I keep thinking that Persona Q reminds me of Scooby Doo when I sound it out in my head. Maybe that was on purpose?
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I keep thinking that Persona Q reminds me of Scooby Doo when I sound it out in my head. Maybe that was on purpose?
I'd wager it's an issue of respect as Buddha said. Hashino not wanting to mess with character he didn't have anything to do with, or something like that. If it was something more nefarious we wouldn't have gotten the PSP remakes, unless it's because they weren't happy with how those performed.
Samurai_Heart
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Ah okay, thanks lol
That would make sense. Then again, they made a whole new EP scenario despite the fact that they were not involved with the original game. Maybe it's different when it comes to the game itself and depictions of those characters and the story outside the sole context of "P2 game."
I think it has something to do with scenario/story writer Satomi Tadashi. He came back to write the new EP scenario, which is why it fits in so well with EP's story.
buddha0991
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They got the original Persona 1/2 story guy, Satomi Tadashi, to come in and write that stuff though.
RecursiveFault
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That wiggly logo looks like Scooby Doo.
cj_iwakura
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I think he's involved. Why don't they have Satomi Tadashi do it, I can only wonder.
Maybe he doesn't like the direction of P3/P4. I've always gathered that Kaneko doesn't dig it either, but he respects that Persona is for a different audience now.
Yuichiro Tanaka is current scenario writer for P3/P4. Akira Kawasaki was also credited for P4.
Yuichiro Tanaka also worked on Nocturne and Devil Survivor, although I do not know what roles. Akira Kawasaki worked on Persona 4 and Persona 4 Arena for Scenario.
buddha0991
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I never felt that Kaneko had any ill blood towards the current Persona series, just that he doesn't feel that his art fits the series, and didn't he hand pick Soejima to continue it?
Satomi Tadashi, dunno about him.
Poetic.Injustice
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Tadashi was canned because of the Tadashi/Tamaki pairing. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
cj_iwakura
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I wouldn't say ill blood, just that like you said, it doesn't suit his work any longer.
Also, it was his and Okada's baby. With Okada gone...
Why DID he leave Atlus anyway?
Uh, what?
I'm not entirely sure what Dai is talking about, but the character Tadashi is based off the scenario writer.
Perfection
cj_iwakura
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Yeah, I know that. He's the grandson of the pharmacy owner, with the same name.
Tamaki is his GF. Maybe Atlus wasn't fond of that, internally?
buddha0991
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Okada left Atlus due to the original Nocturne's apparent failure, so I heard. Wasn't Maniax more popular in japan?
Atlus didn't care about the Tamaki thing, but some hardcore fans sure got PISSED back in the day, and Satomi Tadashi wrote his own character out of the game lol.
Atlus didn't care about the Tamaki thing, but some hardcore fans sure got PISSED back in the day, and Satomi Tadashi wrote his own character out of the game lol.
cj_iwakura
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That's ridiculous. I find that almost impossible to believe.
Geez, were SMT If fans that hung up on their devil summoning waifu? The more things change...
Absolutely not.
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...I'm going to get them and feel terrible for buying into it. -__-;
These discussions always leave more questions than answers. Game studios and development are a crazy mystery if there ever was one.
I'm sure it's probably apocryphal. Lots of other members of Atlus staff have their own insert characters in P2.
(I was going to say this in my previous post, but I had to cut it off due to obtaining a pizza from the oven.
)Man, Okada sure made a mistake leaving. Espcially compared to what he did after.
Is it so hard to believe? Your reply is so ironic, CJ. Didn't Tadashi create Tamaki? Then he puts himself in a relationship with her in his own fiction?
Might not be grounds for firing, but it's pretty damn creepy.
Late to the reply, but then that totally explains it. It's kinda sad, but this explanation about respect makes it somewhat understandable.
Kinda like the situation with Igor's VA.
It hits a lot of the same notes that makes P3/P4 great and the overall story is fantastic, but the gameplay is pretty bad.
Speaking of which, all of you dudes/dudettes that have played and beaten P2:IS... I think it might be best to watch an EP playthrough instead of playing through it. You don't miss out on much (besides the optional dialogue) and honestly at this point, it's understandable that nobody has the time or drive to power through EP. I'm saying this because EP's story is great, and nobody should miss out on it.
And I really want to talk about the story ;_;
IS's narrative is only a fraction of as great as EPs imo.
cj_iwakura
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Nocturne was a failure? That saddens me, but Maniacs is definitely a more complete experience. I can't picture it without the Fiends.
He made Folklore, so there's that.
cj_iwakura
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Exactly. Not grounds for firing.
I'm sure it's probably apocryphal. Lots of other members of Atlus staff have their own insert characters in P2.
(I was going to say this in my previous post, but I had to cut it off due to obtaining a pizza from the oven.
Not quite in the same way, they're mostly just random shopkeeper-type NPCs.
Anyhow, he's not at Atlus anymore. His last credited game was Folklore for the PS3. It seems he was credited on DDS1+2, but I don't know for what.
cj_iwakura
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He was involved in the original scenario for DDS1, but it got made after he left, I think.
I bet Okada and Kaneko still get wasted together on weekends!
I have no idea if he left over Nocturne, but it didn't do too hot in Japan initially. Which is incredible to think about given it's cult classic status outside of Japan.
As for Okada, he made a new company (Gaia) which made a few games, then closed. there's also Folklore for the PS3, which I haven't played so I can't comment on.
cj_iwakura
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Folklore is wonderful. You'd love it. It's the closest thing to a Changeling: The Lost RPG we'll probably ever get. It's got a deliciously somber occult/European vibe.
cj_iwakura
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He's the writer. It's creepy, but it is what it is. Tadashi has, what, 20 lines in the entire game? It's not like he rewrote the Kuzunohas to be mass murderers.
I'll check for it at my local rental place should I come across. I've heard good things, but I'm not too keen on spending money on yet ANOTHER game right now.
All this discussion makes me wish we had a book on Atlus. I know I said something before, but it's really amazing how much of the company is a mystery.
Poetic.Injustice
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Where is Okada now?
The story for DDS was changed somewhat after he left too. iirc, Gale didn't exist in the original draft, he was added in later; I was pretty surprised when I heard this considering how well he fits in the game's narrative, unlike some other megaten characters I know (coughKorocough).
With Gaia going under, he's been MIA.
cj_iwakura
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He's ghost writing Raidou 3 with Kaneko.
buddha0991
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It is not a big deal. It was played up for laughs. He also has the dad character also named Satomi Tadashi, and the 5/6 Satomi Tadashi sisters. Also, Soejima, Kaneko, and... I think there was another one, were also characters in P2.
Way more. The driver that hit Anna Yoshizaka in P2 is
cj_iwakura
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Yeah, and Tamaki clearly wears the pants in that relationship. (Literally AND figuratively.)
Soejima's the bartender at Clair de Lune, Kaneko's the Demon Artist... not sure about anyone else.
My man, EP punishments final act? Rivals P3's IMO. sure, the gameplay is dated, but the more i think back on the story, that more i love it. Wish it got a remake with overhauled mechanics.
Enemies on screen instead of random encounters ( the RE rate was oh my GOD annoying in IS.)
Make it so that the battles work similar to P3/P4.
keep the negotiating, but make it varied and less of a chore.
Poetic.Injustice
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I like this better. :lol
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