Isn't there only a handful of tracks where does it in DDS? He generally does it for a few tracks in all his OSTs. Strange Journey is the only one without it.
Also, great pics, Arue and 84!
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Isn't there only a handful of tracks where does it in DDS? He generally does it for a few tracks in all his OSTs. Strange Journey is the only one without it.
Also, great pics, Arue and 84!
Well, to be fair, P4 is his mark on the franchise. If anything, you should be disappointed if he hadn't written that!
KenjiGlove
Banned
Do you know what is worse than people deriding the lack of FemMC in the extended canon? People trying to impose those opinions/views onto others.
Truth be told, both routes are perfectly valid, though I do tend to agree with the game's suggestion of going for the male route first. It is, for all intents and purposes, canon - meaning you'll encounter that version of events in all extended media. It may cause a little bit of confusion later, if you choose to go the other route; though that also assumes you'll want to play it again, and that you'll stick around for everything else. It's the 'intended' experience, whatever sway that holds over you.
The female route carries a lot of affection for most (me included), precisely because it builds upon on what you already know. By the point of P3P's release, fans were already well-aware of established character relationships and quirks, so it especially novel to see all that turned on its head, and being allowed as the player avatar, to approach these personalities on completely different terms. I think a lot of the fun of this route, comes from the subversion that takes place.
You can't really make a wrong choice - it's just that there are caveats to each!
If only we all had the time!
KenjiGlove
Banned
Woah, I really didn't say that to "impose my opinion" or anything, kinda harsh to just assume that.
I mean, FES also exists. If you're already going to play as a male wouldn't that be the "better, more intended" way to play?
A Dead Diehard
Member
Ignore this man.
Even though it's the same version, FeMC still has advantages over the male.
Well it's either that or spend eternity pining for FeMC to be canon.
It can't be healthy.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Exactly. That's why ty_hot should ignore everyone but me and play P3FES instead of portable
cj_iwakura
Member
That will always be my favorite drawing of the P3 MC. I miss that Soejima art style.
Aadrian1234
Banned
Throwing my opinion out there, play P3MC first, then do FeMC afterwards. P3MC is the canon route that all P3 media follows, and FeMC was added in afterwards. Think of FeMC as a "what if" scenario, or an alternate timeline. I also don't really know how FeMC can change your views on the game's themes, but i played P3MC first in P3: FES
A Dead Diehard
Member
oook guys, thanks for coming to a split decision
cant play P3FES as I dont have a ps2 anymore (10 years maybe?).
It's also available on PS3 on the PSN. Goes on sale pretty frequently, too.
Unless you're like me and are hoping for a rerelease announcement for its 10th anniversary next year...
Kanji's become one of the 14 Voices He Won't Do Anymore
When you post a brief answer, devoid of any real explanation, it really does convey a tone, whether you intend it to or not.
Also, it isn't the first time I've seen you reply to this subject, and you were similarly flippant then.
But that's probably just me though, and those who have gotten on their soapbox about this has begun to grate. Sorry!
A Dead Diehard
Member
People getting on a soapbox for any subject beings to grate.
KenjiGlove
Banned
I'm sorry too if I offended you.
Thing is, it's always hard to explain a choice that a new player has to make before he even has any experience with the game. I mean I could say that you get S.links with male party members but I doubt a beginner would even know what that means.
Whatever I say, it's always going to be vary vague since you also have to avoid spoilers and stuff so I personally don't really see a reason to go into detail why one should pick it.
I mean, I could say that FemC "fleshes out the male cast more" (which happens to be the main reason why I prefer the route) but without a frame of reference of who these male characters even are it feels rather useless.
I say it more because I think that people should be aware that FemC is a legit choice to pick, especially since the whole "recommended for new players" thingy shown when you try to pick the male version kinda sways people to think that male is "the only way to go" at the start, at least that's what I've noticed when I talked to some people who played P3P male route.
Me saying that someone should play FemC is more of a "hey, if you wanna play as this one at the start you should totally do it" and not an "You must play FemC since it's superior.
But if it confuses people I'll word it different in the future.
Sorry again, I never like it when I upset people <3
He still sometimes uses a similar voice for some roles. Like for the protagonist in The Crew.
It's all good, so long as you romance Fuuka, right?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggghhhhhht?!?
A Dead Diehard
Member
Now now, trying to manipulate a new player's choice in love interest would be unethical of us.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Aadrian1234
Banned
Yet we do it anyways
A Dead Diehard
Member
Sophia, please come and keep me away from this poor soul...
:|
Aigis wasn't even a social link in the original version of Persona 3. Yukari seems to have been the intended love interest originally, before the introduction of social links.
Not even a little.
Aadrian1234
Banned
The "love" you see is platonic. Yukari is the only character who is pushed at all onto P3MC. Now if you actually finish Aigis' social link, then the story makes it look like she is the love interest, with her social link in mind. But the game actually assumes you've done no social links to stay on one canon route throughout games, so it's not canon (sadly)
As already been mentioned, anything that allowed/showed the MC reciprocating anything, or even depicted that kind of relationship, are all elements that weren't present originally.
What you're referring to is purely conjecture, and part of plot elements that are later resolved within the course of the story.
It's certainly presented that way (initially), with Aigis' stalking, so I can understand why some misconstrue that, but it's more of a device to create intrigue at that point in the story.
KenjiGlove
Banned
What about Elizabeth?
I personally didn't persue anyone though, in both P4 and 3 (male route)
I personally didn't persue anyone though, in both P4 and 3 (male route)
That's how I always viewed it, too.
Yukari is the 'intended' route in P3, whilst Yukiko is the same in P4. As much as I prefer Rise, I think her boldness in proclaiming her interest in Yu, is the typical cliché of the bold girl being introduced to incite some sort of drama and tension, within the established dynamic. As much as I like that archetype, you rarely see them treated with any sort of seriousness in media, unfortunately. Well, at least in terms of them winning out in the romance stakes.
Good grief it's a fucking video game
I don't think Yukiko was the intended love interest in Persona 4. All four female characters get scenes indicating that they like the protagonist, and Persona 4 was firmly developed with the social link system in mind. Yukari, on the other hand, was explicitly stated as the heroine/love interest by Soejima prior to adding the social link system. She's also the only female to get clearly romantic scenes with him, in contrast to the others. Aigis does get a lot of scenes in vanilla Persona 3 near the end, but they're not romantic on their own.
Exactly. Hell, the game even pushes both Chie and Yukiko on a New Game Plus mode through gameplay options.
Says the person who posts long, rambling posts, about that very subject.
I didn't mean in terms of canon, just what I felt the most keenly, back when I played it for the first time.
She's definitely not as concrete as Yukari, but I always got the sense that the story was pushing her the strongest. But that said, perhaps that speaks more to her character, where a situation does need to be contrived for her at the beginning, simply because of her personality.
Also, there is the fact that she is the first real dungeon, so her character does get a lot of focus upfront.
The problem there is that the game unquestionably and factually pushes Rise the strongest, in terms of sheer scene count. She flirts with the protagonist almost every chance she gets, romance or not.
The problem there is that the game unquestionably and factually pushes Rise the strongest, in terms of sheer scene count. She flirts with the protagonist almost every chance she gets, romance or not.
Yeah, Rise is the most overt, in that she's the only character who actually exhibits romantic feelings outside of s-link scenes, whereas everyone else does tend to dwell in a emotional ghetto. So in as much as you do get that odd disconnect between story and romance (which makes zero sense as certain points), Rise is luckily exempt from that.
That's her personality though, so even if feelings aren't reciprocated, it doesn't create any dissonance for that to be included in story scenes. She's establishing her dominance with her overtures towards Yu, and she is pretty much the alpha-female of the group. For as much as Chie postures, her resolve does crumble pretty quickly, and Yukiko and Naoto are, by their own accounts, pretty introverted. Rise joins the group later than all but one, and she knows how this game's played!
But of course, my opinion on this is deeply coloured by my initial impressions, which of course, are strongly directed towards Yukiko. She gets that strong push, and I somewhat resented the character, for that reason.
P5 MC then went on to stunt on errybody
Anyway, instead of ranking women, let's talk about how awesome Meguro is instead. Because I think he went all out on P3P's new songs:
Time
Danger Zone
Also, super bonus: I think Spider's String from DDS is a heavily underrated and amazing song. Hope we get some mellow, jammy songs like this in P5. DDS is his best work and Persona goes for a different angle, but since P5 seems to have a lounge-y slant, I'd love to see his more progressive sound. P4 had The Almighty, which came really close, but I'd like even more.
Anyway, instead of ranking women, let's talk about how awesome Meguro is instead. Because I think he went all out on P3P's new songs:
Time
Danger Zone
Also, super bonus: I think Spider's String from DDS is a heavily underrated and amazing song. Hope we get some mellow, jammy songs like this in P5. DDS is his best work and Persona goes for a different angle, but since P5 seems to have a lounge-y slant, I'd love to see his more progressive sound. P4 had The Almighty, which came really close, but I'd like even more.