Given that one side is now seriously using "waifu" as a verb in their arguments, I think it's pretty much over.
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Given that one side is now seriously using "waifu" as a verb in their arguments, I think it's pretty much over.
Vox Chaotica
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Did someone say waifu, because you know how I feel about waifus
SloaneRisette
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It should be a selectable word for P4AU titles.
animaSerah
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Thank you, Nich. I was just thinking the same thing...
SloaneRisette
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Never
Damn, everytime I seeing your post here.. its all about the ether.
hipsterpants
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P4 doesn't even have good waifus. But it has the best husbando.
Green Mamba
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As soon as P5 is revealed I am out of here. I am going to do my best to go into the game as blind as I can be.
Rise is apparently PersonaGAF's equivalent of politics.
New stuff is the best, isn't it?
New stuff is the best, isn't it?
Vox Chaotica
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Haha, I really liked playing P3P that way. I expect that's how I'll do it in the future, too! It can be a bit grindy at times, but I appreciate that P3 had enough characters that I could use distinct parties to make the game more interesting that way, too.
No, no, no. The best husband is Theo. MMmmmm Theo.
You all know I'm going to wind up disliking the most popular character and what a roller coaster this thread will be from there, people.
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
1. Holy shit they used to hand Personas out like candies to folks. This random fat guy in the sushi bar just happens to have one? Okay.
2. How close is the city of Mikage-Cho to the city of Sumaru that St. Hermelin grads and students form a full third of Sumaru's active population?
3. Lisa becoming a popstar with no effort is possibly Eikichi's very worst nightmare ever.
Hot Coldman
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Of course everyone had a Persona, that's why they're called PERSONAS 
Is there a good album that contains all the music from Arena out there? (This I assume)
You mean the Persona Arena OST?
Wasn't sure if that was an abridged soundtrack or not, looks like it is?
The Arena OST contains all the new tracks written for Arena. It doesn't contain the P3 and P4 tracks. You have to get the respective OSTs for those.
LelouchViBritannia
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Hells yeah.
Ah ok, was looking to pick up an physical copy. Tis not a cheap one though.
I feel like I only paid about $20 for it... Which isn't too bad when you just spent $15 on a silly video!
True, I'm probably just looking in the wrong places to buy it. Not very knowledgeable about importing.
Also, the reaction to the Tomodachi Life thing has reminded me that P5 is going to have an enormous backlash if it doesn't have gay relationships or a female protag. Hopefully both are in there.
Also, the reaction to the Tomodachi Life thing has reminded me that P5 is going to have an enormous backlash if it doesn't have gay relationships or a female protag. Hopefully both are in there.
I don't think there should necessarily be either, to be honest. It would be nice if they were in there, but Atlus shouldn't feel obligated to do it, I don't think, because of the type of game that Persona is. Certainly, I don't think it's the same kind of problem as Tomodachi Life not having it.
I don't know if there will be a backlash, but there shouldn't be.
Also, I just checked, and it's apparently $30. Which still isn't too bad!
Doubt it. They wouldn't be similar situations at all. There'd be backlash in the same way P3 or P4 had 'backlash' for the same reason, but nowhere near "enormous".
hipsterpants
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Why would there be backlash against there not being a female protagonist? I mean I could see there being a possible gay relationship considering the main theme of the game is about societal pressures and whatnot, but honestly who cares? It'll probably just be like P4 where the non-romance option has a better S. Link conclusion.
Same here (not that I post a whole bunch, but I'll stop lurking too!). I want to be a part of the hype machine, I'm sure it will be a fun ride, but I don't want to go into the game knowing who's gonna be in the party, what their Personas look like, etc. I knew next to nothing about P3FES or P4G, other than what was on the cover, before I played them, that was awesome.
It's a tough decision though. Community hype/discussion and trailers vs Unspoiled game experience.
I don't think it would be as bad, because the Protagonist will (likely) be pre-defined unlike games like Tomodachi Life. They could argue it doesn't fit the character. But I'd be open to either or both.
buddha0991
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That is Kenta "Toro" from Persona 1, he is hardly in the main quest but he has a role in the Snow Queen Quest. His Persona? Mara.
Rumor has it that Mikage is a part of Sumaru or a city on the edge of Sumaru.
They should only do it if they want to, not because they feel compelled to. So I agree?
What retailer are you looking at? Found this over on Play Asia.
Persona 5 is coming out in a far different gaming landscape in terms of how the media reacts to games not being inclusive, progressive, etc. Enormous is probably overstating it, but it would most certainly be a much bigger reaction than P3 or P4 got.
(Also, female protag option, like P3P-- to be clear)
I don't think so. The idea with Tomodachi life is that you can be yourself and other people you know. The concept is built around you having the freedom to do whatever you want. So people are upset that they really don't have the full freedom to truly be who they are.
With a game like Persona, it's a story with a defined main character, at least to a degree. I understand that choice is still a factor, but it's still less of a factor here.
I'm not saying they can't or shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that the two situations are a tad different. I'm all for whatever, as long as it doesn't hinder the story. Dating in P4/3 was such a minor aspect that sure, do what you want. However, it would be kind of interesting if every male and female was after the protagonist. Talk about a true pimp.
EDIT: There will be backlash though.
Sure, the vocal minority would be larger than that of P3 and P4 just because P5 will most likely be a bigger game in terms of media attention than the previous two. Still probably going to be a non-issue, unless someone seeks those kinds of tumblr/rant comments out.
Superb!
YesAsia.
This is probably true. Some people will raise a stink, but most people probably won't care.
It's notable, but so what?
My response had nothing to do with the fact that Rise was more comfortable with her self image than the rest of the girls (which isn't inherently a bad thing). It had everything to do with the fact that in addition to actively ignoring specifics of the scene, you outright contradicted it and presented that contradiction as a fact in an attempt to belittle her character (calling her a celebrity caricature as result of something she didn't do). It was completely out of line. I'll say it again; there's nothing wrong with a person who's completely comfortable with a self image. There's nothing wrong with making light of a horribly demeaning practice.
DryEyeRelief said:
If you'll recall, Mayumi Yamano is already shown in the prologue. They show clips of her struggling with her attacker. That said, Rise's commercial served 3 distinct purpose:
First, it makes the player cognizant of her existence as a celebrity/main character. Secondly, it uses that very scene as a springboard to misrepresent her (that shallow, sexy girl you meet at the prologue isn't the real her. I think it certainly represents a side of her, but it’s a side that comes secondary to her primary existence as Rise Kujikawa) The final purpose of that scene was for fanservice, but that was never really anything more than background noise... to posit it as shameless is just way too extreme. Besides, Persona isn't averse to making fanservice scenes work beyond just fanservice (see: Yukari's shower scene), so the fact they used the commercial to do multiple things was pretty cool. Using Mayumi Yamano in place of Rise to illustrate those points is useless and counter-intuitive. If you disregard the fact that she's already shown in the prologue, you'll note that:
- She doesn't need a specialized introduction because she's a minor character.
- There's nothing to misrepresent. What you see is what you get.
- I probably don’t have to elaborate on why it’s problematic/uncomfortable to use Mayumi Yamano as fanservice, so I won’t.
DryEyeRelief said:
Ok, I see what you mean now. The way her social link utilizes her conflict as a springboard into romancing with the protagonist is incredibly offputting. But even so, there's still an appeal to her social link. I found joy in moments where Rise was just being nonchalant herself. I enjoyed meeting up with Rise at Okina and seeing her shortchange her obnoxious fans. I liked seeing her re-ignite her passion for being an idol. I liked seeing her talk about her desire to please her faceless fan. Suffice it to say, I ended up liking her social link a lot. I can overlook the minor squabbles regarding romance because of those events, and I don't think i'm alone here. I'm positive that you'll find several adherents for Rise's social link in this thread. Again, this is clearly a YMMV thing, but I just don't see a point to writing off her entire social link due to some flawed writing.
DryEyeRelief said:
You're projecting your own values again. What is Yosuke supposed to be like? He's obviously more than just your endearing best friend. There's that entire undercurrent of his character where he's jealous of how awesome the protagonist is, and is resentful due to how much of a loser he is. Believe it or not, their main focus when making Yosuke was "good-looking, city boy who acts as a mouth piece for the protagonist." They didn't set out to make him your best friend; it's something he slowly develops into it over the course of the series. (Calling him Yu's best friend in P4 vanilla is debatable, but P4A/P4G makes it pretty clear that he's Yu's best friend)
Blindly buying into developer intent is dangerous, but I still don't think they screwed up with Rise's character at all. I like Rise, and i have ranted repeatedly on end about how disappointing it is to see the fandom write her off as a one note bimbo, when there's so much more to her character.
DryEyeRelief said:
But what you're arguing isn't even remotely open for interpretation. Being the primary love interest has nothing to do with the Lovers Arcana. The congruity between Rise and Yukari lies in the fact both characters have dealt with a major life changing decision between 2 roads. We've already talked about Rise, but for Yukari, that was presented by her decision to choose between her beliefs and values... her character concept is predicated on choosing to devote her life towards finding out the truth behind her father (instead of believing in the established truth). This is supported by the Persona 3 databook. The databook doesn't make a single mention her love for the protagonist, but it talks at length about her path in life. Persona actually does a good job at representing the Lovers Arcana. It avoids nearly all of the wrong preconceptions held by the Lovers Arcana.
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I mean, if it's set in college, there's no way there won't be same-sex relationships.
But for reals, Persona ain't the kind of game where you need total diversity. It'd be nice but no-one's at fault if there isn't, say, a gay party member.
SpacePirate Ridley
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I'm also with this.
Im all for more female characters, or gay relationships or any kind of variety in more games, but forcing that is a bad idea.
Yup, exactly.
All I'll say is this, a huge portion of the fanbase that plays these games is female, and they already included a female protag in P3P. So at least in that regard, it'd be pretty cool if though brought that back! (No, I'm not saying they have to)
$15 cheaper, though it might be around the same with shipping. Will have to look into it.
$15 cheaper, though it might be around the same with shipping. Will have to look into it.
I think that'd be awesome. It'd be great for replayability.
I've always said: I think they were able to pull off having two genders in P3P because they didn't have cutscenes. They didn't do it in P4G because they didn't want to have to re-do the cut scenes with a different character.
Now, since they're starting from scratch, there's no reason they couldn't do cutscenes for both.
I can't imagine anyone objecting to it outside of maybe Atlus's budget.
That's why I object to it in terms of "optional female protagonist". Either stick with a female protagonist or a male protagonist, but not both. Pretty much all elaborated on in this page.
Maybe Persona Q, Persona 4 Dancing All Night, Persona 4 Ultimax, and Persona 4 Golden The Animation will all pay for female protag with their returns?
*snrk*
Green Mamba
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I feel pretty strongly that there should be an option between male or female. I think that's the most fair, especially to Persona's sizable female fanbase; because let's be real, no way are we getting a female protagonist otherwise.
Well, its the more making it in a way that there is enough new content on replay to make it worthwhile that creates that issue. If they designed it well, they could manage both genders without adding a ton to the cost of the game. I think its more the replayability of it that brings out the expense of it.
I am not anticipating Persona 5 so that I can replay it, I am anticipating the game so I can experience it for the first time. As several people explain in that link, adding the option for two genders would dilute what the game would potentially be with only one, and that is why I am opposed.
I think it's unrealistic to hope for an optional female protaognist akin to P3P's FeMC on P5's first outing. They only pulled it off because they had an existing game to work with. Adding a female protagonist that isn't half assed effectively doubling up on the text and coming up with new social links is bound to take time/resources.
That's why i'm hoping that the female P5 protagonist is introduced in the inevitable P5 remake, or better yet, the primary P5 protagonist is female.
That's why i'm hoping that the female P5 protagonist is introduced in the inevitable P5 remake, or better yet, the primary P5 protagonist is female.
Why does it need to be FeMC again? They can make it where you pick one or the other and make it so the scenario isn't gender specific and the job is done.
I think the only reason the FeMC route is just that - it's own unique route - is because it was the selling point for a re-release. P5 doesn't have that kind of burden.
I think the only reason the FeMC route is just that - it's own unique route - is because it was the selling point for a re-release. P5 doesn't have that kind of burden.
Eh, I don't know. Persona games aren't life simulators like Tomodachi is. There's no requirement for them to have either if it doesn't fit their vision. Though, yeah, it would be nice to see them be more inclusive by adding options for gay relationships in there.
But yeah there will be backlash no matter what they do.
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