly Arena sold.
I like the Thanatos one. Not so big on the color of the orpheus/MC one though.
Also, when were the PS4 devkits first going around?
Lollipop Dave
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But... Imaishi is. It has Imaishi all over it.
I think people are confused. Yoh Yoshinori is director of LWA and the yet-to-be-released LWA2, but roles in animation studios aren't static or fixed. A director or producer or key animator in one production might be anything else in another. As was previously stated, Yoshinori is responsible for set design in KLK, but he's also director of LWA2 (and production hasn't really started on that due to KLK). Imaishi is directing KLK, and I believe he was credited as producer on LWA.
But this is different, all of the Atlus games during the PS2 era were made in the same engine (presumably). So needless to say they got a lot of use out of their investment.Crazy like releasing a PS2 game in 2008 was?
Every subsequent console release they make from that point on won't be all that many games if persona 5 is the first game, and it is released in 2014 on ps3. If it was released on ps4 however... Well, in any case, less than a month until we know for sure, I hope.
I don't follow. If Persona 5 is released on lower-spec hardware at lower costs (as HD development is expensive) on the PS3, I don't understand how a later up-port of the game and the engine to PS4 is less practical to a financially conscious development pipeline. Essentially, what I'm saying is that Atlus will develop their 'HD' toolkit for the lowest common denominator (being the PS3/360) and they can continue to use that toolkit throughout the next generation as well, assuming they go there at all within a reasonably quick period of time.
I didn't realize how quickly one could mash the enter key. It's a good thing I decided to close the blinds to the outside world. The moment I got to that *one* scene in Saya, I knew it was time to destroy my enter key. This is a game I'll probably play when everyone else is asleep.
Konami's Fox Engine is a current gen engine. From made a new engine for Dark Souls 2. They don't really care. Not to mention development on P5 started in 2010. You think Atlus was deciding on next gen development back then when they were still supporting the PS2 up till 2008?
Since this is Atlus they may support current gen consoles even after P5.
cj_iwakura
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I think it'll be PS3/360. This is Atlus. They stick with last gen forever and a day, and I wouldn't have it any other way. They like to reach as many people as possible, and they only managed one game out of that era.
Looking forward to watching KLK, need to find out if it really is this transcendent female empowerment deconstruction of the male gaze masterpiece I've been hearing about....Or if people just don't like to admit they like something trashy.
I wouldn't go that far, but it's pretty well written. The show uses sexuality in a lot of its designs and humor, but because the show is completely over the top nothing seems out of place. Think along the line of Bayonetta, if you need a reference.
Looking forward to watching KLK, need to find out if it really is this transcendent female empowerment deconstruction of the male gaze masterpiece I've been hearing about....Or if people just don't like to admit they like something trashy.
It's pretty clever with its dialogue at times, but it is beholden to a lot of things that LWA seemingly rejected. I still really do like a lot as I said and I'm happy Trigger's getting work, but it's a little ironic that this is their first major project. Says a lot about the current state of anime, I think.
Note: Trashy does not badly written.
I'd argue otherwise. Just because something has overt sexual overtones doesn't make it "trashy," "tasteless," "sexist," or whatever other negative term you choose to throw at it. Subject matter, whatever it may be, should almost never be criticized. Execution is everything.
This is something that sticks in my craw, but I won't clog the thread with it. So I digress.
Actually there are -Lot's- of works of media that are really well written that are incredibly racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.(especially the farther back in history you go) Even right down the the technical proficiency of the writing is take into consideration.
Also, I didn't say anything about KLK--I just have a feeling people are overselling it.(maybe)
Go watch and behold the glory that is Mako.
cj_iwakura
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You have to know what you're getting into with shows like those. If I watch a show made by that guy, I expect there'll be over-the-top action and ridiculous fan service(though so far KLK is definitely equal opportunity).
If I watch a Yoshitoshi ABe show, I expect something more down to earth, if thought provoking.
Losing Ryutaro Nakamura was a grave blow.
If I watch a Yoshitoshi ABe show, I expect something more down to earth, if thought provoking.
Losing Ryutaro Nakamura was a grave blow.
It tends to happen with the more popular shows of the anime season. I think people just feel the need to evangelize for the medium. (And sometimes for good reason.)
Also Yoshitoshi is the best japanese name ever.
I think we're talking about separate things. Something that actually aims to be discriminatory as its subject matter is, of course, discriminatory regardless of how it's actually written. However, these things are pretty rare nowadays, and things that people get in an uproar over nowadays are more a case of lazy/bad writing than actively seeking to oppress a given subset of people.
Sorry if I came across as angry at you, also. Like I said, this is just something that bugs me.
I can understand what you mean. The animation is wacky and great, but it seems to be blown out of proportion. It's a fun anime for sure but it's understandable if the tacky fanservice makes you want to not watch it. It's the same reason I don't force Bayonetta or Madoka on people. If people feel uncomfortable watching it, I can understand why.
You know, I've been very disconnected from anime in the post-Toonami death/rebirth era. The animes that I like that and didn't discover through that are far and few between.
But I do think LWA is completely deserving of the praise it's received. That's 26 minutes worth of the kind of quality anime we deserve.
Speaking of, I took one look at the cases that the blu-rays came packed in and regretted so hard getting in on that LWA2 KS when I had the chance.
Oh, they must be gorgeous! Pics?
I saw it in the OT in the OT. I'll quote the relevant post:
The Blu-ray arrived today, it's real purrdy.
There's also a separate booklet with English translations for all of the interviews in the art book. So good!
That's awesome. I love this stuff.
In an alternate dimension, LWA has two 26-episode seasons.
Of course intent should be taken into consideration, but even if a writer isn't intending to be bigoted--doesn't mean they can't be passively. That's the really ugly thing with bigotry in general.
You didn't come across as angry, communicating what I'm getting at is kind of tricky right now.
To clarify once again: I am not saying any of this applies to Kill La Kill. I have not seen it.
I'm not accusing KLK of anything, more just wondering if some of the claims I'm seeing about it being really subversive have any merit to them.
buddha0991
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that thing dantis didnt watch is pretty good!
We should try to get him to watch it!
buddha0991
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Do you not know Dantis that well?
I thought we got over this months ago -_-;
I'm not even talking necessarily about intent. Intent when it comes to media is largely kind of irrelevant. What you aim to say in a piece and what the observer takes away from it do not always overlap. Though this isn't to say there aren't steps one can take when making media to make your intent much more apparent.
I guess what I'm getting at is that what happens in most popular media is different from actual bigotry. Now, bigotry of all sorts is still a very real problem in society -- but I'm not sure I'm willing to buy that just because a female character in an anime or game is showing skin that it's sexist or contributing to the oppression of women, especially in one that frames it properly with its writing and tone. It's just so... toothless, I guess. I just don't think it's quite the same thing. I'm not even going to say that it's a better or worse phenomenon, just different. And that's even disregarding the fact of the weird hangups people have about sex and nudity, especially in the US.
Representation of women and minorities is a really tricky thing to talk about in general. It's already a complex social issue to begin with, but it only gets even more complicated once you add people's emotional reactions to the mix.
Fake Edit: This is also why I digressed earlier. This post was much longer than I initially intended.
Real Edit: Not happy with this post upon rereading it, added a bit more nuance. Still not happy with it. Oh well.
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