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In a way, couldn't it be victim blaming to say Kenji should be interested in Rio because of what a dumbass he is? That said, he is one. I remember hanging out with him, and he started talking about how he was going to get romantic advice from a manga he read. I told him he'd be disappointed if he thought it'd work, and he said "But it worked in the manga!". It then said our relationship was in a rut, and all I could think was "Dang it Kenji! This is why nobody likes you!"

Europe actually got that as their FES Boxart.

I'm actually more used to seeing that art since I used the game manual for its fusion chart (started getting useless for the more complicated fusions though).

 

[CrimsonFist]

Europe actually got that as their FES Boxart.

and the append art for our instruction manual.

 

[A Dead Diehard]

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In a way, couldn't it be victim blaming to say Kenji should be interested in Rio because of what a dumbass he is? That said, he is one. I remember hanging out with him, and he started talking about how he was going to get romantic advice from a manga he read. I told him he'd be disappointed if he thought it'd work, and he said "But it worked in the manga!". It then said our relationship was in a rut, and all I could think was "Dang it Kenji! This is why nobody likes you!"

Oh my god, no wonder I forgot so much of this game!

 

[Sophia]

and the append art for our instruction manual.

US manual has both sets of arts on it. :O

 

[OranSky]

Why?

was he worst than Kenji-ass?

I don't really see the hate for Kenji but then again he was the first S. Link i maxed so I guess im bias on him. Nozomi on the other hand was not. He was nothing but a delusional cowered and I hated having to waist time on him.

No worries, the other Japanese boxart is like 50 times better

Oh yeah, that's the stuff.

 

[Modest Mauser]

1) but thats what many of the non party member social links are, like Ai

2) kanji is the most schlocky troped character. Ive seen way too many

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tough guys witha super soft side. Hes done well enough, but hes the least interesting character for it.

Yo are you calling Kanji more of a tropey character than Marie? I don't even know how to respond to that

 

[PK Gaming]

Yo are you calling Kanji more of a tropey character than Marie? I don't even know how to respond to that

He bias

 

[TheMrPliskin]

Yo are you calling Kanji more of a tropey character than Marie? I don't even know how to respond to that

You respond in the only way that you can respond when someone claims that Kanji isn't the best, you post the below image and then they realise how wrong they are.

 

[Aadrian1234]

I don't really see the hate for Kenji but then again he was the first S. Link i maxed so I guess im bias on him. Nozomi on the other hand was not. He was nothing but a delusional cowered and I hated having to waist time on him.

Kenji was also my first max S. Link because of the Magician arcana

I still really don't like Kenji

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Yo are you calling Kanji more of a tropey character than Marie? I don't even know how to respond to that

yes, Kanji's trope extends to every form of media and genre. Marie's is mroe limited to sci fi and fantasy, and mainly anime

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Kenji was also my first max S. Link because of the Magician arcana

I still really don't like Kenji

I think he was most people's first.

 

[vicissitudes]

I think he was most people's first.

Yup, Kenji popped my cherry.

 

[Lunar15]

I think he was most people's first.

Which is awful if you think about it.

EDIT: WHOA WAIT WHO'S TALKING SHIT ABOUT KANJI

 

[King Gilgamesh]

yes, Kanji's trope extends to every form of media and genre. Marie's is mroe limited to sci fi and fantasy, and mainly anime

I really hate to aknowledge that there's any truth to this, so I'm just gonna post what the other guy did

 

[Spectrasonic]

Ok that image was starting to become unsettling.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Yup, Kenji popped my cherry.

Which is awful if you think about it.

I bet you two feel violated.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Yup, Kenji popped my cherry.

But damn if did not make dungeons and future S links easier.

 

[Squire]

yes, Kanji's trope extends to every form of media and genre. Marie's is mroe limited to sci fi and fantasy, and mainly anime

That's because Kanji's trope is good and relatable (and almost emblemic of P4s core themes) and Marie's is bad.

It's more like Kanji is a based on s trope that can and often is used to forge a great character while Marie's most typically begets tired cliches.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

I can relate to Kanji more because I like cute animals and afraid of girls. (kinda)

 

[Modest Mauser]

yes, Kanji's trope extends to every form of media and genre. Marie's is mroe limited to sci fi and fantasy, and mainly anime

I guess that's my issue with Marie. I love the cast of P4 because they come across as a group of real kids. Marie feels like she accidentally wandered in from some anime.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

That's because Kanji's trope is good and relatable (and almost emblemic of P4s core themes) and Marie's is bad.

It's more like Kanji is a based on s trope that can and often is used to forge a great character while Marie's most typically begets tired cliches.

see, I dont find kanji relateable at all. I just find him incredibly tired. Marie I find fun and entertaining and sympathetic.

The only persona characters I find relatable are Yosuke and Naoto, everyone else that I enjoy its without any relatability.

 

[Jintor]

see, I dont find kanji relateable at all. I just find him incredibly tired. Marie I find fun and entertaining and sympathetic.

wow, you'd think kanji's "I like a thing people think a person like me shouldn't" would be an easier relate than marie's more anime "I'm not a real human!" but there you go

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

wow, you'd think kanji's "I like a thing people think a person like me shouldn't" would be an easier relate than marie's more anime "I'm not a real human!" but there you go

I didnt say marie was relatable, just that kanji wasnt. And if you want to boil down someones issue that far then sure,e veryones relatable, but kanjis is "Im a tough guy that enjoys things I shouldnt based on stereotypes so I try super hard to hide it", which doesnt resonate with me at all, and even at the basic way you wrote it, no its still not relatable to me

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

Europe actually got that as their FES Boxart.

And in return we also got a really fucking awful PAL transfer.

 

[cj_iwakura]

And in return we also got a really fucking awful PAL transfer.

I think it's safe to say that Persona 3 and FES each have the distinct dishonor of being the worst covers Atlus USA have ever done.

I get what they were going for, but it just looks cheap.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

I made up an conspiracy about Marie.

Like what if they were going to make the next Persona protagonist her instead of being in Golden; but they got cold feet because of reasons.

I should write this on Tumblr or something.

 

[King Gilgamesh]

Like what if they were going to make the next Persona protagonist her instead of being in Golden; but they got cold feet because of reasons.

I could believe it, she's the only character who's more of a Mary Sue than Yu "I'm so fresh you can suck my nuts" Narukami.

 

[Jintor]

I didnt say marie was relatable, just that kanji wasnt. And if you want to boil down someones issue that far then sure,e veryones relatable, but kanjis is "Im a tough guy that enjoys things I shouldnt based on stereotypes so I try super hard to hide it", which doesnt resonate with me at all, and even at the basic way you wrote it, no its still not relatable to me

you've led a lucky life

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

you've led a lucky life

hahahahahaha, no

 

[PK Gaming]

Which is awful if you think about it.

EDIT: WHOA WAIT WHO'S TALKING SHIT ABOUT KANJI

Not just shit talk, but straight up imply that Marie is a better character than Kanji

Which is just...

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

yes, Kanji's trope extends to every form of media and genre. Marie's is mroe limited to sci fi and fantasy, and mainly anime

I think we are talking about different layers of trope here. If you viewed Kanji's character in a very general "tough guy hiding a soft side to keep appearance," then Marie's is also just a run-of-the-mill "introverted girl feeling isolated because everyone else is different". Their main difference is in how they are conveyed.

With Kanji, the writers chose to be more down-to-earth, with layers of interactions between Kanji and his environment. I feel that the dialogues coming from it are fresher and more nuanced compared to the usual stuff from the Teen-demographic Japanese entertainment media, and that appeal to me more. With Marie, on the other hand, the writers chose to keep her interactions on the surface level but wrapped it in a story of an amnesiac god. I'm guessing this fantastical element excites and appeals to you more.

 

[King Gilgamesh]

If you viewed Kanji's character in a very general "tough guy hiding a soft side to keep appearance," then Marie's is also just a run-of-the-mill "introverted girl feeling isolated because everyone else is different".

This is not true at all and you know it. Mostly because

"introverted girl feeling isolated because everyone else is different"

doesn't accurately describe Marie at all.

Marie is the "oh I'm so tsundere about having friends, why does everyone like me???" character.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

This is not true at all and you know it. Mostly because

doesn't accurately describe Marie at all.

Marie is the "oh I'm so tsundere about having friends, why does everyone like me???" character.

Eh, most "tsundere" characters push people away because they feel they don't fit. It's why the "dere" usually comes very easily when they finally feel accepted.

 

[King Gilgamesh]

Eh, most "tsundere" characters push people away because they feel they don't fit. It's why the "dere" usually comes very easily when they finally feel accepted.

 

[Jintor]

hahahahahaha, no

shadowsoldier89... had a hard life...

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

shadowsoldier89... had a hard life...

I have no idea why you are trying to force this, but its not something appropriate for this thread, if you really want to do this though, PM me

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Asking for facts in a reading of character trope is rather weird... Would you mind explaining more on what you're looking for?

 

[Jintor]

I have no idea why you are trying to force this, but its not something appropriate for this thread, if you really want to do this though, PM me

sorry, just joking around.

back on the topic though, I feel like a reading of kanji only as 'tough guy soft core' is a pretty surface level reading.

 

[PK Gaming]

I have no idea why you are trying to force this, but its not something appropriate for this thread, if you really want to do this though, PM me

It's a reference to Metal Gear, haha

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

It's a reference to Metal Gear, haha

oh...considering im playing MGSV right now...I probably shouldve caught that

 

[Jintor]

I feel like I like the idea of Marie, but the execution is incredibly hampered because she's just... brought in. She feels like an add-on character and it really ruins whatever message her story is trying to push.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

I could believe it, she's the only character who's more of a Mary Sue than Yu "I'm so fresh you can suck my nuts" Narukami.

Yeah.

Didn't she have grey eyes once? like the other protags had them too.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Please tell me a couple of you guys aren't seriously considering the possibility that Marie was considered to be a Persona main protagonist.

 

[Jintor]

i'm considering the possibilty of shutupihateyoustupidfluxwavejerk

 

[cj_iwakura]

Please tell me a couple of you guys aren't seriously considering the possibility that Marie was considered to be a Persona main protagonist.

Well since the male protagonist uses Izanagi... Marie was a major wasted opportunity. We should've had a Izanami link instead.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Please tell me a couple of you guys aren't seriously considering the possibility that Marie was considered to be a Persona main protagonist.

No?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

No?

That's great. It's getting hard to tell.

 

[King Gilgamesh]

Asking for facts in a reading of character trope is rather weird... Would you mind explaining more on what you're looking for?

It's just that what you said is incredibly, eh, rare when it comes to tsunderes. Like, if you could provide some examples, that would be great.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

That's great. It's getting hard to tell.

You know how it gets around here.

 

[Jintor]

It's just that what you said is incredibly, eh, rare when it comes to tsunderes. Like, if you could provide some examples, that would be great.

taiga/toradora springs immediately to mind