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[//DEVIL//]

Not for me. Playing first person removed Indiana Jones from view and so I just never had the feeling that I was playing as him.

yup. didnt like it either. and the gun shooting in the game is boring and not fun. not what i expect from these devs. but still gave it a fair shot and i was bored to death a couple of hours in.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

I don't get it, this topic is about the sales of a once exclusive game to an opposing platform but somehow, now it's all about about PS having no games®, Xbox being the platform with the best games/exclusives (?- thanks Shaki12345 !) and how Sony ponies are muppets that keep buying these once "exclusives" so that cool peeps like playbignbox can keep playing his Gamepass, the best value in gaming® for 1 buck a month (on his PC obviously, he's not a warrior after all).
Also, according to BigLee74 , buying games in 2025 is passe' since those damned game boxes take space and he prefers playing them for free® renting them from Gamepass since, obviously, that's the right choice and that's what everyone else should also do.

Again, you can't make this shit up, it's a constant barrage of the usual persecution complex®, confirmation bias, idiotic innuendos just to rile people up and the latest and greatest "exclusives= bad" and " PS has no games".

At this point l, I don't know whether I should just laugh or cry from the repeated biblepass marketing

 

[Shaki12345]

I don't get it, this topic is about the sales of a once exclusive game to an opposing platform but somehow, now it's all about about PS having no games®, Xbox being the platform with the best games/exclusives (?- thanks Shaki12345 !) and how Sony ponies are muppets that keep buying these once "exclusives" so that cool peeps like playbignbox can keep playing his Gamepass, the best value in gaming® for 1 buck a month (on his PC obviously, he's not a warrior after all).
Also, according to BigLee74 , buying games in 2025 is passe' since those damned game boxes take space and he prefers playing them for free® renting them from Gamepass since, obviously, that's the right choice and that's what everyone else should also do.

Again, you can't make this shit up, it's a constant barrage of the usual persecution complex®, confirmation bias, idiotic innuendos just to rile people up and the latest and greatest "exclusives= bad" and " PS has no games".

At this point l, I don't know whether I should just laugh or cry from the repeated biblepass marketing

Why don't you try out a free trial of GamePass to cool down and relax.

Lots of quality games.

 

[Topher]

yup. didnt like it either. and the gun shooting in the game is boring and not fun. not what i expect from these devs. but still gave it a fair shot and i was bored to death a couple of hours in.

I still liked the game overall. Loved the Vatican part and wish the other parts were more like that. Didn't care for shooting either, but I was playing stealth mostly anyway so it didn't really matter. Story was really good though eventhough the ending was incredibly familiar.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Strange.

The Thread Title has three different Xbox platforms. So the news here is that one Xbox is selling more copies than the other two Xboxes.

 

[BigLee74]

I don't get it, this topic is about the sales of a once exclusive game to an opposing platform but somehow, now it's all about about PS having no games®, Xbox being the platform with the best games/exclusives (?- thanks Shaki12345 !) and how Sony ponies are muppets that keep buying these once "exclusives" so that cool peeps like playbignbox can keep playing his Gamepass, the best value in gaming® for 1 buck a month (on his PC obviously, he's not a warrior after all).
Also, according to BigLee74 , buying games in 2025 is passe' since those damned game boxes take space and he prefers playing them for free® renting them from Gamepass since, obviously, that's the right choice and that's what everyone else should also do.

Again, you can't make this shit up, it's a constant barrage of the usual persecution complex®, confirmation bias, idiotic innuendos just to rile people up and the latest and greatest "exclusives= bad" and " PS has no games".

At this point l, I don't know whether I should just laugh or cry from the repeated biblepass marketing

You alright you whinging greeting faced bastard? I don't remember participating in this thread!

Whilst you're dragging me here though, feel free to point out I also still buy lots of games. I, unlike others, just see the benefit of also using GamePass. Both are allowed. And in no way would I insist everybody else must use a subscription service. Do what you want .

I accept your forthcoming apology for your cock-wombleness.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Lots of quality games.

Concord-quality like Indiana?

 

[Shaki12345]

Concord-quality like Indiana?

Why are you in this topic if you don't like the game.

 

[playbignbox]

You can still have immersive sim elements and be a 3rd person game.

In fact there are immersive sim games that are entirely 3rd person, so not really a great excuse.

The 1st/3rd person thing for a game like this just comes down to preference.

I never said that a game can't have immersive simulation elements and be a third-person game.

I said that the elements inserted into Indiana's game wouldn't work in third person, that we're talking about a decision that would significantly change the game we have now. Saying "I'd rather it were in third person" is so abstract because the game would be completely different, it's like me saying I'd rather Super Mario Bros. be in first person (even though there are first-person platform games too), some games simply have their design too tied to their POV for us to imagine it any other way.

 

[Topher]

I never said that a game can't have immersive simulation elements and be a third-person game.

I said that the elements inserted into Indiana's game wouldn't work in third person, that we're talking about a decision that would significantly change the game we have now. Saying "I'd rather it were in third person" is so abstract because the game would be completely different, it's like me saying I'd rather Super Mario Bros. be in first person (even though there are first-person platform games too), some games simply have their design too tied to their POV for us to imagine it any other way.

It wouldn't be that different from a gameplay standpoint. There are plenty of games that allow you to select either perspective, such as Avowed. I don't see anything inherent to this game's design that wouldn't allow the same thing.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I never said that a game can't have immersive simulation elements and be a third-person game.

I said that the elements inserted into Indiana's game wouldn't work in third person, that we're talking about a decision that would significantly change the game we have now. Saying "I'd rather it were in third person" is so abstract because the game would be completely different, it's like me saying I'd rather Super Mario Bros. be in first person (even though there are first-person platform games too), some games simply have their design too tied to their POV for us to imagine it any other way.

If this was pure stealth game, I believe it could've worked in 3rd person.

This do have puzzles though, which work far better in first person. Especially with physics based objects.

I am playing Portal 2 currently. Cannot imagine it in 3rd person.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why are you in this topic if you don't like the game.

Nothing wrong with discussing 3rd party releases afaik.

 

[playbignbox]

I don't get it, this topic is about the sales of a once exclusive game to an opposing platform but somehow, now it's all about about PS having no games®, Xbox being the platform with the best games/exclusives (?- thanks Shaki12345 !) and how Sony ponies are muppets that keep buying these once "exclusives" so that cool peeps like playbignbox can keep playing his Gamepass, the best value in gaming® for 1 buck a month (on his PC obviously, he's not a warrior after all).
Also, according to BigLee74 , buying games in 2025 is passe' since those damned game boxes take space and he prefers playing them for free® renting them from Gamepass since, obviously, that's the right choice and that's what everyone else should also do.

Again, you can't make this shit up, it's a constant barrage of the usual persecution complex®, confirmation bias, idiotic innuendos just to rile people up and the latest and greatest "exclusives= bad" and " PS has no games".

At this point l, I don't know whether I should just laugh or cry from the repeated biblepass marketing

This is a sales thread about an MS game, and I said exactly that this increase in sales was MS's plan and added that it helps maintain positive aspects of their ecosystem, such as the day one release on GamePass.

You just went off topic with your conspiracy theory that I'm trying to create a "new narrative", as if I needed that, I'm just stating a fact.

Not only you who went off topic, but many (including you now) are saying that I don't even have a PC, trying to invalidate my comment in a personal way. In the end, it seems that the only warrior here is you, who was bothered by such a simple comment.

 

[Panajev2001a]

It's an interesting decision that Machine Games have made, for sure. The previous 3D Indy games were pretty much Tomb Raider-likes. And the 2D games were point-and-click adventure games you'd expect from LucasArts. Fate of Atlantis especially is one of the best ever made.

I thought I would really mind it, but it worked well and we saw a lot of third person Indy when climbing and hanging with the rope … it was satisfying to box with people in first person. It is a very very immersive game and yet you feel like Indiana Jones.

Between the story, the graphics, the settings, and the acting I think this worked very well and the gameplay carried all of that. It is the like a great Indiana Jones movie we never got. Definitely at the level of the OG movies.

 

[JCK75]

You mean the only system that doesn't have access to game pass actually has to pay for the game? What a huge shocker

 

[EDMIX]

I mean sure, but it likely sold really low else where anyway, PS selling better by default isn't really that shocking as the community loves single player games like this.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Revenue with these poor sales...
Its an expensive Licensed IP.
Sony prob makes more profit on this Game than Xbox.

Great game?
Hardly 7/10 game for me.

You have every right to feel how you feel.

I'm not going to claim the game is an all time masterpiece, but it was special because it delivered an Indy story that the 4th and 5th films couldn't

 

[DavidGzz]

Please list the top 10 great PC exclusives of the year. We are all waiting.

This is the worst PS generation ever. For me, it's every game that is on both PC and PS5 since I can play them with better graphics plus mod support. I bought a PS5 Pro and am waiting for exclusives. Ghost of Yotei is the only game I will buy for it this year and GTA5 if it makes it, otherwise it's collecting dust. Then I'll re buy the definitive versions on PC later on.

As for PC only games that are awesome.
1. R.E.P.O
2. Last Epoch
3. Runescape: Dragon Wilds
4. Dark and Darker
5. Witchfire
6. Bodycam
7. Manor Lords
8. Sons of the Forest
9. Ready or Not
10. Lethal Company

There are countless more fun games that will probably never come to console. Too many to list. From survivor like that are insanely fun and addictive to the same games on console, only better. All you have to do it scroll through the list. https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win,linux

Your turn. Show me what games I should be playing on my PS5 cause I can't play them on PC. Consoles are for entry level gaming.

 

[Sooner]

Is Indiana Jones a videogame? Then, of course, it's selling more on PS5 than Xbox.

 

[drganon]

This is the worst PS generation ever. For me, it's every game that is on both PC and PS5 since I can play them with better graphics plus mod support. I bought a PS5 Pro and am waiting for exclusives. Ghost of Yotei is the only game I will buy for it this year and GTA5 if it makes it, otherwise it's collecting dust. Then I'll re buy the definitive versions on PC later on.

As for PC only games that are awesome.
1. R.E.P.O
2. Last Epoch
3. Runescape: Dragon Wilds
4. Dark and Darker
5. Witchfire
6. Bodycam
7. Manor Lords
8. Sons of the Forest
9. Ready or Not
10. Lethal Company

There are countless more fun games that will probably never come to console. Too many to list. From survivor like that are insanely fun and addictive to the same games on console, only better. All you have to do it scroll through the list. https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win,linux

Your turn. Show me what games I should be playing on my PS5 cause I can't play them on PC. Consoles are for entry level gaming.

 

[playbignbox]

This is the worst PS generation ever. For me, it's every game that is on both PC and PS5 since I can play them with better graphics plus mod support. I bought a PS5 Pro and am waiting for exclusives. Ghost of Yotei is the only game I will buy for it this year and GTA5 if it makes it, otherwise it's collecting dust. Then I'll re buy the definitive versions on PC later on.

As for PC only games that are awesome.
1. R.E.P.O
2. Last Epoch
3. Runescape: Dragon Wilds
4. Dark and Darker
5. Witchfire
6. Bodycam
7. Manor Lords
8. Sons of the Forest
9. Ready or Not
10. Lethal Company

There are countless more fun games that will probably never come to console. Too many to list. From survivor like that are insanely fun and addictive to the same games on console, only better. All you have to do it scroll through the list. https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=popularnew&sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win,linux

Your turn. Show me what games I should be playing on my PS5 cause I can't play them on PC. Consoles are for entry level gaming.

Oh no, how dare you criticize the PlayStation 5? You must be an Xbox user! If I were a moderator, you would be banned!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Concord-quality like Indiana?

So edgy

 

[Topher]

Steam has been feeding us good, PS gamers are starved. Simple logic.

Most of the latest games are launched on PS so how are they "starved"? First party output ain't great but there are plenty of games.

 

[GateofD]

not surprised, ps5 is the uncharted gamers, so they're going to that now that uncharted and tomb raider is dead

 

[demigod]

I've already said on the forum that I sold my PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X to build a PC.

It's really hilarious how you guys assume that any "negative" comment about the PlayStation 5 is from an active Xbox user.

Which, by the way, wasn't even a negative comment, I just said what you guys always say here on the forum: MS is porting its games because Xbox and GamePass aren't sustainable, so you're helping to support them now by buying individual games.

But I didn't know you guys would be so hurt by me saying something you've always said lol

Another fake pc gamer, so predictable. Oh noes, sony fanboys are so bad. Only ms fanboys like you are good even though y'all got screwed by ms and ran you off to pc.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So edgy

Not really.

Games like Indy, Avowed and Hifi Rush are all in the same ballpark as Concord.

That's why some people maybe ought to tone it down a little sometimes. It's like a boomerang-effect.

 

[onQ123]

Newsflash, there are more than double the amount of PS5s sold than Xbox consoles.

How did that happen?

 

[jm89]

If those numbers are true.

This game is flopped hard sales wise.

Should have been day one on ps5.

 

[Nydius]

Games like Indy, Avowed and Hifi Rush are all in the same ballpark as Concord.

Respectfully, none of those games are in the same neighborhood as Concord. None of them were so bad that they got shut down a mere two weeks from launch with their licenses forcibly removed from purchasers with mass refunds issued. None of them are going to lose $250+ million. None of them will end with their studios completely dissolved (sold off, in the case of Tango, but not completely gutted like Firewalk).

Those straight-to-Game Pass games may not be major blockbuster successes but they're not remotely close to Concord. Concord is an epic failure that has no parallel.

 

[Lord Malachite]

I guess maybe it is an age thing as I recently turned 58 so maybe I too just don't care about the smaller things in life

I know many do, had people on these forums say they can enjoy a game more when they know no one else outside of their platform can play it

I don't understand that but its out there

It's not that difficult to understand. Many gamers can only afford to support one system and ecosystem. So when a game that you deeply enjoy is exclusive to the system you are in, it reinforces in the brain that you are supporting the "best" platform and have made the "correct" choice.

This in turn brightens the outlook and deepens the enjoyment factor.

It may not be the most rational thing, but it is how the human brain works.

As we get older, we get more perspective and these things mean less. Or we can afford to support more platforms and ecosystems. Either way, the effect is dampened.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Respectfully, none of those games are in the same neighborhood as Concord. None of them were so bad that they got shut down a mere two weeks from launch with their licenses forcibly removed from purchasers with mass refunds issued. None of them are going to lose $250+ million. None of them will end with their studios completely dissolved (sold off, in the case of Tango, but not completely gutted like Firewalk).

Those straight-to-Game Pass games may not be major blockbuster successes but they're not remotely close to Concord. Concord is an epic failure that has no parallel.

Yes, they are. They just happen to be liked by many that trashed Concord.

Good games don't flop this hard. Certainly not if it's a pattern.

 

[playbignbox]

Another fake pc gamer, so predictable. Oh noes, sony fanboys are so bad. Only ms fanboys like you are good even though y'all got screwed by ms and ran you off to pc.

I had both consoles, PlayStation and Xbox, and I have no loyalty to either brand. You can keep calling me a fanboy, but in reality you and many others here on this forum are the fanboys.

I sold them both because they're now porting their games to PC, and there was no point in keeping the consoles.

In fact, with the money from selling both, I built a good PC, and now I'm playing the same games at much higher quality, paying less with Steam + Game Pass, and having access to a much larger library.

Both Microsoft and Sony made that decision very easy for me.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Respectfully, none of those games are in the same neighborhood as Concord. None of them were so bad that they got shut down a mere two weeks from launch with their licenses forcibly removed from purchasers with mass refunds issued. None of them are going to lose $250+ million. None of them will end with their studios completely dissolved (sold off, in the case of Tango, but not completely gutted like Firewalk).

Those straight-to-Game Pass games may not be major blockbuster successes but they're not remotely close to Concord. Concord is an epic failure that has no parallel.

He's one of the people that was hyped for Concord and expected big things. The closest thing Xbox has had to a Concord lately is Redfall. He just needs something from Xbox to compare to Concord to make himself feel better.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

He's one of the people that was hyped for Concord and expected big things. The closest thing Xbox has had to a Concord lately is Redfall. He just needs something from Xbox to compare to Concord to make himself feel better.

That's the thing though:

At no point did I ever hype up Concord or try to convince others it was amazing.

Completely contrary to people referring to reviewscores for games like Indy that are flopping practically on the same level as Concord.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

That's the thing though:

At no point did I ever hype up Concord or try to convince others it was amazing.

Completely contrary to people referring to reviewscores for games like Indy that are flopping practically on the same level as Concord.

Indi did made money via gamepass, no?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Indi did made money via gamepass, no?

Feel free to provide the data.

Indy sold like 300K copies total, maybe?
That's a joke.

And GP itself is killing Xbox, but that's a different matter.

 

[jm89]

Indi did made money via gamepass, no?

Indi made money via gamepass just like hifi rush.

That why tango is one of Xbox best first party studio working on hifi rush 2.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Feel free to provide the data.

Indy sold like 300K copies total, maybe?
That's a joke.

And GP itself is killing Xbox, but that's a different matter.

First tell me budget for Indiana Jones.

I am assuming it cannot be more than 40 million. Its made in Europe. A bigger game in KCD 2 was made for 40 million.

300k copies sold should equate to 15 million in revenue for Xbox from sales alone.

Game had 5 million players on gamepass. Assuming $5 per user, it should help game in breaking even easily.

 

[drganon]

First tell me budget for Indiana Jones.

I am assuming it cannot be more than 40 million. Its made in Europe. A bigger game in KCD 2 was made for 40 million.

300k copies sold should equate to 15 million in revenue for Xbox from sales alone.

Game had 5 million players on gamepass. Assuming $5 per user, it should help game in breaking even easily.

That's not data. That's you guessing.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

That's not data. That's you guessing.

Xbox games are cheap to produce and market.

Pretty obvious if you have been playing them.

Indi doesn't come across as unlimited budget production.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

First tell me budget for Indiana Jones.

I am assuming it cannot be more than 40 million. Its made in Europe. A bigger game in KCD 2 was made for 40 million.

300k copies sold should equate to 15 million in revenue for Xbox from sales alone.

300K would be total sales across all platforms.

And you really think Indy will be made on a budget lower than $15M?

Game had 5 million players on gamepass. Assuming $5 per user, it should help game in breaking even easily.

That's not money that Indy made, that's money that GP made.

Unless Indy directly and drastically increased GP subs.
But we know that not even COD moved the needle for GP, so you can forget about Indy doing so.

 

[xrnzaaas]

First tell me budget for Indiana Jones.

I am assuming it cannot be more than 40 million. Its made in Europe. A bigger game in KCD 2 was made for 40 million.

300k copies sold should equate to 15 million in revenue for Xbox from sales alone.

Game had 5 million players on gamepass. Assuming $5 per user, it should help game in breaking even easily.

The game surely had a massive budget, paying Disney and Harrison Ford must've cost a fortune alone. The marketing campaign was also pretty big.

Also:
- Running a studio in Sweden is way more expensive than in the Czech Republic
- The price of Game Pass is supposed to cover all additions and it's still possible to buy it cheaper so MS doesn't get the full price from the sub.
- MS doesn't receive the full cut from the copies sold on Steam and in PS Store.

I said it before that 4 million PLAYERS didn't look impressive for such a big release & IP. (Almost) 5 million now is still bad. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone's shaking hands and celebrating in public statements, but there's disappointment behind closed doors and that Machine Games will go back to making another Wolfenstein game (or some other shooter).

 

[vaibhavpisal]

300K would be total sales across all platforms.

And you really think Indy will be made on a budget lower than $15M?

No, I said it must be below 40M.

You complain about animations in that game.

Guess what, thats what makes it cheaper to produce.

You loved Concord for its gunplay and animations. Thats what jacks up the budget.

Am assuming total budget of all Xbox games releasing this year would be lower than Concord.

 

[Vick]

I'm not going to claim the game is an all time masterpiece

Look, I don't know if I'm going to be able to convince you of this after the end of this review, but I really believe that Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is an all timer and we're gonna be talking about it like 20 years from now.
It's going to be to be added to the list of best licensed games, best tomb raiding games, best Xbox games, like I really believe in this opening release window there is going to be some umming and ahhing about how well the hub areas work and how dumb the enemy AI is, whatever, but in five years time no one is going to give a fuck about any of that and all you're going see are Youtube essays like "they don't make games like this anymore" or doing like 6 hours deep dives into why Great Circle level design is so masterful. And I'm 100% serious about both of those predictions by the way, you can bookmark that.
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is so surprising for so many reasons, I mean first of all no one really had high expectations for this because we all kind of expected first person Uncharted, because what else could it be right? Well, alot more actually.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No, I said it must be below 40M.

Must be as in is, or must be as in you hope it is?

You complain about animations in that game.

Guess what, thats what makes it cheaper to produce.

You loved Concord for its gunplay and animations. Thats what jacks up the budget.

Am assuming total budget of all Xbox games releasing this year would be lower than Concord.

Yes, I know all that.

That's part of why all those games flopped. Which would make it worse for Xbox, because they had multiple attempts.

 

[SkylineRKR]

They brought Indy over for a reason.

Gamepass is not sustainable in the current climate. Maybe if Xbox sales and subs would soar to great heights. But this never happened. I can't see how Indy on Xbox alone would've been profitable.

Guess what, Microsoft announced the likes of Doom multiplatform from day one. Not even a timed exclusive. This is probably because Indy was initially planned to be exclusive like Starfield. But this time the board might've stepped in after the Starfield missed revenue and they ported it to PS5.

This is why I never worried about CoD. No way MS was going to lock that one out. I think Sony was actually in a stronger position to negotiate.

 

[Ashamam]

No, I said it must be below 40M.

Threw it into some AI and told it to factor in location, length of development, industry norms etc and your 40 is below range. Range given was 42-80million USD. (42 being base labour cost in house)

I would have thought 100m+ so I'm surprised it came in so low tbh. It isn't exactly a low budget no talent (referring to actors) studio.

edit: forced it to do some sanity checks against other titles and then against Machine Games projects and basically it arrived at 'yes that range is still about right' but probably the higher end.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Threw it into some AI and told it to factor in location, length of development, industry norms etc and your 40 is below range. Range given was 42-80million. (42 being base labour cost in house)

I would have thought 100m+ so I'm surprised it came in so low tbh. It isn't exactly a low budget no talent (referring to actors) studio.

His claim was below $40M, not even $40M.

And then you probably have to add license costs for the Indiana Jones IP.

 

[Ashamam]

His claim was below $40M, not even $40M.

Yeah I know, i was pointing out it was low ball. also note my edit.

 

[BlackTron]

It's not that difficult to understand. Many gamers can only afford to support one system and ecosystem. So when a game that you deeply enjoy is exclusive to the system you are in, it reinforces in the brain that you are supporting the "best" platform and have made the "correct" choice.

This in turn brightens the outlook and deepens the enjoyment factor.

It may not be the most rational thing, but it is how the human brain works.

As we get older, we get more perspective and these things mean less. Or we can afford to support more platforms and ecosystems. Either way, the effect is dampened.

Is this what people think I'm really thinking when I support exclusivity?

Jesus christ