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Persona Community Thread |OT9| SPOILER TAGS OR DIE
- Thread starter Dantis
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Jojo 6 has a female protagonist. We can dream about it!
inb4 we are doing links in a prison
A Dead Diehard
Member
I don't know if the opposite (japanese student to Korea) would work as well though because it runs the risk of being interpreted as "glorious nihonjin Jesus figure is unjustly mistreated by unhonorable foreigners while showing them the true way for greatness(friendship)". Kinda like the whole "white man learns the native's ways, bangs the chief's daughter and becomes their greatest leader" deal.
Oh god.
Yeah. None of that. Last thing we need is James Cameron's Persona.
I'm just glad Maya's being acknowledged. She's usually gone when people do fanart of the protagonists of the series. Now we have representatives from each entry.
P3 FeMC forever alone.
Apparently, Mephistopheles had a voice clip relating to Sho in ultimax?
A Dead Diehard
Member
Mediking
Member
I just wanna see masculinity addressed in a social link. Better writing than Kanji's. A more mature perspective on masculinity. It's hard to explain but I just wanna see how Atlus handles it.
Ann is facing racial tension in P5? Okay, I'll be sure to examine how Atlus handles that.
I'm like....... 75% sure we will be seeing a female Persona lead next time.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Not really. At least not in a meaningful way.
Mediking
Member
What a waste then. Atlus could've really done something special with racial tension with Ann.
A Dead Diehard
Member
"But not Too Foreign"
i don't want to give a definitive answer on the writing because i'm still at an elementary schooler comprehension level if that but from what I understand it's very much steady progress of the level of quality in P4 and addressing themes that would be more immediately relevant to the typical Japanese audience...
...which is to say, racism and LGBT issues are not really on the cards.
...which is to say, racism and LGBT issues are not really on the cards.
I've been trying to be in as big of media blackout for the US release for P5, but I've recently got a job again and I was wondering where I could buy the 20th Anniversary edition the cheapest? I looked at Playasia and its still $200+
If anybody has any good recommendations that would be great.
If anybody has any good recommendations that would be great.
Hey now, let's be fair. The game has a whole two gay comic relief middle aged pervs hitting on teens, and a drag queen bartender!
(The bartender's actually a pretty cool guy but my eyes rolled out my head whenever the other guys showed up)
Mediking
Member
Amazon-senpai says hi.
A Dead Diehard
Member
"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
I've been reading Shimanami Tasogare and it goes in on what it's like to be gay highschooler in Japan. The intense loneliness, anxiety, discrimination and social isolation is too much to bear.
It's heavy.
I know i'm repeating myself Persona 6 needs to cover this. If Persona is a franchise that prides itself on covering unspoken issues relating to Japanese culture, it definitely, definitely needs to cover this. No more dumb jokes. No more stalling. It needs to do this.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Too high.
Mediking
Member
Be optimistic, Gooch. There just has to be somebody on the Persona team whose like: "Alright.... now about a FEMALE lead....."
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Dunno about waste that's just not what her story is about.
I mean is it a waste that Yosuke's social link wasn't about the shitty side of capitalism and the people being caught between that and their morals?
Not that those topics wouldn't make interesting personal conflicts but if we call every single thing that a game doesn't do a missed opportunity or waste, not sure if I subscribe to this thought.
Mediking
Member
Its hard to explain because I want Atlus to address racism in the future in Persona. I kinda wished it was addressed with Ann but that doesn't mean she's trash. There's always next time.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I mean that's fine and not really what I was arguing I was simply pointing out that there is a difference between a wasted chance within a story and a story just being about something entirely else. Personal feelings don't really play into that judgement.
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I feel sometimes like Atlus won't want to have a female MC because of waifu culture, and not wanting to alienate their fanbase. But it's not just that, didn't one of their employees said in an interview that a female MC wouldn't fit into the themes and settings of SMT? Different series, but I could see the P team saying something similar.
This sounds interesting, and short in comparison to Wandering Son, so I should read it. People like to argue otherwise, but it feels like LGBT issues are becoming more mainstream(?). I mean, even BL is dealing more with characters actually being gay, and that genre is notorious for being unrealistic and even homophobic.
"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
I've been reading Shimanami Tasogare and it goes in on what it's like to be gay highschooler in Japan. The intense loneliness, anxiety, discrimination and social isolation is too much to bear.
It's heavy.
I know i'm repeating myself Persona 6 needs to cover this. If Persona is a franchise that prides itself on covering unspoken issues relating to Japanese culture, it definitely, definitely needs to cover this. No more dumb jokes. No more stalling. It needs to do this.
This sounds interesting, and short in comparison to Wandering Son, so I should read it. People like to argue otherwise, but it feels like LGBT issues are becoming more mainstream(?). I mean, even BL is dealing more with characters actually being gay, and that genre is notorious for being unrealistic and even homophobic.
A Dead Diehard
Member
This is true. Persona is more about relatability than social commentary, anyway.
But not really? Her issues was that people had a bunch of expectations because of how she looks, and that her dad wanted her to be some kind of Yamato Nadeshiko. She's also pretty popular and even becomes an idol.
FEH
Maybe "covering societal issues" was a poor choice of words on my part, but I've always felt that Persona's been about challenging the status quo in addition to writing stories that evoke empathy. And I think writing stories around a group of people who are marginalized would achieve both. You always harp on how much better and more "TLoU-like" you want Persona's narrative to be, so this should be a no brainer!
Yeah. Lisa's issue was more one of identity. Her parents wanted her to be the perfect Japanese lady. All her friends and other associates thought her American side was cool and always associated that with her. Meanwhile, she herself, is really obsessed with Chinese culture.
And yeah. I do agree that Persona's more about making relatable and everyday characters you can feel empathy more than specifically covering social issues even though they clearly have an interest such as attacking some traditional thinking here and there.
It had to be Dantis.....
You are correct, persona isnt a social issues checklist
Maybe "covering societal issues" was a poor choice of words on my part, but I've always felt that Persona's been about challenging the status quo in addition to writing stories that evoke empathy. And I think writing stories around a group of people who are marginalized would achieve both. You always harp on how much better and more "TLoU-like" you want Persona's narrative to be, so this should be a no brainer!
Im on the camp that believes that the characters that they wanted to write happened to align with japan society flaws,because that makes interesting narrative.
Hrm? I have been on media blackout for months now on P5.
Also, nice Asahi avatar! I'm playing through Apocalypse right now and am loving it.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Then someone in upper management will go "Ha!...No. Make him Yu Narukami 2.0"
Woah, roll that back. Nobody said anything about making it a social issues checklist. I just think maybe tackling one of the bigger issues in Japanese culture would be interesting, fun and relatable for many? Or I guess they could stick to making fun of gay people with stereotypes. That works too.
Yeah with the costume DLC, music and merch, it really feels like Atlus is making a conscious effort to reference the older games.
Apocalypse is great and Asahi is even greater~
Yeah. I don't see it happening with something as popular as a mainline entry without a choice. Maybe a spinoff like Catherine.
Even the Jojo author pretty much had his editors constantly telling him to lessen focus on female characters (maybe until part 4 anyway).
I assumed that wanting the game to tackled LGBT issues has more to with wanting a gay option, which would naturally lead to the game handling those issues. Unless they went the route of the stereotypical BL with characters being gfy. I feel like if a gay option happens anytime soon that it would probably be to pander to the fujoshi crowd, so gfy could be likelier.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I mean I guess they could. Look at the next Tales of. well, then again, Tales isn't as popular as Persona isn't it?
Tales gets a new entry almost every year, and it still took the latest entry to get a female protagonist. A near yearly release I would think also allows for a bit more experimentation. At least as far as Japan is concerned, comparing Persona popularity to Tales of is more comparable than to Final Fantasy.
Mediking
Member
Its sad because I just freaking know that Atlus has the potential to create a super awesome mainline female lead for Persona. She could even surpass Female (Mass Effect) Shepard's popularity. And female Shepard is far more popular than male Shepard.
Eh I don't know about that.
Female Shepard is like Female P3MC. One may get a lot more fanart, but statistics-wise, they're actually in the minority.
ME3 Spoiler warning: http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/9/2/1...dc5c8acb887c8439a179c6913759f9867a1c9ad09.jpg
A Dead Diehard
Member
And she's one of the more popular ones. Or at least more publicised.
P5 is a PS3 game that got an upres to PS4. No other changes
75 hours into ps3 and no problems so far
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
The only weird performance dip I ever experienced in P5 and actually on the PS4 is when you try to use the map in your own room. It somehow takes a second to load weirdly whereas it's pretty instant everywhere else.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
It's a native PS3 game so they run about the same.