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Persona Community Thread |OT6| Where 6 Comes Before 5 (No PQ or P4U spoilers!)
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I actually saw that about a week ago and absolutely loved it. The DR 1 & 2 characters fit the PQ art style super well and as a big fan of both series, it was a very enjoyable video to watch. It's also hella spoilery, but the others already said that.
names2hard4you
Member
Spoilers everywhere! But goddamnit if you had told me that this was an official thing, I would of totally believed it. Whoever made this certainly did take their time. Here's hoping it doesn't get taken down for copyright infringement or something lol!
Red The Hunter
Member
All I'm hoping from this patch is that shadow frenzy is reworked, because certain characters are pretty OP with it.
Maybe they'll add the P3 protagonist; BBCP 2.0 added two new characters after all (well, 1.5)...
A substantial change to Shadows is pretty much one of the big things I wanted to see, so it's cool that that's being done. Some minor changes all around, to normal characters too, could be pretty great. It'd be pretty funny if Shadow Marie was actually added in.
That's not the issue... it's more like some characters are pretty useless with it. Aside from Shadow Mitsuru or Shadow Chie, the damage from Shadow Frenzy combos is generally what a normal character would be doing anyways with some meter. They're volatile, but none of the Shadows can be called "OP", especially considering they don't have a Burst, they don't have Awakening and we're talking about Persona.
HAHAHA
A substantial change to Shadows is pretty much one of the big things I wanted to see, so it's cool that that's being done. Some minor changes all around, to normal characters too, could be pretty great. It'd be pretty funny if Shadow Marie was actually added in.
That's not the issue... it's more like some characters are pretty useless with it. Aside from Shadow Mitsuru or Shadow Chie, the damage from Shadow Frenzy combos is generally what a normal character would be doing anyways with some meter. They're volatile, but none of the Shadows can be called "OP", especially considering they don't have a Burst, they don't have Awakening and we're talking about Persona.
Petrock123
Member
I'm not that smart, but are you implying that shadows in general should have it or specifically shadow ken? I don't recall Ken, or many others outside of a few, being especially good, just Chie, Naoto, Mitsuru, Yu. Maybe Kanji for the ability to chain dizzy-state into burn to a crisp at the end of his combo or junpei to get lots of runs or victory cry in one combo, but that's really all I can think of.
If that burst can function like a normal burst outside of a couple changes (maybe only during frenzy or something like that?), then that would make things more even vs the normal counterparts, though if all shadows can use it then it doesn't really balance the shadows vs each other. Not the best source, I know, but eventhubs tier list puts shadows lower than their other counterparts for most of the characters. Note that if anyone wants to check, be aware of spoilers for P3/P4.
For the most part, you're right, but Shadow Naoto, Shadow Chie and Shadow Mitsuru definitely need tweaking. Shadow Naoto's ability to use Shadow Burst combos that put an opponent in a situation where they have to guess the mixup or die is absurd to the highest degree. Similarly, Shadow Chie / Shadow Mitsuru's ludicrous damage needs to be addressed as well. I'm not calling for a severe nerf, but their shadow burst damage should be set around Shadow Narukami's damage, imo.
I'll give you Shadow Naoto, sure. But, then again, I wouldn't say she's OP, either (same for Chie or Mitsuru). They're just insanely volatile, having the ability to swing the momentum of a match insanely in the opposite direction it was heading towards in a moment. But that's not necessarily a good thing, heh, and I agree that a tweak towards their volatility would be good.
I want it.
You're over-thinking things. I'm merely saying that the presence of the indicator in the first place shows that they're willing to significantly overhaul how Shadow types work in the name of balance.
Maybe she'll write good poetry. Or at least be aware of how bad hers is.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Petrock123
Member
You're over-thinking things. I'm merely saying that the presence of the indicator in the first place shows that they're willing to significantly overhaul how Shadow types work in the name of balance.
Maybe she'll write good poetry. Or at least be aware of how bad hers is.
Ok my bad.
Yeah I was thinking that too, for the most rage possible. Also like the idea of launching the opponent really high into the air multiple times in succession during shadow frenzy if that's even possible, like chaining together heat risers and magatsu mandalas.
A man can dream right?
True. Makes me want the game more. I think this was stated before, but it would be neat(?) if they had something like Heroes and Heralds of uMvC3 where you could take your broken characters to fight against each other. I suppose there is boss mode?
Golden Arena Mode exists for craziness like that.
atlusprime
Atlus PR
Still working on an unboxing!
A Dead Diehard
Member
You just want to see the world burn D:
I would love to see it though, but I don't want to ruin an opportunity of what might be P4U2's last chance lol
As for the topic of balancing shadows... if it was really a lazy addition of bursts, I don't like that. I've already expressed elsewhere that that really isn't the issue for Shadows. It'll help them (in ways not absolutely necessary) but it won't fix all the problems for most Shadows.
Paradise Brunch
Member
Hi guys
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
Hi guys
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
Persona 4 or Persona 4 Golden is the most accessible way to get into the series, easily.
In order of which would be most important in my opinion: Persona 4/Golden > Persona 3 FES > Persona 3 Portable > Persona 2 Innocent Sin > Persona (PSP) > Persona 2 Eternal Punishment
Paradise Brunch
Member
I'll keep that in mind
Play P3 first.Hi guys
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
I've recently only just completed it, and it's one of my favorite games of all time. I don't even consider myself a big fan of either Anime or JRPGs either, but Persona (or SMT in general) is an amazing series.
Plus you can really appreciate the updates they have done with P4G.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Hi guys
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
I'd recommend playing Persona 3 FES first and playing Persona 4 Golden second.
But don't play the Answer.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
He should play P3P for FeMC.
Well, P3P doesn't have cutscenes, and without them happening on the screen it could make P3 seem rather bland on the first try.
I liked The Answer... but if one can't stand the heat, they should at least watch the cutscenes on Youtube or something.
FeMC is garbage.
Lollipop Dave
Member
and non-canon. If the over-arcing story is what they are after.
names2hard4you
Member
P3 first yes. Not just because it is my favorite but because, I won't lie, gameplay and mechanically P4G is a better game. If you go from P4G to P3P or P3FES, trust me you will feel the difference, and that might impact the game in a negative way for you. That being said, P3 isn't a bad game, it is just older than P4G and you being a newcomer, regressing in terms of gameplay might kill the appeal of it.
Tl;dr play P3 then P4, P4 is better gameplay wise, while for me personally, P3 had the more interesting story.
Tl;dr play P3 then P4, P4 is better gameplay wise, while for me personally, P3 had the more interesting story.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
What?!
I thought The Answer ruined some character development, mainly with Yukari and Junpei + there was alot of grinding.
Although, Aigis's growth in The Answer was great.
Yukari I can understand (though she was understandably on edge throughout the whole thing), but Junpei was practically the best character in The Answer. His development after the end of The Journey was fantastic.
I somehow regret that I chose P3P over FES. Having played P4G already, its just not the same when the only thing you ever see are the portraits of your characters whenever some shit happens. And while its cool that the game is super-fast, since theres no running in the town, the overall presentation of P4G was more to my liking. It also sucks that there are no SL options for your male team-members (I play with the male MC), especially after having a fun time with Brosuke.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Don't want to sound like a broken record, but I personally loved Yukari's arc in The Answer. Just thought it was really refreshing to have a party member portrayed that way, especially when you hear the reason behind it. Michelle Ruff does a great job of those scenes too.
Yeah, I found it annoying, nothing else. P3>P3Answer for Yukari
Petrock123
Member
I admit I may have been among those people first time through FES, considering that I got her to rank 1/2 and stopped. In my time through female route I'm farther (think rank 6?)
Ganzlinger
Member
Hi guys
Never played any of persona games before, but GAF hype + P5 announcement got me really interested in this series. So, which one should I play first?
Thanks
I'd recommend Persona 3 FES first then Persona 4 Golden.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Here's a link to the first European interview with Atlus CEO Naoto Hiraoka, credit to u/Curly Alex of reddit. Outside of a couple instances of poor editing ("Shin Megami Tensai"), it makes for a pretty interesting read. Especially like his attitude to retail and digital sales.
You know that feeling when you've been up for 20 hours and haven't started on an assignment that counts for 20% of your grade, and you wonder whether it's worth powering through or failing the class to get some sleep, but you're the type to always power through things even when you really don't want to so even though you spend the next 2 hours staring into a void balancing these two possibilities against each other, you always knew that the former was an inevitability so, as the will of causality would naturally direct it, you start and finish the assignment within a period of 4-5 hours running on pure instinct, and when you're done with it and print it out you practically don't even know what you wrote, but it'll probably turn out fine since this scenario has been repeated again, and again, and again?
It's kinda like that.
Hey folks, podcast records today. Last chance to get in a question.
Panel will be Armada, Inorigo, Andrea from Save/Continue, and Cheska. (And moi of course)
Panel will be Armada, Inorigo, Andrea from Save/Continue, and Cheska. (And moi of course)
While I have yet to read the article, I'm incredibly bothered by the fact that the author mispells "Tensei" all the time.