sackboy2197
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Persona Community Thread |OT9| SPOILER TAGS OR DIE
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Yeah, I noticed this with the homeless people. It's cool, but would have been cooler to see a bit more of. I thought there'd be more students living with Madarame.
This trend definitely continued with 3's boss. I mean, I get why they had to go after someone like that, but there's literally no personal connection at all and it makes
Makoto's
You do get to hear about more of his students once you reenter the Palace with Yusuke in your team. You have to check the cognitive portraits of his students in the beginning segment of Madarame's Palace.
Regarding the third Palace:
Yeah, it's definitely less personal this time. Palace 3 is pretty much my least favorite dungeon in the entire game for that reason so far, but I will remember the music and Makoto's awakening. However, I think it was cool to see how you can actually talk to Kaneshiro's underlings way before his arc starts in Shibuya.
Also, I feel like the game really wants to force the word "cognition", but I'm not sure it's the right word to use in a lot of these situations. It's one of the few clunky things about the translation that's remained past the first few hours.
That said, I'm not sure what the better word would be? They keep using it in sentences like "we have to change his cognition", but it's almost like that line should be changed entirely to sound better. Maybe subconscious would work better? Worldview? I dunno, cognition just sounds weird.
That said, I'm not sure what the better word would be? They keep using it in sentences like "we have to change his cognition", but it's almost like that line should be changed entirely to sound better. Maybe subconscious would work better? Worldview? I dunno, cognition just sounds weird.
It's weird, a little bit. Because there's a specific word they use in the Japanese version regarding cognitive existences, so I presume they use that word across the Japanese version. They've basically given term to a concept that's been present since Persona 1 and seen all over the place in Persona 2, but never explicitly named.
Perception, maybe?
It's just weird because I'm sure it's a concept that existed in previous games, but previous translations handled it better. I feel like the japanese language sometimes revolves around single words that grow to represent a larger concept and are re-used (english does too, but I've noticed this a lot in translations of japanese works). Like, someone saying "aura", but then using "aura" to mean something incredibly specific within that story's world and keeping it in quotations for the rest of the script.
Does that make any sense?
Sometimes it works, sometimes it sounds wonky. I don't have any specific examples on me, so it's hard to explain.
Well, the difference is that previous games didn't name the phenomenon specifically. So the translations didn't so much "handle it better" so much as they weren't naming it to begin with. I get what you mean tho by it sounding off a few times, although I don't think it's as bad as it could be.
eyeball_kid
Member
Not sure what y'all are talking about in relation to this, but from your example sentence, yeah that sounds pretty awkward; cognition deals more with awareness and understanding. Maybe "outlook" is what they were going for? But I imagine they wanted a word that sounded more intellectual and conceptual. I might have used something like "psyche".
Man, I decided to listen to P3 and P4's ost today and now I'm feeling super nostalgic. Signs of Love and Heartbeat, Heartbreak
specially got to me since I haven't heard them in a long time. Why won't Atlus free Golden from the Vita's cold grasp? I really want to play it 
Save me, Switch.
Maybe I should play one of the other Atlus PS2 titles I haven't touched yet, I really love all their games vibe/atmosphere from that era. Hopefully they'll start another golden age on the PS4.
(though I can never quite unhear "heartbeat, heartbeat dick keeps on pounding, heartbreak, heartbreak you tell me koopa")
Save me, Switch.
Maybe I should play one of the other Atlus PS2 titles I haven't touched yet, I really love all their games vibe/atmosphere from that era. Hopefully they'll start another golden age on the PS4.
But awareness and understanding are exactly what is meant in these instances.
eyeball_kid
Member
Okay, well it just sounds a bit awkward then. It's not a term a native English speaker would normally use like that.
I know it's reiterating what I've been saying for months now, but I really feel like the second half of the game felt more flat to me in part because it was less personal. I really lost interest in who the targets were and why. They just kind of come and go.
It gets better after the first section.
Also that DDS2 style music is tremendous.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
I'm not particularly far, but one thing I like about the less personal dungeons is that the story structure is different enough to keep me interested. The story of the first dungeon is very personal, but the presentation was straight forward. I think the next dungeons are interesting because of the structure leading up to them. For example,
I liked getting strong-armed by Makoto into investigating Kaneshiro, only to have to bail her out when she went "supercop."
I hope so.
It's definitely been a downer trying to figure out which guard is which, especially because the save point is so far away from each area, and there's two loading screens in between that cause enemies to respawn. To say nothing of the enemy who is on fire. I ran into them and basically died in one hit. >_>;
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
What the heck does black gear do? About to send the calling card for the 4th palace and I've picked up a black dagger, armour and a couple of accessories - which only the MC can equip, and which seem useless.
I've done a few fights wearing it all as the description says something about being transmogrified but it hasn't done anything to either the MC or to the enemies I'm fighting. I wondered if it was a rare status effect like (palace 4 spoilers)
?
I've done a few fights wearing it all as the description says something about being transmogrified but it hasn't done anything to either the MC or to the enemies I'm fighting. I wondered if it was a rare status effect like (palace 4 spoilers)
Mot turning party members into rats
CrimsonFist
Member
You can use the electric chair in the velvet room to turn certain personas into gear, you need them for that. Can't remember when it unlocks though.
They are for transforming Personas into items. In order to transform a Persona, you need one of those items.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Thanks - I'm assuming that will unlock soon given I'm starting to get quite the collection here.
Just finished the game around 82 hours, played on Normal. It is easily the best PS4 game
Obviously mechanically
P5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other persona game
(also lets just establish this P4G > 3 in every way)
It is kind of hard to tell how I feel about the story and characters in comparison to P4G. I want to say P5 was less "emotionally resonate" than P4G. I loved Persona 5's characters but I didn't I can't say I'm going to miss them in the same way I was incredibly sad at the end of P4G.
Also I want to mention something specific about the final boss that kind of fell flat in comparison to Persona 3 (other than the music lol) and some the themes of the games
Presentation is obviously better as well. Story maybe. Confidants were great.
Music, I'm going to have to give that one to P4G. They really needed a daily life refresh of the music about halfway through the game.
Yusuke is best boy. Ryuji is great. Morgana >>>>>>>> Teddy. Ann was great. Makoto is great and will probably choose to date her on my 2nd playthrough. Futaba is amazing. Sojiro is up there with Dojima as "awesome video game dads" Why is Haru even here?
Let me date dudes next time. Bring on Persona 6.
Obviously mechanically
P5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other persona game
(also lets just establish this P4G > 3 in every way)
It is kind of hard to tell how I feel about the story and characters in comparison to P4G. I want to say P5 was less "emotionally resonate" than P4G. I loved Persona 5's characters but I didn't I can't say I'm going to miss them in the same way I was incredibly sad at the end of P4G.
Also I want to mention something specific about the final boss that kind of fell flat in comparison to Persona 3 (other than the music lol) and some the themes of the games
The way that the boss kept introducing the 7 Deadly Sins felt incredibly similar to how Persona 3 had the stages of the 13 arcana. Except it really didn't feel as relevant, nor as epic. When it started occurring I thought "oh yeah the palace owners are based off the Deadly Sins." But the main problem with that is Madarame, Kaneshiro, and Okumura all feel like they are motivated by money and greed. Gluttony is loosely related but, it felt like a weird themeing device that doesn't entirely fit what was presented. Like they also said Futaba's palace was wrath according to the trophy, but when they mention taking her heart it was sloth? Such a weird thing. Also having both vanity and lust, but whatever.
Presentation is obviously better as well. Story maybe. Confidants were great.
Music, I'm going to have to give that one to P4G. They really needed a daily life refresh of the music about halfway through the game.
Yusuke is best boy. Ryuji is great. Morgana >>>>>>>> Teddy. Ann was great. Makoto is great and will probably choose to date her on my 2nd playthrough. Futaba is amazing. Sojiro is up there with Dojima as "awesome video game dads" Why is Haru even here?
Let me date dudes next time. Bring on Persona 6.
I don't disagree with you here, but to clarify:
Wrath was the Sphinx, Sloth was Futaba.
eyeball_kid
Member
I was annoyed that Mishima (5/20) said
the Phantom Thieves would take care of the bully on his site before even asking me, and the game didn't even give me an option to tell him he screwed up. And then he told the changed heart pupil to meet me in person?? And I don't have any choice about that, either! No wonder they got caught! This group is pretty incompetent at keeping secret identities.
TurnipFritters
Member
The addition of perks for every Social Link is a good one (heck I'd go so far to say it's a great addition - it certainly makes me more willing to spend time with people like Mishina), but man Devil sure drew the short end of the stick, huh. Everything else at least has some utility, but Devil is like,
Also I just realized (Assorted Slink spoilers)
Mementos is dull and I would buy the DLC if it meant I could change the music there.
"here is a thing to help with something that should never ever be an issue for you"
Also I just realized (Assorted Slink spoilers)
the reason I haven't been able to rank up Temperance yet is because I need to rank up Hierophant so I can learn to make curry in the first place. Whoops.
Mementos is dull and I would buy the DLC if it meant I could change the music there.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Yeah, kind of a shame where the only real benefit is the max-rank Persona.
Told you. It's amazingly good.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWQFnC2zqU
don't worry it's a non spoiler joke thing, but has it been posted yet? because this might actually be the best thing.
don't worry it's a non spoiler joke thing, but has it been posted yet? because this might actually be the best thing.
Really glad I held off on listening to it. From Palace 2 onward, all the music has been fresh for me.
Price was also great, but Days When My Mother Was There is a whole new level. It's classic santana-jammin Meguro from DDS1.
As a side note: I would have swapped the exam theme (Life Goes On) with the daytime walking around theme (Tokyo Daylight).
I actually posted in here a few months ago that Life Goes On is P5's secret best track, haha.
Specialist was similarly excellent.
As a very cool aside that I've been waiting to tell everyone: Ryota Koduka's remix of Sunset Bridge busts into The Days When My Mother Was There halfway through, and I love it.
eyeball_kid
Member
Does the story get better after the 2nd palace? Right now I feel a bit ambivalent about what's going on. The palace is cool, but I don't feel very invested in the story. 2nd palace story discussion:
Even the characters (aside from Ryuji) are having doubts. Finally they hear about someone who committed suicide, and that's enough for Ann, but the game doesn't even introduce this character. So there's little emotional weight for me the player. Sure this artist is bad, but I feel like I'm going through the motions. Which is not how I felt with P3. Hopefully this gets better...
Palace 3 is worse in this regard, but palace 4 is pretty interesting.
I couldn't get invested in P3 until neat the end. If there was ever a game about going through the motions, it's that one. P5 starts tremendously strong but then is a bit of a roller coaster of investment, at least as far as I've played. It helps that I am a gigantic fan of the thief angle, no matter how corny it gets.
eyeball_kid
Member
I was invested in P3 from pretty much the start, all the way through. Even though it had some corny stuff, I got really attached to the characters, and I enjoyed the SMT-esque metaphysical narrative. It was smart, but also had a warmth to it.
I guess I'm just surprised about P5 because the first palace started so strong, and there was a heavy personal investment for the characters. At least the palaces are fun; hopefully the story will get more impactful again later.
I really like the beginning, then it becomes a little slow with palace 2 and 3, even though I love Yusuke and Makoto as new additions to your team. With palace 4 it picks up the pace and for me delivered until the very end.
The worst thing about palace 3 is how it's neither relevant to the main plot nor has a personal connection to Makoto.
As far as story goes in what is connected to the Palaces
1 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 2 > 3 > 5
Gameplay wise
6 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 3 >>>>> 5
Mind you, I still liked Palace 5 but I also got extremely lucky and got every puzzle on my first try,
The whole entire palace 5 is weak due to motivations surrounding it and how
adds very very little to group dynamic, though it was necessary to set up later things.
This is the first Persona game I've played where a ton of official remixes weren't available at immediately after playing. I want P5DAN or whatever to come out so I get more P5 music. Or just please announce a Reincarnation album.
1 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 2 > 3 > 5
Gameplay wise
6 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 3 >>>>> 5
Mind you, I still liked Palace 5 but I also got extremely lucky and got every puzzle on my first try,
even guessing which bosses for the first part
The whole entire palace 5 is weak due to motivations surrounding it and how
Haru
This is the first Persona game I've played where a ton of official remixes weren't available at immediately after playing. I want P5DAN or whatever to come out so I get more P5 music. Or just please announce a Reincarnation album.
eyeball_kid
Member
Uh...maybe everyone else already knew about those party additions, but that was a kind of a spoiler for me. :/
edit: Not blaming you, I know the OT lists the entire party, I had to scroll past that quickly. And I just saw even the manual lists the entire party -- I don't know why Atlus would want to spoil those surprises.
It's also in accordance with the rules of this community thread so I didn't think anything about that.
Also how exactly is that even a spoiler? When you don't know anything about the game then I fail to see how names without pictures are spoilers? Although the game doesn't even try to hide them as they're all depicted on the box art and the image when you start the game.
Edit: Atlus isn't trying to spoil anything. The party characters simply are not surprises. Trust me, when you first meet Yusuke you will know immediately that he's your next new party member. I mean you already learned the drill with Ann and Ryuji.
eyeball_kid
Member
I've met both of those characters where I'm at in the game and didn't think either one would turn out to be a party member, although I suspected Yusuke would simply because I could tell that was Matt Mercer's voice right away and knew he voiced one of the party.
Seeing who joins the party is a nice surprise for me, as it was in P3. If you don't think so that's fine, but it is for me. I think I should probably just stay out of all Persona threads until I'm done with the game though, as I seem to have different spoiler standards than others.
TheGeniusArcana
Member
They're fair game considering they have been openly shown to be members during prerelease, but specifying what point in the game you get them should probably be spoilered tbh.
snow in jamaica
Member
Every dungeon does a lot for me on an aesthetic and atmospheric level but it's hard for me to explain it...
It felt nice to see
in the fourth palace.
I thought this too! It reminded me of the factory.
Definitely my favorite track.
It felt nice to see
Isis, Thoth, and Anubis
I thought this too! It reminded me of the factory.
Definitely my favorite track.
As I said in the main thread, Palace 4 is basically doing what P4's dungeons tried to do but didn't have the budget for. It's taking the narrative and implementing it directly into the dungeon design.
Also, one thing I like about P5 is that, while there's no overarching mythology like with 3 and 4, the fact that there's SMT demons means that each dungeon itself can have a specific mythology that ties to the narrative.
Also, one thing I like about P5 is that, while there's no overarching mythology like with 3 and 4, the fact that there's SMT demons means that each dungeon itself can have a specific mythology that ties to the narrative.
It's kind of crazy because the game took me 87 hours to complete but I wish it was a bit longer I'm not a fan of the end where it
skips ahead a bunch of time. I know Persona 4 did this as well but it's something they addressed for Golden filling in some of those gaps. I just don't like how they say they're going to give you a whole year and then cut it short by a few months.
I really wish I hadn't spoiled myself silly when the JP version leaked and then read a bunch of different opinions since now I can't take the game seriously. But I really do like the characters even though Ryuji borders on being tstl.
They have to leave something for the eventual rerelease.
They have to leave something for the eventual rerelease.