PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream

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What is a racist?:
a) someone who actively dislikes hates other races?
b) who maybe isn't (a) but keeps the ideology alive by doing racist things like using the N-word for example?

Let's say as a consequence of (b) thousands of white 12 year old boys start using the N-word on the school yard. B type can be much worse than a silent non-social A-Type for the matter at hand.

If someone shoots one of your loved ones, does it really matter if
a) he did on purpose
b) accidentally did it because he's a jerk
This is correct.

Dude has millions of people watching him, a sizeable amount of that demographic is young and easily influenced. They will think it's ok to use it because their favourite Youtuber does it, because "it's not utttered with a racist connotation".

It's so common to see people on text and voice chat spew out racist slurs and stuff like this Pewdiepie incident is part of the problem.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.
 
Online gaming is so damn toxic nowadays, Pewdiepie saying that just amplifies what's wrong with the community.

I remember some girl was streaming on Twitch and got killed in PUBG and some kid, (likely white) was like "honey I found a n*****" in the most redneck accent possible then plays the Isis theme. She looked beyond shocked.

It's absolutely messed up the way some people think trolling is a way to bypass how messed up their behaviour can be.

Best wishes.

Well since Pewdiepie has 50mil+ subscribers, it wouldnt surprise me if some of these kids grew up watching him.

Racism is very alive, in all factors of life. It's not just gaming communities.

People just feel like they can say anything online and in videogames because there are no consequences, Youtube & Twitch don't do jackshit against blatant racists.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

you sound like an expert
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

He blurted out the n-word, then tried to cover it up with asshole, basically implying someone who is an n-word is really an asshole....

Stop defending him.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Maybe racism goes beyond white goods and ganging up on minorities. Maybe your use of language can make you a racist all the same.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Uh...if it walks like a goose and the n word rolls off their tongue likes it nothing, well.....
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Hes not a *lets hang them all* racist but he sure as hell is still racist.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Bullshit.

How was the N word a slipup when he uses it multiple times in different videos?

He is fully aware of what the N word means.

How would you know a racists when you see one? Can you tell me what they look like?

Or maybe you should just ( and only ) look at someones behaviour. Pewdiepie uses the N word multiple times.

Dressing up as a nazi I dont see that as funny considering they gassed and killed millions of innocent people.

Maybe you see the humor in it, then I wouldnt want to know you as a person.
 
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The fuck is Boogie on about here, LMAO. Calling someone a "fucking nigger" is personal politics? Alright then.

He's talking about the Campo Santo stuff.

And honestly, this is the hole people like PDP have dug and dragged the entire community into. I woke up this morning to a long twitter tirade from total biscuit about how he thinks it's bullshit that the youtube community has to quantify the fact that most of them aren't racist and how bullshit he thinks it is that not being racist isn't the default mindset you have towards these people.

There's a reason for that John. More and more high profile youtubers show themselves to be massive racists as the days go on. It paints all gamers in a negative light and, yes, now more than ever, you're going to have to quanitfy your beliefs because not being racist is no longer the default. People like JonTron, PDP, Boogie and all their apologists have removed the benefit of the doubt you once had.

Sorry. But that's where we're at.

wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

AGAIN, the question that no one defending this seems to be able to answer, how many times does he have to use racial epithets on stream in front of millions before you start questioning whether or not he's racist? Because this is like the 4th or 5th documented time.

Like, real talk, if the New York Times comes after you and calls you racist, you can't, just months later, slip up and start using "niggers" on your stream. He should know better. Or maybe he just doesn't because this is how he actually feels.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Why do you think he slipped in the first place ? How is it that he even had the impulse to make that remark? What does it say about a person If his impulse is to make a racist remark which he should always keep in check so as not to 'slip' ?

Flag waving racists aren't the only kind of racists.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

He's said the word multiple times, and know what it means. And even with that, he keeps using it. He's racist, period. Our words and acts have always consequences.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

You've not answered the question.

What does a racist act like?

How do you use that word and not be a racist?
 
How do you slip up and use the N-word? That's fucking bullshit. For it to be a slip up, you have to be using it on the reg in private, and unless you're a total racist, there's no reason to EVER USE IT.
 
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The fuck is Boogie on about here, LMAO. Calling someone a "fucking nigger" is personal politics? Alright then.

The real scariness is people losing their revenue, not people knowing there are others around them that think they are less than human, simply due to the colour of their skin.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.
I'm tired of this slip up excuse being used, how do you "accidently" slip up using the n word while playing a video game. How does such a random word accidently slip out ofyour mouth ? Easy he uses it consistently with his friends
 
Sorry (lots of) typos

My bad too, was editing but my connection is laggy.

What's Venashing? Can't google it.

Oh, The Vanishing, soz. It's a game developed by a man who happily aligns himself with a politically toxic online movement. Gamergate.

Gonna go on a limb and assuming you didn't know about that controversy, but it's a defining chapter in gaming culture, no, online culture in general. And it's a touchy subject on GAF.
 
Regardless if he's racist or not, a person with his platform doing/saying shit like that is incredibly dangerous. Online gaming culture is already fucking toxic as is, and the last thing our hobby/culture needs is millions of young impressionable kids seeing this shit and thinking it's okay to do or say.

And this fits into the pattern of problematic things he's done, so this isn't some one-off thing. Anyone handwaving this away is either blind or is fine with the toxicity and hatred that permeates gaming culture.
 
Had he done live streams before this? Clearly doesn't have the personality to appear on anything not heavily edited.

Also, lol at all the Juniors showing up. There should be a count after all this of how many people were banned in this thread.

The worst part is the disappointment when you find out a personality you liked ends up siding with PewDiePie.
 
Not a pewdiepie fan by any means, but i can tell the guy isn't an actual racist. can't help but feel a bit bad for him for the shitstorm he has instore. He's fucked.

Instead of feeling bad for a racist that doesn't care, how about you feel bad for people that are actually victimized by the hate that PDP and the people of his ilk continue to perpetuate?

I mean, that's why we're still even to this day having this discussion.
 
He's talking about the Campo Santo stuff.

And honestly, this is the hole people like PDP have dug and dragged the entire community into. I woke up this morning to a long twitter tirade from total biscuit about how he thinks it's bullshit that the youtube community has to quantify the fact that most of them aren't racist and how bullshit he thinks it is that not being racist isn't the default mindset you have towards these people.

There's a reason for that John. More and more high profile youtubers show themselves to be massive racists as the days go on. It paints all gamers in a negative light and, yes, now more than ever, you're going to have to quanitfy your beliefs because not being racist is no longer the default. People like JonTron, PDP, Boogie and all their apologists have removed the benefit of the doubt you once had.

Sorry. But that's where we're at.



AGAIN, the question that no one defending this seems to be able to answer, how many times does he have to use racial epithets on stream in front of millions before you start questioning whether or not he's racist? Because this is like the 4th or 5th documented time.

Like, real talk, if the New York Times comes after you and calls you racist, you can't, just months later, slip up and start using "niggers" on your stream. He should know better. Or maybe he just doesn't because this is how he actually feels.

Sadly, this. This is the new reality youtubers are slowly waking up to, when a few rotten, spoiled, shit covered apples ruin the bunch.
 
I tried watching one of his Let's Plays for the first time a few months ago and I can't understand how this guy has any audience at all. He's unbelievably weird/irritating. Saying stuff like this just makes him even more irritating.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

I assume you are a person of white color then. The lines between being a racist (by your definition) and someone who pulls the child-innocence-ignorance-card may look much more blurry from the perspective a person of different color.

The victims of racism are more likely to be the ones to define what racism is, not the ones who executed it.
Can we agree on this?
 
Makes no sense to wonder what a racist truly is or isn't in his deep deep heart. It's the actions that count towards making others feel accepted. His actions were careless and offensive towards another race, they help perpetuate racism and therefore are racist.
 
Had he done live streams before this? Clearly doesn't have the personality to appear on anything not heavily edited.

Also, lol at all the Juniors showing up. There should be a count after all this of how many people were banned in this thread.

The worst part is the disappointment when you find out a personality you liked ends up siding with PewDiePie.

People were counting banned anime avatars before, those were up to 52.
 
Sadly, this. This is the new reality youtubers are slowly waking up to, when a few rotten, spoiled, shit covered apples ruin the bunch.

It's saddening, but when we have the early chain of commentaries and views about this are popping up on YT, their line appears to be 'fence-sit' like Boogie, or defend him and dog-whistle about the word being used by black people, followed by seemingly sporadic none-acknowledgement by any of his peers, or larger YT channels in general, you have to limit how much sympathy you can give these people if they aren't going to defend the integrity of their profession.
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

Well, there are several things not working in your favor, here. The first thing is that racism isn't what you make it out to be. What a racist is isn't what you make it out to be. Just because some people has blatant, outrageous racist and elitist ideas, doesn't meant that someone who's not as bad isn't a racist. The biggest issue I have with this happening, though, is that with all the bad weather Pewdiepie has been in over his actions and statements, he doesn't immediately regret saying this. He goes "I don't mean that in a bad way" about 20 seconds after having said it the first time. If he had realized that it is not OK to use the word he did in the manner he did, if it was a genuine slip up due to cultural differences, he still should have immediately regretted it. I'm Scandinavian, and I once outright used the word "nigger" in a way that made all Americans spit their drinks at once. It was a cultural difference thing, and it was a very long time ago. I didn't understand the word at the time, but trust me, I have understood it from that day forward.

He's past the point of being able to cite this as a cultural difference, because he's been through this, now. He shows he realized that he'd used a bad word and tried to downplay it by saying "it wasn't meant like that", but the truth is that without any sort of "that was a slip up, and I really did not intend to use that word", it really can't be called anything but racism at this point.
 
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The fuck is Boogie on about here, LMAO. Calling someone a "fucking nigger" is personal politics? Alright then.

This fucking guy....I shouldn't be surprised, Mr. let's all meet in the middle...

Boogie is a completely idiotic dope....
 
wow, so in response to everyone, I know what a racist acts like.. Is he a total manchild? a total Idiot? Yes. definitely. The nazi stuff was a wannabe comedians attempt at satirical comedy. The N word was clearly a stupid slip up. I don't believe he is a racist.

I was brought up in one of the most culturualy diverse areas in London. I know a racist person when I see one. he simply isn't a racist. He's just stupid.

I was in the middle of typing out a response to this when they were banned. But as someone who is also from a culturally diverse area of London, I found using that as a reasoning for why PDP isn't racist hilarious. I can guarantee if you called someone a 'fucking n***er' here, they wouldn't see it as a silly little 'slip up'.
 
I don't have anything to contribute to the topic because, how the hell does someone justify this kind of behavior?

Just wanted to say to the GAF community, thank you for advocating for proper behavior and making sure that the threads are free from racism and bullshit that others try to spew. I'm proud to be a GAFer.

On a sidenote, I think these threads are necessary because it does help "purge" certain posters who clearly are racists or GG sympathizers and then still take it a step further.
 
''Those accused of uttering slurs can defend themselves against this charge of racism by insisting that the utterance in question is "not a slur." In the case of gaffes or slips, the defense focuses, not on the words, but on the speaker. The speaker is defended as "not a racist," but as someone who has uttered racist words without having racist beliefs or intentions. The actual linguistic content of slurs and gaffes can be identical; one commentator's slur is another's gaffe. And both types of metalinguistic discourses – defending words in the case of slurs, but speakers in the case of gaffes – reproduce racializing stigma, protect White virtue, and advance White privilege by denying the existence of White racism.''

From The Everyday Language of White Racism by Jane H. Hill, p. 88
 
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