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[MiguelMexMIstery]

Persona Q TV spot uploaded!
and new PSC.

Does anyone who knows Japanese can see how they introduce Theo and if they mention that Makoto is sick during the beginning of the game? It makes me wonder if they retconned that or if the events of the game end up being one of Makoto's dreams.

 

[PK Gaming]

So about the news regarding P4AU,

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I wasn't expecting Ikutsuki at all. It seems he is probably the one behind this. I really dislike him.. I'd prefer someone else, a new guy, perhaps a God, than him.

It's incredibly disappointing

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Ikkutsuki was the worst villain in the entire series.

 

[Dantis]

P2 and P3 spoilers.

Observation on the return of

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Ikutsuki

. The character is dead, but

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in Persona 2, Nyarlathotep brought Kandori back to life. When he did, Kandori had a big cross down his face. Very similar to the one that Sho has.

Also, Ikutsuki being the hacker would make a lot of sense, considering who he is. I always thought the hacker thing was really silly, but if it's someone who worked on the androids in the first place, then that's actually fine.

It actually does maybe seem like the story is starting to come together?...

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I should hurry up and do P4A's story mode so I can read these spoilers

 

[Ganzlinger]

It's incredibly disappointing

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Ikkutsuki was the worst villain in the entire series.

I feel the same.

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At least there must be someone else.

 

[Green Mamba]

It's incredibly disappointing

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Ikkutsuki was the worst villain in the entire series.

Hey,

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if you're going to revive a dead character in a goofy spinoff it's better off being a lame one no one cares about.

 

[pan-hime]

Does anyone who knows Japanese can see how they introduce Theo and if they mention that Makoto is sick during the beginning of the game? It makes me wonder if they retconned that or if the events of the game end up being one of Makoto's dreams.

I can answer the latter. The first scene apparently takes place AFTER the typhoon passed. Liz felt she had a dream that Makoto met "those" people, but not sure if it's real.

When she said that, Makoto heard Yu's voice, saying:

"We’ll meet again some day. I’m sure."

after, it's a damn flashback.

 

[Levito]

I should hurry up and do P4A's story mode so I can read these spoilers

It such a drag. I really do enjoy visual novels, but so much of Arena's is just expository dialog and retreading the same events make it so boring.

 

[CorvoSol]

So basically, "You thought it was

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Adachi

, but it was me,

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Ikutsuki!

"

?

 

[kewlmyc]

It such a drag. I really do enjoy visual novels, but so much of Arena's is just expository dialog and retreading the same events make it so boring.

Yet you still won't read Fate/Stay Night.

Arena's story telling really lets it down. Isn't there a P4A summary coming out with the limited edition of P4AU. Watch that be superior to the first game's story.

 

[Ganzlinger]

When she said that, Makoto heard Yu's voice, saying:

"We’ll meet again some day. I’m sure."

P3 spoilers:

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So it seems the plan to bring our hero back is still on the road.

 

[Lunar15]

Technically, we're just guessing. All we know is that they mention

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Ikutsuki

and his relationship with Sho.

I personally think that Sho is just the next in line after

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Ikutsuki

to bring about the fall. Probably still someone other than these two behind it all.

I think the reappearance of

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Adachi

may suggest that the real malevolent entity approached him about becoming the next in line before Sho.

What I'm saying is, someone's trying to open that gate, so they keep getting pawns to do it for them.

 

[kewlmyc]

P3 spoilers:

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So it seems the plan to bring our hero back is still on the road.

You're thinking way too far into that probably.

 

[Levito]

Yet you still won't read Fate/Stay Night.

When they release it in a manner where I can purchase it legally, I will!

 

[buddha0991]

Yet you still won't read Fate/Stay Night.

Arena's story telling really lets it down. Isn't there a P4A summary coming out with the limited edition of P4AU. Watch that be superior to the first game's story.

The first game's story is straight up DLC for P4AU lol

 

[Lunar15]

Also, I literally just realized that

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Ikutsuki's name is a PUN.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I personally think that Sho is just the next in line after

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Ikutsuki

to bring about the fall. Probably still someone other than these two behind it all.

I already mentioned that Sho was "his" insurance. Probably for "just in case this end-of-the world scenario doesn't work" in P3.

You're thinking way too far into that probably.

I don't know that he is, really.

 

[Red The Hunter]

Technically, we're just guessing. All we know is that they mention

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Ikutsuki

and his relationship with Sho.

I personally think that Sho is just the next in line after

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Ikutsuki

to bring about the fall. Probably still someone other than these two behind it all.

I think the reappearance of

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Adachi

may suggest that the real malevolent entity approached him about becoming the next in line before Sho.

What I'm saying is, someone's trying to open that gate, so they keep getting pawns to do it for them.

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Yeah, seems like the crawling chaos is back from his long slumber.

 

[Lunar15]

I already mentioned that Sho was "his" insurance. Probably for "just in case this end-of-the world scenario doesn't work" in P3.



I don't know that he is, really.

Ah, I think misread you, but we're definitely on the same page. I don't think

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Ikutsuki

will actually be back in this game, nor is he the malevolent entity.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

I can answer the latter. The first scene apparently takes place AFTER the typhoon passed. Liz felt she had a dream that Makoto met "those" people, but not sure if it's real.

When she said that, Makoto heard Yu's voice, saying:

"We’ll meet again some day. I’m sure."

after, it's a damn flashback.

Very interesting, thanks! I think this heightens the chances of the game being canon.

 

[Ganzlinger]

You're thinking way too far into that probably.

Yes,

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but now there are two recent games that involves P3's story that makes references to his returning. I don't think Atlus would put those lines without having meaning.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Very interesting, thanks! I think this heightens the chances of the game being canon.

Yeah, they haven't explicitly mentioned it like they have with P4AU and P4D, but it seems that PQ is supposed to be canon as well. In which case, obviously, they all lost their memories at the end of it. Whatever, they can go however crazy they want to with the spin-off canon stories as long as there's no major retcon, and that they don't somehow leak in a big way into P5.

Heh, if I ever play through P3 and P4 again, it'll be interesting to go back and think "this is where they lost their memories of that crazy thing that happened."

Yes,

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but now there are two recent games that involves P3's story that makes references to his returning. I don't think Atlus would put those lines without having meaning.

Two?

- P3FES
- P4
- P4A
- PQ (if we're counting this passing comment as being significant)

It's something they've been trying to emphasize for a bit now.

Edit: Oh wait, glossed over the "recent" part. Then sure, P4A and PQ.

 

[hipsterpants]

Is Elizabeth's story part of the P3 casts' campaign or is it separate?

 

[Spectrasonic]

Is Elizabeth's story part of the P3 casts' campaign or is it separate?

I don't think anybody has the game yet to find out...

 

[buddha0991]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVKHadEvfs0

 

[Lunar15]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

 

[Green Mamba]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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It also renders The Answer entirely moot, something I am not okay with at all. Bringing the P3 protagonist back would be fan pandering of the absolute worst kind.

 

[Dantis]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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Arena ruins many things.

 

[Acid08]

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It also renders The Answer entirely moot, something I am not okay with at all. Bringing the P3 protagonist back would be fan pandering of the absolute worst kind.

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These spinoff games are kind of all about fan pandering though? I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is.

 

[Spectrasonic]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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I hope he comes back so he can destroy Aigis for stealing his wild card

 

[Setsu00]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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I agree with that 100%. The only way I can think of that doesn't totally shit on P3's ending is Elizabeth liberating his soul, but not giving him back is body.

 

[PK Gaming]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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They talk about this at length in the P3 design works. The final battle was about challenging the inevitability of death and accepting it. They wanted players to step back and think about their lives, and they made it pretty clear that Makoto's story was over. I don't think they're going to renege on that, at the very least.

 

[CorvoSol]

Guys it's gonna happen. Just accept that you will soon be playing a game in which Mitsuru, Yukari and Aigis form a pop band of treasure hunters while Mitsuru gets hit on by her creepy inbred cousin and we spend half the game chasing a phantom who looks like somebody that we used to know (HEYO GOTYE REFERENCE I AM SO RELEVANT) only for him to turn out to be a piano playing Gundam pilot who used to be in love with ancient super advanced Britney Spears and then at the very end of the game if you got 100% of the stuff then Philemon will make it happen.

Make your peace now, guys, because Aerith is not going to stay down.

 

[Green Mamba]

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These spinoff games are kind of all about fan pandering though? I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is.

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All the more reason for it to be deservingly shit on then if they go through with it.

 

[Spectrasonic]

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They talk about this at length in the P3 design works. The final battle was about challenging the inevitability of death and accepting it. They wanted players to step back and think about their lives, and they made it pretty clear that Makoto's story was over. I don't think they're going to renege on that, at the very least.

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I don't know about that. Elizabeth's story in Arena would be pointless then. They obviously want it to mean something, as it's extremely different from every other character's story.

 

[Tamanon]

They're going through a lot of trouble in P4AU to get a P3 character into Persona 4 Dancing All Night.

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Makoto

Although I imagine it'd just be like the Goth Kids dancing on South Park.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

Well, the discussion's been brought up a million times, with that as the focal point. I don't even necessarily disagree with it. Still, it's not as though the allegory wasn't overt as hell.

Persona 3 spoilers:

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- Makoto's crucifixion.
- Makoto performs "miracles" throughout the game (e.g. stopping the train).
- Depicted as "the chosen one" right from the beginning.
- Literally dies for humanity's sins.
- Gains a Persona straight up called "Messiah."

I mean, it kind of adds up to something, right?

 

[Dantis]

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These spinoff games are kind of all about fan pandering though? I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is.

This is the real answer.

Arena is a silly spinoff title, just like Q and Dancing All Night. It kinda stinks that they alter our perceptions of past games, but I think Atlus just doesn't take these things all that seriously. Rather than thinking "This might ruin this, so let's not go forward with this idea", they think "This might be fun, let's do this!".

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

Yeah, they haven't explicitly mentioned it like they have with P4AU and P4D, but it seems that PQ is supposed to be canon as well. In which case, obviously, they all lost their memories at the end of it. Whatever, they can go however crazy they want to with the spin-off canon stories as long as there's no major retcon, and that they don't somehow leak in a big way into P5.

Heh, if I ever play through P3 and P4 again, it'll be interesting to go back and think "this is where they lost their memories of that crazy thing that happened."

Indeed. It always weirded me out that Atlus mentioned very soon after their announcement that P4A and P4D were canon, but not with PQ.

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I hope he comes back so he can destroy Aigis for stealing his wild card

I kinda agree with this in someway,

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I always hated how Aigis took his Wild Card and his own Persona, it was very uneccesary for me. Plus, it made him less unique, I think that's the aspect I hate the most from The Answer, I would rather play only with Pallas Athena.

 

[PK Gaming]

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I don't know about that. Elizabeth's story in Arena would be pointless then. They obviously want it to mean something, as it's extremely different from every other character's story.

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Elizabeth's story is hot garbage. She can try to save him, but I hope to god that she doesn't succeed, or at the very least, he ends up staying dead and his soul ends up getting liberated or some shit.

 

[Sophia]

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I hope he comes back so he can destroy Aigis for stealing his wild card

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How cruel and evil of a monster must you be?! ;_:

This is the real answer.

Arena is a silly spinoff title, just like Q and Dancing All Night. It kinda stinks that they alter our perceptions of past games, but I think Atlus just doesn't take these things all that seriously. Rather than thinking "This might ruin this, so let's not go forward with this idea", they think "This might be fun, let's do this!".

Atlus confirmed for all fun and no Serious Business.

 

[Dantis]

Indeed. It always weirded me out that Atlus mentioned very soon after their announcement that P4A and P4D were canon, but not with PQ.

I don't think they've ever really confirmed anything as canon. The closest is when Wada referred to Arena as 'a proper sequel'.

What did they say about P4D?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I don't think they've ever really confirmed anything as canon. The closest is when Wada referred to Arena as 'a proper sequel'.

They did. #Re:birth.

 

[Levito]

Real Talk: (P3 Spoilers)

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Bringing P3MC back kind of ruins the ending. The point was that he sacrificed his life, and that gave it meaning. The entire message of the game is dealing with death in different ways, and to enjoy life while you have it. The game emphasizes this by making you act out your last days and you see how you've affected everyone around you and what their plans for the future are. The entire point is that his life had meaning, even if it was brief.

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Totally agreed, there's no reason to bring him back at all. His story is over, and it ended the best way it could within the context of that game.

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Arena ruins many things.

We went over this.

 

[kewlmyc]

We FFX-2 now!

 

[Acid08]

This is the real answer.

Arena is a silly spinoff title, just like Q and Dancing All Night. It kinda stinks that they alter our perceptions of past games, but I think Atlus just doesn't take these things all that seriously. Rather than thinking "This might ruin this, so let's not go forward with this idea", they think "This might be fun, let's do this!".

Yeah, exactly. I'm not taking any of these games seriously enough that what they would have an impact on how I feel about P3 and P4. Just gonna have fun with them.

We FFX-2 now!

The best outcome.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

I don't think they've ever really confirmed anything as canon. The closest is when Wada referred to Arena as 'a proper sequel'.

What did they say about P4D?

Oh, I thought P4A was confirmed to be canon since the reveal.

About P4D:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/26/persona-4-dancing-night-feature-remixes-japanese-music-artists/
"Yes, Persona 4: Dancing All Night is tied to the series’ story. Don’t ask us how. It’s a rhythm game starring Rise Kujikawa, who has finally taken her idol career all the way, and will feature other Persona 4 characters as well.

That said, this week’s issue of Dengeki PlayStation magazine reveals that the game takes place after the events of Persona 4: The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold."

 

[Lunar15]

We FFX-2 now!

I vomited.

 

[Levito]

We FFX-2 now!

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The extra ending in that is so shitty, and I acutally like FFX-2.


Basically a similar situation if they brought back Makoto.

 

[CorvoSol]

I am so ready for the Compilation of Persona 3 you guys. Persona 3: Advent Calendar, Persona 3: 3PS, Persona 3 Prequel: How much of Persona 2 can we retcon edition.

It's gonna be great.