Ah. So only the IS peeps get messed over?
Do Maya get one of the brothers at least?
Nothing?
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Ah. So only the IS peeps get messed over?
Do Maya get one of the brothers at least?
Nothing?
TurnipFritters
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What 30+ year old dies in P3 and 4 besides Ikutsuki, Mitsuru's dad, and King Moron? Three people that deserved their deaths.
buddha0991
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The P2IS crew don't remember, the P2EP crew aside from one all remember and are alive and well.
meltingparappa
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Turns out he's a shadow I see on my tv that I refuse to believe is my true self.
Miss Yamano.
Namatame - in the hospital.
Miss Kashiwagi - A mentally broken desperate woman.
Egypt teacher - Mentally ill
Puppet teacher - same
other bitter divorced teacher - a god damn mess
Dojima - A booze hound obsessed with his dead wife, and way worse off if you get the bad ending where his only daughter dies permanently.
Yukiko's mom - So overworked that she faints at work and needs her daughter to pick up the slack.
Kanji's mom - Her husband is dead, and her son is in constant trouble
Yumi's mom - Married to a dying scumbag
Eri (young mother/temperance social link) - Married to a guy who kept his kid hidden and uses her like a fucking Nanny. She has no life or ambition beyond taking care of that shitty brat who isn't even her blood.
Daidara - Look at that dudes face! He's seen some shit!
Shop Lady - Probably diabetes from being so fat.
Liqour store parents - Dead daughter, annoying emo son.
Persona 3
The male swimming stars parents are a fuck up.
Mitsuros mom is a widow
Yukari's mom is a widow
The bookstore elderly people had their son die at a young age.
TurnipFritters
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I know, I'm reminding him.
What 30+ year olds are relevant to the actual storyline in P3 and P4 besides Ikutsuki, Mitsuru's dad, Dojima and Namatame?
buddha0991
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Autocorrect on phones are kind of a bitch hah
Oh, forgot about that. You forgot about the lonely teacher that hits on me on Innocent Sin Online in P3 too.
You could do a list like that for the school kids too.
...Igor?
Oh, that makes sense.
buddha0991
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The other side Tatsuya Suou goes back to the other side. this side's Tatsuya does not remember. Maya separates herself from the Suous in order to safe guard against Tatsuya ever remembering.
Wow...that sucks. Probably even more depressing watching it.
So Other Side Tatsuya just going to let himself lose his memories this time?
buddha0991
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It's worse, Other Side Tatsuya still exists remembering everything while trapped in the destroyed world stuck on the floating Sumaru/Xibalba with the few people still on that side or alone. This Side Tatsuya forgets everything, but begins bonding with Katsuya and his life improves.
On an unrelated note, I started a new save on Persona 3 FES in emulator. :3
Also holy shit Nich at the Fog report thing. That's awesome. O_O
Hating on Aigis is just wrong.
How did Takeharu (Mitsuru's father) deserve his death? He was trying to help clean up after the Kirijo group's sins.
Also holy shit Nich at the Fog report thing. That's awesome. O_O
Hating on Aigis is just wrong.
How did Takeharu (Mitsuru's father) deserve his death? He was trying to help clean up after the Kirijo group's sins.
TurnipFritters
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Igor lost his old friends and is stuck in purgatory with a trio of insufferable siblings and some chick who got dressed in the dark.
buddha0991
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Labrys > Genesis looks rather cool but is probably non canon thankfully > Aigis > Metis
Not to mention it is fan servicey beyond belief.
buddha0991
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I think her look itself except for the giant boobs is cool, impossibly short hair growth time aside, but all those fanservice pics and the story itself just seem wrong.
That, and Touko Aoi is a blatent ripoff of Kara no Kyoukai. And Genesis doesn't fit with any of the previous explanations of the Anti Shadow Weapons, and his name doesn't fit the naming pattern anyhow. And... yeah. That novel kinda sucks o_o
meltingparappa
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I refuse to believe she stopped dressing like a man. Bitter tears for shed for the loss of a LGBT character in a videogame -_-
But the fact that Catherine had an unapologetically trans woman makes me incredibly happy.
Neogaf member and pocaster extrordinaire summed it up in a slightly bummer way
But the fact that Catherine had an unapologetically trans woman makes me incredibly happy.
Neogaf member and pocaster extrordinaire summed it up in a slightly bummer way
shidoshi said:
SatelliteOfLove
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Everything > Metis
Creepy, dumb, and further proof P4 was a delicate house of cards that just any anime trope slave with access to an editor should not be allowed to touch.
Jun: *facepalm*
Strictly speaking, that might be intentional. After all Metis is basically what Aigis would be like if she stopped being nice. Aigis likewise has noticeable hints of snarkiness in P4A. >_>;
I have no idea what this means. :S
So, I'm on P4G atm, and one thing I'd like to see in P5 is a more coherent main plot. P4's doesn't really make all that much sense as far as the fog and everything go...
buddha0991
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They were so cool.
They are still in the background....eternally singing and playing...but where did Demon Artist head off to?
Her character is pretty much a ripoff of Touko Aozaki from the novel series Kara no Kyoukai. Right down to the same hair style and face. I'd go as far to say it's almost plagiarism.
Wow that's fucked up.
I've yet to see an ending so depressing since Nier.
Aigis is awesome. I have a weakness for androids.
I liked him actually, but he was a needed sacrifice to man up Mitsuru. For a leader she sure didn't really lead. Felt like Minato did everything after awhile.
Some chick who got dressed in the dark?
buddha0991
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It is bitter sweet, everyone except Other Side Tatsuya has a better fate than they got at the end of Innocent Sin, but most of them don't get the supreme happy ending you would have wanted for those characters really. The Persona 1 crew continue to get off scot free even in this game, they almost all meet at a bar at the end and the pierced ear mc himself even makes an off screen entrance to the bar at the last second.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Ummmm atlus made a main character and main villain of persona 2 gay. They are also a cannon couple. You must only taking about transgendered. Naoto never struck me as a true transgender person.
buddha0991
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I don't consider him the main villain
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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well second main villain. Still doesn't change the fact jun and tetsuya were gay and a cannon couple. Both were very important characters.
TurnipFritters
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Naoto isn't trans though?
Naoto's not transgendered at all. She just wanted to be respected as a detective. IMO, there aren't any real LGBT characters in the game so much as the community was quick to latch on to some of the cast.
Even the P1 MC makes an appearance? Wow, that's pretty cool.
Well I guess its not too bad. Other Side Tatsuya is irrelevant when you got current side Tatsuya alive I guess.
Tatsuya is gay? What? I'm pretty sure he got the hots for Maya. Poor Lisa.
buddha0991
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^He does not make an appearance at all. He shows up and the characters can see him and greet him, for us, he is just off screen with no portrait. You do get a cameo of sorts in the main game itself and he has a portrait, but its not actually the MC, but someone using his guise. Tatsuya is most likely bisexual. The player themselves gets to choose who Tatsuya likes in Innocent Sin, but Eternal Punishment semipairs him with Maya. One of the higher ups, don't remember if it was Kaneko or Tadashi, stated that their favorite couple for Tatsuya was Jun.
It is never stated as canon anywhere, but Kaneko or was it Satomi Tadashi said that he liked Tatsuya and jun the most, and that's almost like word of god hah.
It is never stated as canon anywhere, but Kaneko or was it Satomi Tadashi said that he liked Tatsuya and jun the most, and that's almost like word of god hah.
meltingparappa
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I do genuinely feel that between Hashino's version of Kanji, Naoto (without her epilogue resolution) and then Erica, that he was pretty proactive in including characters with LGBT issues in his game in a respectful light.
It just bums me out when I see the P4 animation of Yu saying homophobic things to Kanji, or the epilogue of P4 Golden removing the trans element of Naoto.
buddha0991
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They push all 3 really
@meltingparappa: I can understand the anime part because that was rather odd, uncharacteristic even. In the episode before, Yu states that he likes his...cute thing whatever it was, and that everyone has their own things and completely accepts him. In the episode after, they basically suffer Yu's characterization for the sake of comedy. The game Yu is depicted as just chillin there oblivious to Yosuke and Kanji's arguing. The Naoto thing, I dunno, I just don't see a trans element.
Man, I got to play it again one of these days. They really do shit on Lisa though.
I didn't know Naoto was considered transgendered. Didn't she only dress up as a dude because she wanted respect from other people in the detective field?
buddha0991
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This is what I got out of it.
Man, I got to play it again one of these days. They really do shit on Lisa though.
I didn't know Naoto was considered transgendered. Didn't she only dress up as a dude because she wanted respect from other people in the detective field?
Right. Naoto wasn't ever intended to be transgendered. She's sexually confused, but that has to do with her tomboy behavior and the profession she's in. People seeing her as transgendered, or thinking it was some weird statement about Japan and sexuality, are ignoring what was said and seeing what they want to see.
There's actually a conversation that outright implies that Maya's relationship with Tatsuya is fairly Big Sister/Little Brother like, and not terribly romantic.
buddha0991
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Yes, that's how it goes in Innocent Sin. Things are a bit different in Eternal Punishment.
Amazing what being stabbed to death and indirectly bringing about the end of the world does for one's relationships, huh? >_>;
buddha0991
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Yea, I would imagine that changes things, hah.
SatelliteOfLove
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It was explicitly stated as such by her.
There's also the age, ego, and intelligence issue. Having someone so young show up/argue with 20 year veterans of the force in public was a repeated event with Naoto. Always the youngest, always the smartest.
Then on top of that, is the gender inequality/perceptions in Japan.
She's a rather fascinating character and is the subject of alot of "Three blind men and the elephant" focus for whatever reasons.
Iirc, the interviews back then pretty much stated that "it's up to the player to decide" or something along those lines. This was for both IS and EP (where the player is essentially Maya).
Personally, the only one that makes little sense to me is Tatsuya/Lisa, they have little romantic chemistry and he ignores her for all the game, can't really see him taking a sudden interest in her. Personality-wise, Jun and Tatsuya are the ones that makes the most sense to me, i always saw his relationship with Maya as brotherly. (He even calls her Maya Onee-chan in the Japanese version of EP, iirc.)
I also rather like Maya and Katsuya together, they have a far better chemistry.
Personally, the only one that makes little sense to me is Tatsuya/Lisa, they have little romantic chemistry and he ignores her for all the game, can't really see him taking a sudden interest in her. Personality-wise, Jun and Tatsuya are the ones that makes the most sense to me, i always saw his relationship with Maya as brotherly. (He even calls her Maya Onee-chan in the Japanese version of EP, iirc.)
I also rather like Maya and Katsuya together, they have a far better chemistry.
buddha0991
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True, I like Maya and Katsuya as well, a shame about the whole distance herself from the Suou's thing. Is it actually better off that way? Shes kind of screwed either way.
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