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[Pelta88]

Please don't try and start console war shit.
Let this thread die peacefully.

I'm guessing that the people whose posts you love to regurgitate, over at resetera, haven't bumped their version of this thread yet. So you're against it.

The moment they do you'll give us an update.

 

[feynoob]

I'm guessing that the people whose posts you love to regurgitate over at resetera, haven't bumped their version of this thread yet. So your against it.

The moment they do you'll give us an update.

If you want to argue about this topic, use this thread.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...oval-watch-ot.1641775/page-367#post-267355467

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Why do you think all the other big publishers aren't following the GamePass model?

It's either boosting revenue relative to the old model or it's dulling profits relative to the old model.

Why aren't you more skeptical of PR statements from corporate leadership?

Big publishers like EA or Ubisoft? They already have sub services. Vast majority of publishers aren't big enough to have sub services. Sony is following into the GamePass model now too. Your post comes off as very ignorant.

What PR statement are you talking about? Wasn't this an interview answer?

 

[Shane89]

it is for them, but it's not for most devs

 

[GHG]

Profitable without 1st party games in 2022 ?... not bad!

That was the catch all along.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Phil should get the same treatment Mommy Ross got.

 

[Baemono]

But why are we only counting the cost of these third-party deals? A large portion of first-party game development costs should also be accounted in the "Gamepass costs" because those games are made available day one to GP subscribers, which affects lifetime game sales.

Same goes for server and xCloud hardware costs.

Funny enough, you got the answer

 

[Rien]

My asshole is also profitable but only shit comes out

 

[Dr Bass]

Anyone with a brain knew they were pulling accounting shenanigans. I feel like this news is more akin to fireworks. We just got the details, we already knew it was bunk.

 

[LordCBH]

 

[Topher]

But why are we only counting the cost of these third-party deals? A large portion of first-party game development costs should also be accounted in the "Gamepass costs" because those games are made available day one to GP subscribers, which affects lifetime game sales.

Same goes for server and xCloud hardware costs.

Damn......you nailed this one

 

[Zacfoldor]

Phil how do you do it?

"Well I just combined the Live Puppet Axe head with the Krat Police Baton handle and slapped it straight across Gaf's ass and they went down like a sack of bricks."

 

[Trogdor1123]

It's not hard to move some numbers around and appear profitable. It all depends where you allocate the costs.

Not saying this is happening but certainly something to watch.

 

[Zacfoldor]

It's not hard to move some numbers around and appear profitable. It all depends where you allocate the costs.

Not saying this is happening but certainly something to watch.

I think you can say this is happening.

Thread 'Chris Dring - I asked[Xbox] for clarification on the "Game Pass is profitable" claim, and was told no first party costs are included.'

Jul 7, 2025

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[VolticArchangel]

That was the catch all along.

 

[aliadiere25]

Phil Spencer lied under oath, so we know he will lie to the general public.

 

[Roman Empire]

 

[Banjo64]

The one on the right always has the horniest look on her face man - I watch it every time just for that alone.

 

[Negotiator101]

The one on the right always has the horniest look on her face man - I watch it every time just for that alone.

What show is that?

 

[Banjo64]

What show is that?

I just watch the GIF every time. No idea on the show sorry.

 

[Scrawnton]

What show is that?

One life to live. A soap opera. My sister used to watch it when I was in high school / college 18 years ago.

 

[Kvally]

I think you can say this is happening.

Thread 'Chris Dring - I asked[Xbox] for clarification on the "Game Pass is profitable" claim, and was told no first party costs are included.'

Jul 7, 2025

• jm89
• Replies: 339
• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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"Ok, I need to correct/clarify something. First, Xbox Game Pass is profitable, even when you factor in the lost sales for its first-party teams, sources who would know have told me.

Over 18 months ago, I checked with Xbox about what's included in the Game Pass P&L. Basically, I was looking to see if Game Pass's costs factor in the impact to unit sales of their internal studios. I was told that first-party games have their own P&L separate to Game Pass as they make money via other means. I felt this piece of internal accountancy might mean Game Pass is profitable, but it sure does put pressure on the margins for its internal games and POSSIBLY means some studios don't make as much profit (or any profit at all).

That doesn't actually matter in real terms, but seeing the impact Game Pass was having on first-party games, and the amount of money Xbox was spending on studios, I wanted to check if the full impact of the service was being considered in their 'Game Pass is profitable' line.

(This was before Xbox started publishing fully on PS5. Studios can now make stronger margins on premium sales as a result of that move)

But regardless to all that. sources have reached out to tell me that even when you include lost revenue associated with first-party party games (not just unit sales, but microtransactions), Game Pass is still profitable. So… that's great!

Right. Tony Hawks is out. Let's get back to that!"

 

[Karim]

"Ok, I need to correct/clarify something. First, Xbox Game Pass is profitable, even when you factor in the lost sales for its first-party teams, sources who would know have told me.

Over 18 months ago, I checked with Xbox about what's included in the Game Pass P&L. Basically, I was looking to see if Game Pass's costs factor in the impact to unit sales of their internal studios. I was told that first-party games have their own P&L separate to Game Pass as they make money via other means. I felt this piece of internal accountancy might mean Game Pass is profitable, but it sure does put pressure on the margins for its internal games and POSSIBLY means some studios don't make as much profit (or any profit at all).

That doesn't actually matter in real terms, but seeing the impact Game Pass was having on first-party games, and the amount of money Xbox was spending on studios, I wanted to check if the full impact of the service was being considered in their 'Game Pass is profitable' line.

(This was before Xbox started publishing fully on PS5. Studios can now make stronger margins on premium sales as a result of that move)

But regardless to all that. sources have reached out to tell me that even when you include lost revenue associated with first-party party games (not just unit sales, but microtransactions), Game Pass is still profitable. So… that's great!

Right. Tony Hawks is out. Let's get back to that!"

What exactly is clarified? It's the same claim with different words.

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[Sintoid]

You misunderstood
Phil is making A LOT of profit with Gamepass

 

[Hudo]

I got warnings for necroing cooler threads than this.

 

[Punished Miku]

Game Pass is still profitable. So… that's great!

Right. Tony Hawks is out. Let's get back to that!"

Hey guys, post your high scores in Tony Hawk! Or your favorite song. Anything but my pointless story.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Hey guys, post your high scores in Tony Hawk! Or your favorite song. Anything but my pointless story.

What's pointless about this?

This is meaningful as it debunks older statements and implications by Xbox officials.

 

[Kvally]

Hey guys, post your high scores in Tony Hawk! Or your favorite song. Anything but my pointless story.

My favorite band is Bon Jovi!