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Persona Community Thread |OT5| Pull up a chair! [NO PQ OR P4U SPOILERS!]
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RockderBanja
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Yu stole it so he could cosplay.
InsaneElite
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..and no one ate dinner that night.
"Dummy Portrait"
Is it me, or does that look like Kenji, which would make the file name apropos.
It is Kenji's silhouette. The same portrait (albeit larger) is in P3.
DryEyeRelief
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I don't know if it's a requirement but I went fishing for the sea guardian on a rainy day.
That Dojima one should have been official art.
Thanks for the vid.
I actually did, too. She teased the hell out of him, but that's sort of Rise's thing, and its not like Kanji didn't dish back as much as he got.
EDIT: So what're everybody's favorite non-main Persona/demons? Mine tend to be the Angels in the series. Specifically I love Throne, Cherubim and Trumpeter.
Throne is sorta spooky looking, Trumpeter I just love because of its significance and because that thing is like, always great, and Cherubim's awesome smirk really does it for me.
I'm also a fan of Kresnik, Cu Chulainn and Parvati, as I found them terribly useful in P3P and SMT4.
hipsterpants
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edit: Alright, I'll spoil it all I guess.
Alright... I don't really like Naoto, or at least how she's used in the story. It's kind of ridiculous how the investigation team is apparently just worthless at figuring anything out, yet she seems to know like, everything. They were all talking about the case and Naoto went over how that Kitsuo (?) character only actually killed Morooka, and Chie or Yosuke was like "ohhhhhh, so that's actually what happened!" I just want to tell them all like no shit, that was obvious from the beginning. And having a character that's like a goddamn child prodigy super-genuis like her just feels a bit much in my opinion.
Also, I think her whole "I want to be a guy" issue is handled rather poorly. The most glaring one is how apparently a bunch of high schoolers are apparently totally okay with a classmate pretending to be a dude when she wasn't. And of course that's ignoring the other issues with how she managed to pull that off every day (gym class, going to the bathroom, stuff like that). But the biggest thing I don't understand is her shadow. Her shadow openly admits wishing that she was a dude. Even the dungeon itself is supposed to be a laboratory for the purpose of changing her gender. Considering the entire idea of shadows is that they're your hidden feelings, I'm assuming that means, yea, she wants to be a guy. Yet... apparently she doesn't actually want to be a guy? If one of you guys could explain this to me I would be very thankful, because right now it just doesn't make any sense.
At least right now I wish they just hadn't included the whole "pretending to be a dude" thing or had focused a lot more on it. As of now it just feels really half-assed and unnecessary.
Also, I think her whole "I want to be a guy" issue is handled rather poorly. The most glaring one is how apparently a bunch of high schoolers are apparently totally okay with a classmate pretending to be a dude when she wasn't. And of course that's ignoring the other issues with how she managed to pull that off every day (gym class, going to the bathroom, stuff like that). But the biggest thing I don't understand is her shadow. Her shadow openly admits wishing that she was a dude. Even the dungeon itself is supposed to be a laboratory for the purpose of changing her gender. Considering the entire idea of shadows is that they're your hidden feelings, I'm assuming that means, yea, she wants to be a guy. Yet... apparently she doesn't actually want to be a guy? If one of you guys could explain this to me I would be very thankful, because right now it just doesn't make any sense.
At least right now I wish they just hadn't included the whole "pretending to be a dude" thing or had focused a lot more on it. As of now it just feels really half-assed and unnecessary.
Shadows tend to represent a person's repressed feelings. This is how I interpret it, at least. In the same way Kanji's did,
Naoto's shadow was more along the lines of representing what Naoto thought she wanted but repressed. The idea that she wanted to be a completely different person because her ideal image and her reality conflicted too strongly for her to get over, that led to her thinking she wanted to change genders and whatnot. Just because those were repressed feelings, it doesn't mean they were correct or logically sound.
For myself, I never liked how Naoto
came across more like a replacement for your inner monologue in her role
IIRC,
after Naoto is outed as a woman a few people are caught gossiping about her in an unflattering way. So I'd hardly say that everyone was okay with her crossdressing. I'm not sure what more you're expecting on this issue.
Naoto wants to be a respected detective. Guess which gender is favored in that line of work? She does wish she were a man, but only as a means of gaining her peers' respect. When she faces her insecurities in the TV world she embraces the idea that she doesn't have to be older or a man to really be successful. In the epilogue she starts dressing more feminely. People in the past have been quick to inject LGBT themes into a storyline that's primarily about gender IMO.
Also, a lot people who are new to P4 wander into this thread for help. I'd think it might be best to put more spoiler tags on things.
Pixie eternally. Pixie is always the one demon/persona I want to hold onto the longest. If I ever had a persona avatar instead of one of the characters, it'd definitely be Pixie.
I was actually sad when the SMT4 chibi-Pixie one was grabbed when it happened, as I so would've gone with it.
SloaneRisette
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I really like Thor and Surt, and they were probably two of my most used Personas in FES
I love Jack Frost and Pyro Jack. Their "hee-ho" is hilarious.
I also like personas/demons with cool design or spells such as Loki (new design), Thanatos, Alice, Cu Chulainn, and Yoshitsune.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Lucifer has a amazing design.
DryEyeRelief
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Aesthetically, Thor, Lilith, Bishamonten, Mother Harlot, Kushinada and Kohryu...from what I can remember off the top of my head. Cu Chulainn and Throne are pretty cool too.
In terms of usefulness, uhh...I remember loving Siegfried and Norn in both P4 and P3.
Naoto's
isn't literally representative of
in the same way that Chie
and Rise
. Chie's
, Rise
, Naoto
.
The
has a double-meaning: yes, it's a reference to
, but it's also
.
shadow wanting to be a guy
Naoto's true feelings
doesn't actually think of Yukiko as her bitch
doesn't actually want to be a stripper. These are all repressed emotions, insecurities, fears about how people see them
shadow is really about her own insecurities about not being "feminine" enough and her jealousy towards Yukiko
wanting to "strip down" is metaphor for wanting people to see her as more than the manufactured personality she plays on TV
pretends to be male so that she's respected professionally, and not looked down upon for being young or a girl
The
laboratory theme of Naoto's dungeon
having a sex change operation
meant to be styled like the secret bases from all the detective shows Naoto admired as a kid, that gave her a male-biased vision of what a cool detective should be like
hipsterpants
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Alright, thanks guys. I think her whole character just kind of rubs me the wrong way.
I just feel like there should be a lot more complexity to her character given how she acts. I've yet to start her S. Link so I'm not sure if these things are addressed or not.
Unrelated, but that Nanako Max S. Link have me all the feels. I'm so disappointed that I won't have enough time to max Dojima's
The other characters have issues that, while not always relatable, are realistic enough for you to see that real people could have them.Yet Naoto's "not wanting to be seen as a child" problems are taken to ridiculous extremes because of her absurd intelligence levels and profession at her young age. Then the gender issue, which I feel could have acted alone as an issue for someone to face, feels kind of tacked on. Hopefully I don't sound like an insensitive ass, but having a 15-year old girl try to be a dude for at least a year or more seems like there should be more to it than her just want to fit in/be accepted. However, this is connected to the unrelatability of her issues due to her absurd personality and situation.
I just feel like there should be a lot more complexity to her character given how she acts. I've yet to start her S. Link so I'm not sure if these things are addressed or not.
Unrelated, but that Nanako Max S. Link have me all the feels. I'm so disappointed that I won't have enough time to max Dojima's
Quetzalcoatl (The serpent version, not that ugly chieftain one), Kohryu, Thanatos, Ra, Mot, Ongyo-Ki, Yurlungur, Satan and Shiki-Ouji are among my favorites from the Persona games.
If only, Ahriman, SMT II Vishnu and Fafnir were in them too...
Agreed. I have yet to see a Jack I didn't like.
He really does. SMTIV's biggest crime was deviating way too far from it.
If only, Ahriman, SMT II Vishnu and Fafnir were in them too...
Agreed. I have yet to see a Jack I didn't like.
He really does. SMTIV's biggest crime was deviating way too far from it.
Keep in mind this is a Japanese game. Tomboys are stigmatized badly over there, told they'll never find husbands, and criticized for not being feminine enough. And Naoto grew up admiring her family full of male detectives, watching shows and reading stories about male detectives. I don't think it's that much of a reach for a girl growing up in a culture with strict gender roles and surrounded by male images of what a detective should be could get some fucked up ideas on what she needs to be in order to be accepted by society.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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hipsterpants
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Yea, I know Japan isn't the most open-minded place on Earth. This stuff seeps into the manga and occasional anime that I watch too. Doesn't keep it from bothering me though.
Almost forgot to mention the hilariously sexist line where Yukiko says that
one of the reasons Naoto couldn't escape her captor is because she's actually a girl.
Please don't bring that piece of shit up
You mean you didn't like the wrinkly cave pimp dressed like Ziggy Stard-
Holy shit.
Yosuke's a cool dude, but he's pretty vulnerable to generalizations and stereotypes of many sorts.
Please don't bring that piece of shit up
Sadly, a lot of the new artwork for some of the demons suck balls.
SMTIV spoilers
What the fuck did they do to Lilith?!!
Sadly, a lot of the new artwork for some of the demons suck balls.
SMTIV spoilers
What the fuck did they do to Lilith?!!
Hardly the only part of SMT4 that sucked balls. I feel bad for the people in Europe patiently waiting to play that.
Naoto's definitely one of the weakest main characters of the game, personally. I think it's always been weird because by all rights, she should have been my favourite character in the game - she has my favourite design, for one. But there's a lot about her character arc and internal conflict that's handled either incredibly poorly -
any real reason for Naoto's supposed inferiority complex is really poorly reflected by the game in general - and sometimes it's outright uncomfortable. The path to 'romancing' Naoto is legitimately one of the most... ugh aspects of the game.
Throne is a great pick, always loved his casting animation where he spins. I'm not sure if she counts because supposedly she was supposed to be Marie's Persona, but Kaguyahime is easily one of my favourite designs. She's just got a really slick, sci-fi design. I think Samael and Seth look fucking awesome, but they've never been that useful to me as actual things to keep around by the time I ever got to the likes of them. I also love Kohryu. He's the first Persona I ever got Spell Master on in P4 and he's pretty much the best. I'm really liking Lorelai too, although it might be because I'm playing Devil Survivor: Overclocked right now and she is mad useful. Feel like there's a couple demons I'm forgetting about, but eh.
I definitely get where you're coming from. That conservation with the Yukiko line you're talking about is definitely bothersome, as is pretty much everything Yosuke says to Kanji. You can also (optionally) do some pretty cringeworthy stuff during the Naoto s-link as well, particularly if
you want to romance her
That said, there's lots of people
who interpret Naoto as female-to-male transgender and then get upset when the game constantly refers to her as female
Oh yeah, Samael was a nifty one. I used him for awhile in P3P.
I never bothered with anyone not named Izanagi or Black Frost in P4G, though. Subsequent playthroughs of P3P and P4G will see me just use Orpheus/Thanatos/Messiah and Izanagi/Alts.
Subsequent playthroughs of Persona 1ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
SloaneRisette
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Then why did you fight him in The Avengers?
Because I am the best and fuck that Thor
TurnipFritters
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TBH a lot of SMT4's demon art issues could have been resolved if Doi or Kaneko had drawn the actual in-game art instead of just throwing all the disparate styles in.
Anyway I'm like 80% sure we'll see Chemtrail/Plasma in P5 because it really seems to fit the Persona aesthetic, such as it is.
Anyway I'm like 80% sure we'll see Chemtrail/Plasma in P5 because it really seems to fit the Persona aesthetic, such as it is.
buddha0991
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SMTIV is awesome you poop
Demons I wish were in Persona:
That toilet demon from Persona 1. Also that basketball demon.
Demons I hope to never see again:
That one whose neck is being crushed by a vice. Shit's creepy.
SMT4 is a solid game, sure, but not anything I'd want to be stuck waiting months and months for.
That toilet demon from Persona 1. Also that basketball demon.
Demons I hope to never see again:
That one whose neck is being crushed by a vice. Shit's creepy.
SMT4 is a solid game, sure, but not anything I'd want to be stuck waiting months and months for.
SloaneRisette
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Is the basketball demon a Monstar
His mother probably thinks so.
I thought you were Shazam.
You know what's really creepy?
Penis-tongue Cthulhu
You know, I like shadows and I get that demons are a megaten staple the way behemoths and bombs are for Final Fantasy, but I kinda wish Persona would really embrace how wacky the bestiary of an urban fantasy can be. Like the toilet and basketball stuff in P1 was great, and fighting tables and dice is okay, but in Earthbound you fight lamp posts and hippies and in some urban FF areas like midgar you fight houses. I'd really love for them to embrace those kinds of wacky things in the monster category.
TurnipFritters
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You can fight books and dancers and tanks and gloves.
It seems like in P4 they mention that the random encounter shadows are supposed to be evocative of stuff you see on TV, and, I dunno, like, some of them? Sure. But a lot are recycled from P3 and don't really scream "common TV content" you know?
It seems like in P4 they mention that the random encounter shadows are supposed to be evocative of stuff you see on TV, and, I dunno, like, some of them? Sure. But a lot are recycled from P3 and don't really scream "common TV content" you know?
Yes, but give me more.
buddha0991
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SloaneRisette
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What did you call me
hipsterpants
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nooooo I missed out on maxing Dojima's link
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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That house with teeth that shoot missiles fucking destroyed me in my first time playing FF7.
hipsterpants
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Wow, the hot springs scene just makes the girls look like a bunch of jerks. What awful friends.
duckroll says that there might be a Persona related announcement coming this Friday:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808657
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808657
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