Petition for Electors to elect Hillary Clinton
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I strongly dislike the electoral college, but I acknowledge it's the law of the land. To be a faithless elector is against every democratic ideal in this country.
People need to accept Trump won, and work on minimizing his agenda and preparing for 2018. Nothing else you can do at this point.
People need to accept Trump won, and work on minimizing his agenda and preparing for 2018. Nothing else you can do at this point.
paperboywriter
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don't boo, vote
You didn't agree to that system. You where simply born in it. Its a bad system and it caused controversies before (outside of USA too)
Every bodies vote should be equal but it is what is it, and only the government can change that rule (can't see it happen under Trumpy though)
Violent protests and riots at best.
At worst, civil war.
There is no chance. No chance at all.
Do you have any idea how many more gallons of blood will be spilt under Trump? How fucking clueless can you be?
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Deleted member 17706
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48 states have a winner-takes-all rule for the electoral college, so it's not like these electors in the college are necessarily choosing Trump under their own volition. They are obligated to honor the popular vote of their state.
You can apply that to a whole lot more than our electoral system. Should we throw everything away? Burn it to the ground and hope the victors of the bloodbath fashion together something better? Reckless and stupid if you ask me.
If lying to the American people is a crime, every politician in D.C. would be in Jail
ANd I get that.
The problem is that the consequences of this election might end up with no election in 2020. Trump is a fascist. A fairly elected democratic fascist, but that will not stop him from leading the country to ruin.
If this was romney or another republican, I would totally agree. But I do not see a future with the foundation of democracy shaken to it's core to be a worse future than one lead by President Trump.
The Technomancer
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You wouldn't have seen me on board with this for President Romney. Or President McCain. Or second term Bush.
None of them made civil rights violations a foundation of their platform, nor did they have a history of flagrant criminality.
Donald Trump is not generic R, and we're not just pissy because "our team lost"
Omega Kirby
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It's over man, it's over. It sucks but it's time to accept it, that mango man is going to be our next american President
If the Electoral College is ever going to have any positive effect on the country, this is its chance.
The EC overrode the voters' will and gave Trump the presidency. Similarly, it can give it to Clinton instead. This situation is exactly what the EC was designed for. If it can't prevent a blatantly unqualified and tyrannical person from becoming President, and instead GIVES them the Presidency, what use does it have!?
The EC overrode the voters' will and gave Trump the presidency. Similarly, it can give it to Clinton instead. This situation is exactly what the EC was designed for. If it can't prevent a blatantly unqualified and tyrannical person from becoming President, and instead GIVES them the Presidency, what use does it have!?
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Oh I thought a petition was democracy. Guess i'm mistaken. Always learning here.
electors voting whatever they want is part of the system. this is not undemocratic, it is literally how the american democratic system works
but a change.org petition is kind of futile
people need to contact the electors in person
if this is a bad precedent, maybe it could drive to a change in the electoral system towards one of simple representation
but a change.org petition is kind of futile
people need to contact the electors in person
if this is a bad precedent, maybe it could drive to a change in the electoral system towards one of simple representation
elrechazado
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What indication do you have that Trump will suspend elections? I'm sure we'd be talking about that quite a bit if realistic people thought this was a possible outcome.
ebullientprism
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Would you still be protesting this rule if your candidate won?
This is just sad and desperate. Might as well start asking Santa Claus at this rate.
We're born into a lot of rules that are dependent on social standards we have no control of. Collectively, socially, we agreed to it, and we'll stay agreed to it until laws pass to change it.
Look, I agree, the EC is questionable as fuck. But I am willing to admit that if the tables were turned and this happened to HC, I'd be furious and calling bullshit. The only reason I'm willing to accept it here is that the alternative is President Trump.
AuthenticM
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It's not going to happen, but it took me 10 seconds to sign it because the Republicans stole the election with years of Gerrymandering and voter suppression.
yanipheonu
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I mean protest and discontent are one thing. But this is actually futile.
Atom Heart Mother
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Don't think he said that...he just said to accept the outcome. People don't seem to understand that he got 270 first before her. He won fair and square.
People want to throwaway the electoral college because it wasn't in their favor. Stop this. Your candidate of choice agreed on it. She conceded and accept the loss. Take her example and act like that.
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Deleted member 17706
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Many presidents don't act on their campaign platforms either intentionally, or because the system just doesn't make it realistic.
Trump is a despicable man based on his actions and words, but I think it's a bit early to stop grabbing your guns and calling for revolution.
So my girlfriend should stop crying because the government assistance her mom and sister depend on is about the get blown away?
Ya, fuck you too.
ErasureAcer
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Die now through Civil War or die later through starvation, nuclear fallout, or Civil War? What a choice.
Pestilence11
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Everyone knew how the system worked.
The people opposed to this are the same who think minorities should take the treatment they are now experiencing laying down. That the disabled should take their services being stripped laying down. That LGBT groups just shut up when Mike Pence takes everything from them. It makes me fucking sick. You should all be ashamed.
RPGCrazied
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Probably be one anyway once he gets into office.
ebullientprism
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Again. This is not something that will ever work. I signed it and I am not even a US citizen LOL.
tearsintherain
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I'm sure republican party hardcores who were hand picked as electors will listen to a change.org petition.
Adam_Vania
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this week millions of bubbles are being popped, people stunned to find themselves living in a place others have been in for a long time. all that shitty stuff the majority has been able to ignore, that's always been there!
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Deleted member 17706
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Well, good luck finding allies in that battle.
Things are going to have to get pretty bad for the majority of people before a true revolution might happen. Personally, I don't want to see insane political instability in a country with so many nuclear weapons as this. I don't want to see how foreign powers would try to capitalize on an American civil war. I don't want to see what kind of system the victors, which are bound to be the most ruthless and not the most righteous, will implement.
Didn't the mass effect 3 ending get changed because of change.org?
No, this is another slacktivism activity to pretend you're actually doing something instead of you know, actually doing something.
No, this is another slacktivism activity to pretend you're actually doing something instead of you know, actually doing something.
Civil War sparked by electors influenced by an online petition seems like an appropriate end to this election.
CheDominik
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That doesn't mean people shouldn't make their voices heard. 99% of the time protests do jack shit but are still important for the political discourse in a country.
Petitions and protests are also parts of a democratic society and I support the idea of trying it, regardless of which party won or lost.
Fried Food
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"The will of the people"? Hilary won the popular vote
Because he's. a. FASCIST.
When I made that statement, I wasn't thinking so much that he would suspend the election so much as he would let the Republican Party reign free, allowing them to pass blatant voter suppression laws, permit voter intimidation, escalate gerrymandering and so on doing all they can to disenfranchise rights of minorities and deport citizens from this country. This isn't even hypothetical, this is stuff they're already doing under the confines of a democratic leadership. Now imagine them how they are now, with both the senate and congress, and a fascistic republican president.
This is all assuming he doesn't fire off nukes because someone made fun of his stupid hair or some shit and has society collapse under WW3.
So please don't do this. Don't legitimize a monster in the making.
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