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[Bumblebeetuna]

Wake me up when I can play SFV, FFVII, Forspoken and FF XVI on Xbox

Same shit everywhere.

People wanted consoles with a better identity ? Well there you have it.

Isn't FF16 out today, or maybe tomorrow? And these people want to complain about exclusives

 

[cireza]

I have this controller and can't help but see two dicks in his signature. Quite disturbing.

 

[graywolf323]

So let that be a lesson.

Going forward, no more Moneyhats™ lingo should be thrown Sony's way. Amazing how it all NOW comes full circle for those that argued until they were blue in the face prior to this.

heck they've continue to push that BS even after your post here, apparently it's okay when Microsoft does it (STALKER 2, etc.) but Sony is so evil when they do it that it somehow forces Microsoft to buy publishers

 

[DeepEnigma]

heck they've continue to push that BS even after your post here, apparently it's okay when Microsoft does it (STALKER 2, etc.) but Sony is so evil when they do it that it somehow forces Microsoft to buy publishers

Poor $2.6T company who did nothing but fuck up themselves.

#VictimhoodCulture

 

[Gojiira]

Ironic you make this accusation while posting an obvious lie. When did MS sign a legally binding agreement to make every upcoming Bethesda game multi-platform?

MS made promises to regulators when purchasing Zenimax that is was not about removing content from other platforms similar to this ABK stuff. Look it up. MS outright cancelling Redfall and Starfield etc directly goes against promises made…

 

[cireza]

name me one time Sony has bought a publisher that had a contract for a game and renegotiated that contract to cancel the game for a competitor's platform

It happened ? It didn't ? Who knows ? Who cares ? The public is not informed of these changes anyway, this is an exceptional case.

Games becoming exclusive to one platform or another are fine for the most part, people need to stop crying about this and get over it. Indiana Jones is a brand new game by the way, not a sequel to a previously multiplatform series.

Want to play Starfield or Indiana Jones ? Buy a Series S for cheap or play on PC.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Looking forward to it.

 

[Riky]

It's another big exclusive franchise for Xbox after a showcase full of them, seems people thinking they were going to throw in the towel were very much mistaken.

 

[Ozriel]

name me one time Sony has bought a publisher that had a contract for a game and renegotiated that contract to cancel the game for a competitor's platform

the only double standard here is this continued BS that because Sony makes third-party exclusivity agreements (ignoring the fact so does Microsoft!) that that then justifies Microsoft BUYING publishers

edit: of course this point has been made repeatedly before, you both know it and yet you continue to ignore it to instead spread FUD

Why does it have to be the exact same scenario, down to the letter?

Square would most certainly have made FFXVI for Xbox without Sony's intervention. Ditto for FF7R. If you're fine with that, not sure why you're upset about this.

I don't get this focus on 'publishers' like it's the ultimate anathema. Sony tried to buy Leyou, a publisher back in 2020. They only failed because they got outbid by Tencent. And they've certainly picked up multiple developers since 2020.

 

[Ozriel]

Which is why regulation steps in when you want to buy the largest publishers in the world and "not stop at them"

And yet every regulator approved the Bethesda deal without extracting any commitments and only the FTC expresses serious opposition to the ABK deal with respect to potential console SLC.

i.e. consolidate the industry to you and only you.

Even if the ABK deal gets passed, Microsoft would be a long, long way from that. Not even close.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Making games for more gamers for more platforms by law of subtraction.

If it's on game pass, you have like 5 devices in your house that can stream the game. Me having a wife and three kids, we have like 50 devices in our home that can play game pass games. Odds are, PS5 only peeps have a phone, tablet, Chromebook or other smart device, so no true subtraction is done. It's on the PS5 only bro to ditch the caveman console architecture and embrace the cloud!

 

[Ozriel]

MS made promises to regulators when purchasing Zenimax that is was not about removing content from other platforms similar to this ABK stuff. Look it up. MS outright cancelling Redfall and Starfield etc directly goes against promises made…

You claimed they made 'legally binding promises'. That's a lie.

They've also kept their word by not removing any single Zenimax content off PlayStation or Nintendo, and have released games or DLC on case by case basis since then, as they said.

Heck, Fallout 76 just got a next gen update a couple of days ago on both XSX and PS5.

 

[Unknown?]

Anti-consumer trash!

 

[Spitfire098]

Wolfenstein developers lol. Game probably going to be mid af.

 

[01011001]

Wolfenstein developers lol. Game probably going to be mid af.

Wolfenstein The New Order is one of the best shooters of the last 2 console generations.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Wolfenstein developers lol. Game probably going to be mid af.

The Wolfenstein games have been great. Wolfenstein 2 on the PS4 currently has the same metacritic score of Final Fantasy 16, 87.

 

[skyfinch]

Nice, day on for me.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Thank you for bringing the game to more players Phil .

 

[Ozriel]

No, you are missing the forest through the trees on how MS lied to regulators and the public about this and tried painting Sony as the only ones to money hat IPs.

Hard to argue 'moneyhat' when you're making a game exclusive AFTER buying the developers.

I guess the initial purchase was the umbrella moneyhat?

Wolfenstein developers lol. Game probably going to be mid af.

Sour grapes, indeed.
I heard similar arguments about the guys behind Hogwarts Legacy. Those didn't end well.

 

[RoboFu]

Was it officially announced for any other platforms?

 

[Js562]

That's good another game on the list to play

 

[adamsapple]

Was it officially announced for any other platforms?

No, this is all we saw of it

 

[Kusarigama]

"case by case basis"

yep Xbox can totally be trusted while behind the scenes they go as far as to renegotiate an existing contract in order to remove the competition

They even said that they will honor the existing contracts and yet they renegotiated this one. The only reason MS isn't beating it's chest to announce that it is going for the Sony kill with these major acquisitions is these Regulatory boards. They want to really say it but they'll just act like they are the saviour of gamers around the world.

 

[Sacred]

Literally changing contracts, paying money, to remove PlayStation for a third-party IP.

"Gaming is for everyone."
"Sony makes it harder for us by making it discreet exclusivity deals."
"When everyone plays, we all win."
"Zenimax acquisition was not done to take games away from PlayStation."

You mean like FF7R, FF16, and several others they tried to pay for exclusivity. They even tried to buy out Starfield as an exclusive till MS bought the company. Sony is much bigger problem for anti-consumer shit than MS.

 

[Sacred]

Anti-consumer trash!

It wasn't even shown till MS bought them so no knew the game existed. How is that anti-consumer when MS owns the fucking company?

 

[intheinbetween]

MS made promises to regulators when purchasing Zenimax that is was not about removing content from other platforms similar to this ABK stuff. Look it up. MS outright cancelling Redfall and Starfield etc directly goes against promises made…

What content has been removed from other platforms? just asking since I'm genuinely interested

 

[M1chl]

Do they even speak between themselves in MS, it is crazy that they are crying to FTC and this guy just say stuff against this. It is comedy gold, to be honest.

 

[CatLady]

The ones that petitioned for Starfield to be on the PS5.

Petitioned for Starfield to be exclusive on PS5.

 

[Malak]

Nice

 

[John Wick]

And people were saying Jim shouldn't challenge the ABK acquisition. Best thing he ever did.

 

[CatLady]

There was also a contract for Indiana Jones to be multiplat too, I guess it got ripped since.Those deal could also be renegociated unliteraly so it doesn't hold much ground.

I very much doubt Xbox signed a contract to make a PlayStation version of Indiana Jones.

 

[graywolf323]

What content has been removed from other platforms? just asking since I'm genuinely interested

did you happen to read at all about how Indiana Jones was supposed to be on PS5 as well before Microsoft bought Bethesda and then renegotiated the contract in order to make it exclusive?

 

[Sacred]

did you happen to read at all about how Indiana Jones was supposed to be on PS5 as well before Microsoft bought Bethesda and then renegotiated the contract in order to make it exclusive?

Before it was announced, strawman argument.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You mean like FF7R, FF16, and several others they tried to pay for exclusivity. They even tried to buy out Starfield as an exclusive till MS bought the company. Sony is much bigger problem for anti-consumer shit than MS.

You must be joking .

 

[NickFire]

I very much doubt Xbox signed a contract to make a PlayStation version of Indiana Jones.

Correct. They purchased a contract requiring them to. Then they "renegotiated" it so they no longer had to. But make no mistake - they were under contract to do that when they purchased Bethesda. Full stop.

 

[Sacred]

You must be joking .

If you don't have a clue what you talking about, stay out of the conversation.

 

[azertydu91]

I very much doubt Xbox signed a contract to make a PlayStation version of Indiana Jones.

Just read the thread instead of trying to contribute but falling flat on your head, they didn't sign it but chose to break it once they acquired beth/zen.Lots of others pointed it out and explained it, I know that you are eager to defend MS at each and every possible occasion but try to do it good at least.

 

[Barakov]

 

[CatLady]

Just read the thread instead of trying to contribute but falling flat on your head, they didn't sign it but chose to break it once they acquired beth/zen.Lots of others pointed it out and explained it, I know that you are eager to defend MS at each and every possible occasion but try to do it good at least.

Take your own advice.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

lol now it's going to be compared directly to Uncharted, and I'll be pleasantly shocked if it's anywhere near the same league

congrata MS, you (probably) played yourself

 

[Panajev2001a]

If you don't have a clue what you talking about, stay out of the conversation.

You are cute .

 

[intheinbetween]

I very much doubt Xbox signed a contract to make a PlayStation version of Indiana Jones.

Zenimax did before the acquisition, then after the acquisition MS entered in the ring and asked to renegotiate the agreement/contract so the game remained as a XBOX & PC exclusive. Disney agreed to modify the contract by the offer from MS and the deal was done.

The game wasn't even on pre-production or initial stages for any platform, but the initial contract offered by Zenimax to Disney stated to be released on multiple platforms, so though it might hurt it was just a business decision by MS which might seem dirty, it was a completely legal action since they asked Disney to modify the contract to keep the game as an exclusive.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Funny to read https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...ue-share-to-put-call-of-duty-on-xbox.1658116/ in light of evil Sony blocking MS from getting games, a real threat to the ENTIRE industry… .

 

[azertydu91]

Take your own advice.

You are about as contructive as you can be with this incredible "No u".Please continue with highly enlightening and intelectual posts like, he who smelt it dealt it or even yo moma jokes.Since you have at heart to entirely miss the point of my posts at least this time it will be more obvious for anyone looking with an half asleep eye, you'll waste less time for most of us.

 

[Sacred]

It breaks down like this, of course there would be a contract for a multiplatform developer to make the game on multiple platforms same with Redfall and Starfield. After MS bought them, they are under no obligations to keep these contracts especially if the hadn't even been announced. MS chose to honor the timed exclusive for Deathloop and Ghostwire which they were under no obligation to do so, but that isn't even mentioned.

 

[azertydu91]

It breaks down like this, of course there would be a contract for a multiplatform developer to make the game on multiple platforms same with Redfall and Starfield. After MS bought them, they are under no obligations to keep these contracts especially if the hadn't even been announced. MS chose to honor the timed exclusive for Deathloop and Ghostwire which they were under no obligation to do so, but that isn't even mentioned.

That's not how it works, at all.They aren't free to break any contract however they want.Bethesda was still contracted to do said work under x circumstances except if they went bankrupt but that's a whole new problem that have nothing to do with qhat's happenning here.

 

[Ozriel]

They even said that they will honor the existing contracts and yet they renegotiated this one. The only reason MS isn't beating it's chest to announce that it is going for the Sony kill with these major acquisitions is these Regulatory boards. They want to really say it but they'll just act like they are the saviour of gamers around the world.

How does it make sense to claim that a mutually beneficial renegotiation is a breach of contract?

You people say the strangest things.

'Going for the Sony kill' meanwhile we had daily threads here a month ago predicting MS would drop out of console and become third party.

 

[Cre8]

Waiting for MS to raise Gamepass subs another dollar now Indy is xbox GP day one exclusive.

 

[Sacred]

That's not how it works, at all.They aren't free to break any contract however they want.Bethesda was still contracted to do said work under x circumstances except if they went bankrupt but that's a whole new problem that have nothing to do with qhat's happenning here.

Incorrect.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

If you don't have a clue what you talking about, stay out of the conversation.

Say this while looking into a mirror.