buddha0991
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I have been saying this for a while. They dont even have to call it press turn in game, they can still throw up that One More! silly thing even!
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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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I have been saying this for a while. They dont even have to call it press turn in game, they can still throw up that One More! silly thing even!
ScraftyDevil
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I know this isn't what the conversation was about, but this encapsulates my thoughts perfectly. P4G is one my favourite games of all time, and I'm kind of tired of people (in general; not just in this thread) crapping all over it.
I love all of you guys; but sometimes your statements about this game don't make sense to me.
I never much cared for it, which wasn't helped by the fact it quickly became a non-issue, making it seem arbitrary and unnecessarily limiting. In terms of controlling your progress, the barriers within Tartarus already did that, so I was always a little bemused at what purpose it ultimately served.
It's just one of those mild nuisances that I reminded of whenever I start a new playthrough.
Honestly, now that I've played P2:IS now(and am working through EP), the fusion skill system is as broken, or more broken, than 1 More ever was. If anything, I played through most of IS on auto-battle. Not much thought with the current system of 1 More, but still more than the originals.
Come to think of it, really need to play through Nocturne next(keep stopping halfway as a non-existent story always makes me reach for something else). Haven't had much experience with the Press Turn system.
Come to think of it, really need to play through Nocturne next(keep stopping halfway as a non-existent story always makes me reach for something else). Haven't had much experience with the Press Turn system.
buddha0991
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oh I know how broken Fusion Skills are in P2 lol. I would like a rework and re add to P5 of them though.
The fatigue mechanic always felt kind of sloppy in it implementation, like one of those MMO systems that only allowed you to play your character for a certain amount of time before they needed rest. (Not that P3 does it quite like that)
Also folks, here's the questions post for Episode 6 with Dacidbro. If you could share it I'd greatly appreciate it.
Perhaps a variation of the system that if you hit the enemy's weakness/strength, it always goes to the next party member?
Basically Press turn, but with no limits on how many turns you can get, as long as your party as a whole can exploit weaknesses.
Yeah, it wasn't handled very well. There was too much information not given to the player, and it seemed to magically increase as the game went along. I liked the system itself tho, so I wouldn't mind seeing it return, but maybe it's because I grew up on older D&D RPGs where you had to eat and drink every so often.
CrazyTank940
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Eh, I didn't care for the fatigue in the beginning because it's only so little before you hit the mark, but then as you get a full party it takes much more work to get fatigued. Then again, the problem I have with it is still there, just the fact of getting fatigued. If I want to keep fighting and I get tired, it becomes "goddammit let me find the next checkpoint and get out". And if it's your partner who gets tired it's only a matter of time before you and the rest of the party do. I like how they reworked it in Portable where you won't feel tired until after you leave the dungeon. Since I like the combat this is great for me.
CrazyTank940
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Yeah, and I'm fine with it being like that, since neither you or your teammates get tired in the middle of combat, the only thing holding you back is the occasional barricade. That way you and your teammates still get over being tired the same way they did if they got tired in Tartartus yet it doesn't slow down your pace. I prefer it by far to how the console versions have it set.
Yeah, I don't mind it, I just remember being confused that they said they were tired when they weren't actually yet
IHaveCandy
Banned
How about this in Persona 5. The game can be about entering a new world in your dreams. You fight monsters with your personas in this dream world. If a teammate is KO'ed, you cannot revive them. The KO'ed party member is awoken from the dream and cannot be used until the next night. If the MC is KO'ed, the game does not end unless it is an important event that must be handled that night. I think that could make combat more challenging, and force you to actually use other party members when your mains get knocked out of the dream world.
I'd also like to see them bring back personalities. Monsters and personas should have personalities that affect their combat.
I'd also like to see them bring back personalities. Monsters and personas should have personalities that affect their combat.
If this means the return of the contact, then I am not for this.
What I liked about the status system was how it added to the characters and narrative and not necessarily the gameplay. Having certain characters tired or feeling great after related events was a nice touch. Additionally, the fact that they weren't all always available when you wanted them was also a good thing that made it apparent that they had lives of their own and would not be able to always go with the leader at the drop of a hat.
They'd never do this. Something like that seems like it'd be a mechanic they'd try in an older game and ditch in a new one to make the game more accessible.
As for monsters, I kinda hope they ditch the generic enemies found in P3/P4 and replace them with the demons. Adding in demon negotiation could also be cool, and after negotiating they can become your Persona. I don't know if that would make sense in the context of the Persona world though. And they'd rather have you do shuffles or something to gain new Personas in a dungeon...
IHaveCandy
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No I don't mean for collecting tarot cards. Your Persona's personality should affect it in combat. Perhaps one that is angry does more damage but has less defense innately. This would not be a simple change in starting stats. An angry persona at 99 attack would do more damage than the same non-angry persona at 99 attack. Same goes for monsters. The personality of your teammate's persona would reflect their current emotions.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Making a contract with a potential Persona would literally be coming to terms with yourself.
I would love that as long as they exploited the heck out of that pun.
I would love that as long as they exploited the heck out of that pun.
Not really, unless they all had the same personality. It would be more akin to a really short Social Link.
It wouldn't make sense, at least given what I like about P3 and P4, and that's why I'm opposed to it. The Shuffle system is silly and acquiring Personas could be improved, though.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Scrafty, I appreciate your puns.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
And I appreciate your positivity. We make a good team.
Puns are the tool of the devil.
One of the things I LOVE about persona 2 has been the rare instances where you have a specific persona, and you run into a demon, and before the battle starts, they have a conversation based on their relationship. That was an awesome idea that I'd like to see return if they go back to demons. Hell, the shadows in persona 4 may as well have been demons honestly, with only the bosses being true shadows. It made sense for them to be shadows in 3, but the second you face character specific shadows in 4, it suddenly stops making sense, personally. Would make more sense if the shadows were tailor made and specific to each dungeon type(cop shadows in the stripclub could look more bouncers for example) so you could say they are also off-shoots of the trapped person's psyche(since that's what the dungeon themselves are).
One of the things I LOVE about persona 2 has been the rare instances where you have a specific persona, and you run into a demon, and before the battle starts, they have a conversation based on their relationship. That was an awesome idea that I'd like to see return if they go back to demons. Hell, the shadows in persona 4 may as well have been demons honestly, with only the bosses being true shadows. It made sense for them to be shadows in 3, but the second you face character specific shadows in 4, it suddenly stops making sense, personally. Would make more sense if the shadows were tailor made and specific to each dungeon type(cop shadows in the stripclub could look more bouncers for example) so you could say they are also off-shoots of the trapped person's psyche(since that's what the dungeon themselves are).
The feel of artificial difficulty.
ScraftyDevil
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That's the name; don't wear it out.
Also for the record, I'd be fine with the series going back to having demons as the primary foes so long as Shadows are brought back as bosses. I loved what P2 and P4 did with Shadows and am intrigued to see where else the series can go with the concept.
*Turns head towards The Answer*
Oh, uh... sure?
I don't get it
On a tangentially related note, Vinny's remarks concerning Igor and the Velvet Room always rang true to me (Persona 4 spoilers). "Why? Who are you? Who do you work for?" What does Igor even do when he's "away"?
Perhaps having background knowledge that Igor is Philemon's servant is enough and the story shouldn't be burdened by details that actually don't matter, but I really liked it when Marie and Margaret would actually converse with each other and also when Velvet Room members refer to each other (usually Margaret to Elizabeth and vice-versa). I loved the little touch in the anime of the little interaction Igor ever has with Margaret when he looks sideways at her after she sings Elizabeth's song.
Even in P1 and P2, Velvet Room people never interacted with each other. I guess I'd maybe want them to have a more active role in the story or at least talk to each other, which makes me think of the Luteces in BioShock Infinite.
Yes and no.
They was no compendium nor social links, but they made sure to shorten the amount of experience it takes to level a Persona, so it was close enough to leveling a party member(think a little less per level all told). They also changed around the idea of fusing enough that it wasn't hard to, if you followed a guide anyway, to have a good assortment with you at all times. They were also smart about mixing up enemy types so you rarely got into fights where every enemy shared the same weakness. Moreover, even enemies that had them often could Evade them.
The Evade thing was the only thing of what I listed that kind of bothered me, truthfully(amount of times you get SMT'd could be high in that game), but I think it was an example of a challenge done correctly, and in a slightly different way than 3 or 4 did. Heck, 3 also put another wrench in the plans by upping the compendium costs on Hard, something 4 I don't think did(at least Golden didn't).
Yeah, moving forward, I want more interaction with the Velvet Room. That the MC doesn't come clean in any game about it's existence or the inhabitants kind of always drove me crazy, moreso in 4 when
the rest of the cast can actually meet Margaret as part of the actual story, don't think that's something Naoto wouldn't pursue...
TurnipFritters
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just cuz you have trouble with comprehension doesn't mean you should project it onto others
You mean mind reading? Because the only way people would ever interpret the things you were saying before you explained yourself as the things you explained would have been through mind reading. Don't be lazy, and you won't have to explain yourself further.
Yes, but that was a fairly significant thing too. Not only did all bosses high extremely high evasion rates, they also, on occasion, flat-out absorbed/negated their own weaknesses.
It wasn't difficult, but it certainly wasn't fun either.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Is the Persona 3 movie going to be multiple parts or encompassing the entire story in a single movie?
Multiple parts.
Multi-part movie. The cast list suggests it is a trilogy, as Spring of Birth (part 1) doesn't have any actors from beyond the love hotel part of the game.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
How many parts do you folks suppose it'll have? I'm guessing three: Spring of Birth (April-July), Summer of Bonds (July-September), and The Fall of Sorrow (October-end).
Maybe October would be put at the climax of the second movie though, since nothing too important happens in the July-September span.
buddha0991
Member
why would it skip The Answer
Because no one wants to watch a movie of tedious grinding. The events will be summed up in the Persona 4 Arena movie.
buddha0991
Member
fixed for ya, about the journey
Persona 4 Arena is probably better suited to an OVA.
The real reason not to do The Answer is because it's poorly designed to be converted to a movie. Everything in it could be shifted to the main story anyhow, as the manga proved.
I don't know, there are big stretches in the narrative where absolutely nothing of consequence happens.
buddha0991
Member
I bet there will be new events during those long stretches. The DeSu 2 animu follows the manga way more than the game, lets see how that goes here.
TurnipFritters
Member
the p3 movie is like ten minutes long. it ends when the mc shoots himself in the head on top of the dorm. inexplicably, they still have the scene where he
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no i mean basic comprehension. again, just because you are personally really bad at it doesn't mean you should project onto others.
fingers a robot
no i mean basic comprehension. again, just because you are personally really bad at it doesn't mean you should project onto others.
We could do without the excessive vitriol, T.I.A.
TurnipFritters
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that's not even close to vitriol dude.
Right, but you were saying things that were vague and unspecific. You mentioned earlier you had problems with specific scenes in the game, but you never said why you had problems with them. You kinda just assumed we all knew what you meant.
It's a bit silly to credit others not understanding you to a lack of reading comprehension when you've never actually fully explained yourself.
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