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Persona Community Thread |OT5| Pull up a chair! [NO PQ OR P4U SPOILERS!]
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I spent the day thinking about how Soejima conceived Yosuke as a pretty boy. I never really got that sense at all!
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Yosuke: I'm good looking and pretty likable right?
Yu: That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think?
Chie: I mean, ya, you're good looking enough to at least get them to hang out with you, but I don't know if it's enough for people to ignore all your flaws.
Yukiko: Is that even possible Chie? To be so good looking that someone could actually overlook Yosuke... being Yosuke?
Yosuke: (pained expression)
Yukiko: Oh, no offense!
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Yosuke: I'm good looking and pretty likable right?
Yu: That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think?
Chie: I mean, ya, you're good looking enough to at least get them to hang out with you, but I don't know if it's enough for people to ignore all your flaws.
Yukiko: Is that even possible Chie? To be so good looking that someone could actually overlook Yosuke... being Yosuke?
Yosuke: (pained expression)
Yukiko: Oh, no offense!
SpacePirate Ridley
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I think a bunch of female NPCs talk just about that during the whole game. That he is a pretty boy until he opens his mouth.
Poor Yosuke.
Green Mamba
Member
I liked the comments in the design notes of Yosuke that Soejima was told to make Yosuke handsome "unlike Junpei" and how much that confused Soejima.
Also Yosuke was designed to be so close to Junpei in characterization that many in the design team just called him "Junpei" even after he had a given name.
Also Yosuke was designed to be so close to Junpei in characterization that many in the design team just called him "Junpei" even after he had a given name.
ScraftyDevil
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Well hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Haha! What's the source on this?
hipsterpants
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If Yosuke was supposed to be "handsome" he shouldn't have been given Tidus hair.
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SpacePirate Ridley
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Lol Soejima.
One is going to become bald, the other no! That's enough to know who is the pretty boy of the two.
It's funny knowing Soejima thinks Junpei is good looking. He is pretty normal looking, I know that when you designing a normal guy or girl in anime style they often come out more pretty than they have to, but I think Junpei came out pretty normal.
Isn't that type of hair equal pretty in japan? It's not that bad looking for the rest of the world either.
One is going to become bald, the other no! That's enough to know who is the pretty boy of the two.
It's funny knowing Soejima thinks Junpei is good looking. He is pretty normal looking, I know that when you designing a normal guy or girl in anime style they often come out more pretty than they have to, but I think Junpei came out pretty normal.
Isn't that type of hair equal pretty in japan? It's not that bad looking for the rest of the world either.
SloaneRisette
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So Junpei is canonically ugly? Wow...
Hot Coldman
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not even remotely successful in this regard
SloaneRisette
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To be fair I did have to pee while playing the beginning of Persona 4.
hipsterpants
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Maybe they expected the players to also be colossal idiots and/or occasional creeps/homophobes.
buddha0991
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I don't think Yosuke is a homophobe, I just think he is an idiot.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Just like Ulala.
Hot Coldman
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Oh, I know. And given that everything up until you rescue Kanji is mostly screaming at the TV because no-one is connecting the super fucking obvious dots, I say they absolutely failed
SloaneRisette
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Ljrivarola
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This to the nth degree
"Well, you do seem great with your hands-- uh, never mind."
Red The Hunter
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Hey guys Happy Mother's d-
O_O
And speaking of Demi-Fiend and Nocturne
He teaches you that you can't just coast through this game quite as easily as other RPGs, making you need to take use of buffs and debuffs seriously. SMT in my opinon is the only RPG series to make buffing and debuffing useful.
Though there are a few bosses that are quite dumb in this game like this one....
O_O
I don't know whether to be amused by it for sheer silliness or to be scraed by how Sailor Demi-Fiend is looking at me.
That is one hell of a scary Christmas Cake
And speaking of Demi-Fiend and Nocturne
He teaches you that you can't just coast through this game quite as easily as other RPGs, making you need to take use of buffs and debuffs seriously. SMT in my opinon is the only RPG series to make buffing and debuffing useful.
Though there are a few bosses that are quite dumb in this game like this one....
Miriam Webster said:
For a good portion of that story, Yosuke is a text book homophobe. I like the character and he grows out of it, but I think it disrespects the experience of others to keep going "he's just an idiot". You're making it a semantic argument. It's not.
He doesn't stay that way, but again, for a portion of that story, Yosuke is quite definitively homophobic. He hits 2/3 in that Webster quote.
hipsterpants
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Just wrecked the matador. Got a persona immune to force and had 90mp + media... Also discovered the item menu in combat. That was rather helpful.
SloaneRisette
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PersonaGAF is about to have the "Is Yosuke a homophobe or not" argument
Get to the bunkers
Get to the bunkers
Yeah, you're completely right. I hate to admit it, but for the longest time I was under the impression that the term strictly applied to overt bigotry.
They're coming. Run.
There shouldn't be an argument as there is nothing to question. We all like Persona, so I can only hope we can be receptive to criticism of it from within.
But don't worry, I stated my peace. If someone's gonna argue Miriam Webster has it wrong and/or that Yosuke doesn't exemplify homophobia for at least the opening fourth of P4s story, than there's nothing else I can say.
Hot Coldman
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I say "yes" and I'm the authority on everything ever so that's that.
But like most discrimination, I think it really only matters if it's coming from a place of hate, not a place of ignorance. At least that's how I categorize it. Hence why I don't really find him homophobic even though he technically fits the definition of it. Yosuke's homophobic tendencies are clearly coming from ignorance rather than hate. He isn't "I hate gays", more like "I don't understand them so I'll say rude jokes about them." Shit like that runs rampant in teens or at least the ones I grew up with, so that's why I just call Yosuke an idiot or ignorant, rather than homophobe.
Well shit. Nipped that in the bud.
TurnipFritters
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Yosuke: He's basically The Worst
But like most discrimination, I think it really only matters if it's coming from a place of hate, not a place of ignorance. At least that's how I categorize it. Hence why I don't really find him homophobic even though he technically fits the definition of it. Yosuke's homophobic tendencies are clearly coming from ignorance rather than hate. He isn't "I hate gays", more like "I don't understand them so I'll say rude jokes about them." Shit like that runs rampant in teens or at least the ones I grew up with, so that's why I just call Yosuke an idiot or ignorant, rather than homophobe.
Well shit.
I hate to do this but... you could very well apply that very same reasoning to racism. Wouldn't you call someone who has ignorant/idiotic views towards a specific race, racist? It's kind of a the same thing.
No, I wouldn't. I've actually dealt with that kind of stuff every day when I was attending a private college where 1% of the people there represented my race. Instead of calling them racists, I educated them and they learned and stopped acting like idiots. Sounds familiar since that's how Yosuke pretty much changes in P4. But now I'm getting into personal things, so I'll stop.
But like most discrimination, I think it really only matters if it's coming from a place of hate, not a place of ignorance. At least that's how I categorize it. Hence why I don't really find him homophobic even though he technically fits the definition of it. Yosuke's homophobic tendencies are clearly coming from ignorance rather than hate. He isn't "I hate gays", more like "I don't understand them so I'll say rude jokes about them." Shit like that runs rampant in teens or at least the ones I grew up with, so that's why I just call Yosuke an idiot or ignorant, rather than homophobe.
Well shit. Nipped that in the bud.
Yeah, I mean, no offense dude, but that's exactly what you're doing. We all know Yosuke doesn't hate Kanji, but it's not about hate. That's not what defines homophobia.
I think the reason we always end up here when this topic comes up is because that's how people choose to define it. It's not about hate and we can't just arbitrarily change what words mean. I get that people don't like the negative connotation of "homophobe/ homophobia", but it is 100% accurate here.
DryEyeRelief
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The sentiment here shows the problem when you make a player's mouthpiece double as the center of comic relief.
Hot Coldman
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But he's totally the straight man, no pun intended.
It depends on whether or not he's about to get hit by the girls (comic) or the boys.(straight man)
Prove me wrong.
Yosuke is probably the gayest straight person in all of fiction.
(most of the images were gotten from HERE)
Hot Coldman
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Hey, being the straight man doesn't mean you're completely banned from ever being funny, or part of a skit
There's a good quote I read somewhere that goes "You can't date Yosuke, because you're already dating Yosuke".
I wish Yosuke's romantic social link hadn't been removed. Not because I want a homosexual representation, but because it would have been a legitimately good pairing. Like, I'd consider that the canonical pairing if it was still in the game.
Green Mamba
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I think it's worth noting that a character being bigoted in some way doesn't necessarily make them a bad character--just not particularly likeable, which not every character needs to be. That said, I do think that's what they were trying with Yosuke (likeable for the most part), and I think they dropped the ball on that account.
I need a Zoloft tablet
My mistake.
Hey, being the straight man doesn't mean you're completely banned from ever being funny, or part of a skit
My mistake.
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