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Persona Community Thread |OT8| Coming Winter 2014
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Hm, are you perhaps underestimating the significance of the impact homogeneity has on Japanese society and how they perceive outliers? Because you're making it sound like a beauty with blonde hair and blue eyes is perceived the same way in Japan as in Western society, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.
When (Persona 4 spoiler)
Teddie's human form was created, its design was influenced by the Western perception of beauty, to keep the "foreign" origins of Teddie throughout his human form.
Is it? I actually don't know much about that other than their direct association with Western culture in Japanese media, and the rest comes from the typical information one hears about outliers and racism in the country.
If so, then that's a valid point, though I'm not sure Anne's an outlier because she has American blood.
TurnipFritters
Member
I think Teddie being white is funny because it makes me imagine Yosuke trying to explain all of Teddie's idiosyncrasies to his parents/managers/basically everyone as "He's American" and then everyone being like "Oh, that explains it."
Embed not images into this thread, for if you do you will soon be dead.
Embed not images into this thread, for if you do you will soon be dead.
Maybe, just maybe, there's another reason people avoid her. Maybe it just appears it's her foreign nature, but perhaps there's something she did to cause people to be weird around her.
Either way, we don't know the full story yet.
EDIT: I just noticed those statues of butts in the background of that boss fight.
Either way, we don't know the full story yet.
EDIT: I just noticed those statues of butts in the background of that boss fight.
Remember this thread's rule.
Yep, it's about the embed. No embedding images, especially since that's a boss.
We can't really openly talk about plot points from the new media, either, and that's approaching the danger territory.
Being a "half-breed" in Japan probably does make her a huge social outcast, actually. Probably not so much as she would be if she were of another ethnicity.
The reality in Japan is that you're either Japanese (in race, looks, and nationality) or you're not. And if you're not, you always have to deal with the fact that you're not, and every person you meet will likely remind you of that in some way.
Starting to think we need a "READ THE OP" in the topic title now.
We've been occasionally skirting the line on the first rule a bit, especially in regards to stuff that's displayed clearly in the profiles and in regards to speculation. But Rules 2 and 3 have been firmly enforced barring a few cases of people forgetting or not reading the OP.
Misread.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Thing is, Anne is on the player's HUD in that screenshot.
Some kind of Shadow Battle? (I hope they dont reuse that from P4 - it was good once, twice, not so much.)
Only link to the images, please. I wonder if it's really her, because she is also in the active party.
KenjiGlove
Banned
That picture has spelled "seven deadly sins" all over it
I never thought of it liked that. Still, wouldn't Anne have to dye her hair anyway? She's only a quarter. It's a bit strange.
Reanimatoin
Member
This cannot be stated enough. The amount of gun jumping based on 2 sentences and a character design is astonishing.
Its like people have 0 confidence in P.Team's writing anymore.
John Hardin talked about how someone spit on him for being white when he went to Japan at one point, even though most of the people there he's met have been kind.
I think most of us do. These community threads have always had skepticism from a few regarding anything involving P Studio, whether it's character design, writing, gameplay, story, music or anything else. This becomes especially prevalent when we're exposed to brand new things in the series for a brand new game.
StarSketch
Banned
She got really "lucky" and the super recessive gene popped out.
Of course not. Like I mentioned earlier, there are advantages and disadvantages to being a beauty with blond hair and blue eyes in Japan. I just don't believe for a second that people would avoid her, especially in a culture that highly values natural blond hair, great hair and pale skin. I mean jesus, Lisa's entire character ran counter to this; people wouldn't stop getting in her face about her ethnicity to the point where it made her self-conscious and lonely. Not fitting in was an important aspect of Lisa's character as well, but they didn't contrive a scenario where she was a social pariah (in fact she was one of the most popular kids in school)
And the best/worst part is that Anne is 3/4th's Japanese.
Exactly.
That's what i'm currently banking on. Hopefully that, or her personality contributes to her isolation.
I think Soejima's coloring is trying to illustrate that Ryuji dyes, but Anne is natural. I forgot about the 3/4th part though, that is weird.
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Seriously though, o completely agree.
You seem frustrated to an extent you rarely are. There's going to be more to Anne than hair color and genetics, man. Keep the faith.
Hm, then I'm with Reanimatoin here and I think you're fully jumping the gun on this one. We barely know anything about her except for two sentences off of the third-hand character profile info from an unreliable narrator. You're making a lot of assumptions about how people actually treat her or how she feels where she lives.
Yeah, that's a fantastic example of what I mean. And even the people who are nice are unknowingly going to remind you that you're a foreigner, even if it's in reaction differently when meeting you for the first time. It's the unfortunate nature of having monocultural society.
I'm actually kind of glad that they're re-tackling the subject matter too. It's more relevant than ever to modern Japan.
Like I said. Rules 2/3 have been enforced fairly consistently and without much issue. Someone makes a mistake, we kindly remind them to remove it. Rule 1 is pretty much a lost cause at this point tho. People are already discussing plot points openly with no spoiler tags.
It's kind of an odd rule to enforce too, seeing as anyone not watching the trailers is also very likely not visiting this thread anymore for complete media blackout.
Ryuuji's hair is definitely "kanji'd". He's a delinquent, so he bleached it.
I think the other reason they made him blonde and the other guy brown haired is because the MC's hair is black. Soejima likes to make his MC's stand out.
There's actually a ton of awesome subtleties in the designs. I think the reason MC has black hair this time is because that's really common. MC's design is built around him being completely unassuming. He wears his school outfit with no flair, he's got big glasses which make him look vulnerable, and his hair covers his eyes making him seem closed off.
Alternatively, his "partners in crime" all seem to stick out like sore thumbs, they're already "delinquents". In many ways, it's the opposite of P4. In that game, Yu was stylish and manly to drive home the point that he was definitely not from around Inaba, while his friends were all somewhat plainer looking, wearing track jackets and knitted sweaters.
I think the other reason they made him blonde and the other guy brown haired is because the MC's hair is black. Soejima likes to make his MC's stand out.
There's actually a ton of awesome subtleties in the designs. I think the reason MC has black hair this time is because that's really common. MC's design is built around him being completely unassuming. He wears his school outfit with no flair, he's got big glasses which make him look vulnerable, and his hair covers his eyes making him seem closed off.
Alternatively, his "partners in crime" all seem to stick out like sore thumbs, they're already "delinquents". In many ways, it's the opposite of P4. In that game, Yu was stylish and manly to drive home the point that he was definitely not from around Inaba, while his friends were all somewhat plainer looking, wearing track jackets and knitted sweaters.
Heh, you're probably right. I mean it's Hashino; the guy has definitely got vision and he's only gotten better as the games have gone along. Hopefully he delivers.
I know i'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, but I think her "You're a strange person, aren't you? Even though everybody avoids/ignores me, you..." quote definitely gives me a leg to stand on. Unless she's lying and part of her problems include a persecution complex. Man, that would be cool.
Well, that's the thing. "Foreigner" isn't the only reason people avoid someone. Ryuji's also talking about how no one cares about what he has to say. She might be part American without it actually being a significant factor regarding who she actually is at all. Maybe it's a factor, but she let it become one herself and—similar to what you say—she has some sort of complex about it that causes her to put up a front and antagonize those she's around because she feels like she doesn't belong, even though those around her don't really care (again, this would support the Deadly Sins theory if she was "Envy").
TurnipFritters
Member
Everyone avoids her because foreigners look directly at your face when speaking and then sue you when you make eye contact.
Hmm, I guess there are different ways of looking at it. I would definitely really like it if her character followed the route you described, and it seems like a possibility now that I think about it. Though we're in pure, wild speculation territory so i'll drop it for now.
Anyway sorry about that guys, I didn't mean to bring the mood down with my negativity.
Nah, it's all fair points, and if there's one thing I don't like, it's a constant circle jerk.
I'm not exactly expecting Shakespearean writing, but it'll probably be fun with some surprising moments of depth and poignancy. That's Persona for me.
Not the best image but:
http://personacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Anne-Takamaki-Flames-720x340.jpg
You can see the same statues/pillars in the background. So, proably, yea.
And so did Vincent. P5MC = Vincent confirmed.
Noted. He runs around school without them in his pockets, though.
Given that she's actively participating in the fight, maybe that's where she first awakens to her Persona, and the boss there (is that the guy who sprouts Fly wings? Are we seeing P5's Beelzebub?) is possibly her stalker. That would tie into PV02's scene where someone reaches out to a scared Anne with Ryuji and the MC reacting to it.
properpropaganda
Member
So did Makoto and I think Yu did as well, no?
Theodoricos
Member
XD
But seriously, given that Persona 5's visuals are strikingly similar to Catherine's, and that it's Atlus of course, I expect (and I hope) that we'll be seeing a Catherine-related cameo in the game.
Ah crap, I think I've looked too deep and inferred too much because of all this talk about Anne and a dungeon. I guess here's what I've come up with:
I can't recall if P3MC did the same.
Either way, like Vincent: Awesome.
Yeah, guess we're on a similar track.
I gotta start ignoring these discussions more intently.
- Anne has a stalker: http://i.imgur.com/Ru02h7d.jpg
- Either one or both of Anne's sound bites on her character page refer to this person. "1: You’re a strange person, aren’t you? Even though everybody avoids/ignores me, you…." for when she first meets him, or "2: I’m not so cheap a woman that someone like YOU could just do as he pleases" when she comes to dislike him.
- When in PV#03 Anne says "You're not human! You're just a demon who craves relationship!" she's directly speaking to that boss that has a form of her in its cup: https://36.media.tumblr.com/0da32aa7a1c2b1ae481c3d6ec576fae7/tumblr_nuvgmaXevK1sutdsuo3_400.png
- That boss is the stalker, and given its a boss, it's presumably the climax of a dungeon, or one of them.
- The stalker is obviously a human, so this means that the boss represents that stalker's "heart" and that the dungeon—or that section of it—revolves around it.
- When Anne is calling that boss a "demon," she still means it figuratively, even though she's talking to a monstrosity. She's talking to the warped heart of her stalker, debasing him by calling him a "demon."
- Either one or both of Anne's sound bites on her character page refer to this person. "1: You’re a strange person, aren’t you? Even though everybody avoids/ignores me, you…." for when she first meets him, or "2: I’m not so cheap a woman that someone like YOU could just do as he pleases" when she comes to dislike him.
- When in PV#03 Anne says "You're not human! You're just a demon who craves relationship!" she's directly speaking to that boss that has a form of her in its cup: https://36.media.tumblr.com/0da32aa7a1c2b1ae481c3d6ec576fae7/tumblr_nuvgmaXevK1sutdsuo3_400.png
- That boss is the stalker, and given its a boss, it's presumably the climax of a dungeon, or one of them.
- The stalker is obviously a human, so this means that the boss represents that stalker's "heart" and that the dungeon—or that section of it—revolves around it.
- When Anne is calling that boss a "demon," she still means it figuratively, even though she's talking to a monstrosity. She's talking to the warped heart of her stalker, debasing him by calling him a "demon."
I can't recall if P3MC did the same.
Either way, like Vincent: Awesome.
Yeah, guess we're on a similar track.
I gotta start ignoring these discussions more intently.
Ganzlinger
Member
Every western character in Japanese media is blonde. In Persona we have Lisa, Bebe and now Anne. lol
And where did this talk about her being 3/4 Japanese came from?
And where did this talk about her being 3/4 Japanese came from?
Reanimatoin
Member
Note to self: stop clicking spoiler tagged stuff.
So used to just reading up everything in thos thread since I've already played it, but now....
I really want to go in as blind as possible.
So used to just reading up everything in thos thread since I've already played it, but now....
I really want to go in as blind as possible.
It's mentioned in her profile on the TGS website.
Ganzlinger
Member
It would be more believable if she was 3/4 foreigner.
It's weird that it's not that.
Aadrian1234
Banned
Hardin is one of the best PR managers i have ever seen, i highly doubt he's hiding stuff. The amount of people here who THINK they know how stuff is handled between closed doors is staggering, though.
I just want a P3 Definitive version, but i won't say no to an updated version either
Been wanting this for a loooong time
i haven't watched PV3 yet (cause i'm a lazy bastard) but Anne and Morgana seem like character's i'd like alot. Possibly Ryuji if he has his (Vague P3 spoiler)
"Junpei moments"
I ain't taking no avatar bets. Aigis forever
Just the idea of the cast being misfits alone is going to be exciting. We've always had one or two character types like it, but never the entire cast. If nothing else, it'll be very different from previous Persona games.
The only way to win an avatar bet is to either not play or ensure you win even if you lose.
Yep, i already love the themes they've been showing that
focus around society
Yes, he ran around with hands in pockets, it was one of his movement animations
Also holy crap, 5+ pages in half a day, i can't remember a time PGAF burned through pages faster (other than before i joined)
Oh, so then that's a no. I forgot if P3MC took his hands out of his pockets like the P5MC does specifically when he has to run.
Edit: Wait, you're wrong. I'm watching gameplay footage right now and the P3MC takes his hands out of his pockets when he runs, just like the P5MC.
That sounds right, though I was mainly concerned with if he ever took his hands out to run. I wonder if P5MC will be the same. Not being able to have the P4MC stick his hands in his pockets was one of the things I disliked the most when I started playing P4!
Ganzlinger
Member
Yeah, he definitely has two animations for running.
To echo everyone else, yeah: two animations.
Anywho, safe to assume that MC's main weapon is a chain, right? Not sure why, but the way he uses it in the trailer gives me that impression. I used to think it was how he summoned his persona, but now we know that's it's the masks. It could still be symbolic, like he holds it for every persona he uses, however it's the fact that he whips it at the screen that makes me think that it's actually his primary melee weapon.
I completely forgot: His main weapon is a dagger. We've known this since PV01.
That leads me into another thing: No one holds their weapons while running in the dungeon. If that's the case, how are pre-emptive strikes initiated?
I completely forgot: His main weapon is a dagger. We've known this since PV01.
That leads me into another thing: No one holds their weapons while running in the dungeon. If that's the case, how are pre-emptive strikes initiated?
You're forgetting that everyone's main weapon was already confirmed in PV01. P5MC uses knives and short swords. Anne uses a whip. Ryuji uses blunt weapons (he's seen using a steel pipe). Morgana uses swords.
I caught myself.
I'm falling into over-analyzation mode with this game. I might truly need to go full blackout after this weekend.
Reanimatoin
Member
And the guns were;
MC - Pistol
Ryuji - Shotgun
Anne - SMG
Morgana - Slingshot
Right?
Calling it now, fox guy will have a paintball gun.
MC - Pistol
Ryuji - Shotgun
Anne - SMG
Morgana - Slingshot
Right?
Calling it now, fox guy will have a paintball gun.
Dont take this seriously
Check the developer interview gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLYUlWvyNu8
When the P5MC approaches an enemy, a prompt to attack comes up and his stance changes.
Not sure sniper rifle would fit for whatever that rushdown move is, but I'm guessing he'll have a firearm known for precision and/or nobility.