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Pillars of Eternity by Obsidian Entertainment (Kickstarter) [Up: Teaser]
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As someone who would probably have kited like a coward through the whole game this should make the combat a lot deeper for me. or i will use a melee character to setup my kiting.
I do wonder if there is a potential issues with not needing line of sight and blocking a doorway from around the corner?
I do wonder if there is a potential issues with not needing line of sight and blocking a doorway from around the corner?
Engagement makes so much sense, I've always wondered why no CRPG has implemented a similar system in the past (or have they?). Imagining a real fight where one part simply decides to run away from a close combat encounter with little to no repercussions is very silly indeed. Warhammer (the tabletop game) has a similar concept and I believe it's carried over to the RTS games as well, which makes a lot of sense.
I see some comments on the KS page about potential problems with getting locked down by non-threatening enemies, or having to babysit your characters to make sure they don't auto-attack an enemy and Engage them before you can redirect them to your desired target. These concerns are valid, and having some sort of number attached to the lock-down ability would make sense to prevent silly situations like a feral rabbit locking down a fully armored knight.
I see some comments on the KS page about potential problems with getting locked down by non-threatening enemies, or having to babysit your characters to make sure they don't auto-attack an enemy and Engage them before you can redirect them to your desired target. These concerns are valid, and having some sort of number attached to the lock-down ability would make sense to prevent silly situations like a feral rabbit locking down a fully armored knight.
I'm pretty sure Neverwinter Nights 2 has a similar feature in which player characters throw a reflexes check to see if they hit enemies trying to "disengage".
It sounds good, and I like how classes have skills that interact with that mechanic. Really all about the game's gameplay design seems superb so far.
It sounds good, and I like how classes have skills that interact with that mechanic. Really all about the game's gameplay design seems superb so far.
I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but what would happen if a long ranged weapon user wants to assist his melee party member, who is currently engaged in melee combat. Is there a possibility that he may hit his own team member?
Or don't we know anything about "friendly fire" yet?
Or don't we know anything about "friendly fire" yet?
Yes, Attacks of Opportunity in NWN1 and 2. They were pretty annoying.
I'm certain friendly fire works with AoE attacks, not point to point attacks. Wouldn't make sense otherwise in a non-first/third person action.
New update, JES' back with more game design stuff yayyy: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../415136?ref=email&show_token=b43ffe4d65993f15
This update's nuts.
gotta love these updates. Obsidian is quickly becoming my most beloved developer if they weren't already it. I'm ready!!! Bring me home J.Sawyer!!!
Yup.
J.E Sawyer response on the Obsidian forum.
http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/63432-update-44-the-rules-of-melee-engagement/page-5
Start reading from post #84 and onwards for Sawyer's other comments.
http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/63432-update-44-the-rules-of-melee-engagement/page-5
Start reading from post #84 and onwards for Sawyer's other comments.
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1834304/project_eternity_kickstarter_chat_7.html
NowGamer interview with Adam Brennecke. Sorry if old.
NowGamer interview with Adam Brennecke. Sorry if old.
Good interview. Doesn't give as much new information about the game so much as it's a good indication of the production sentiments of the team.
It's cool to here that they are excited to finally own and IP of their own that they can completely control and dictate it's development. I really hope this series takes off. If they make a good profit, they will probably be able to take all of this places.
Delusibeta
Banned
No, the last update mentioned that the form to tell them all that isn't finished yet.
I backed $100 and I really hope they don't waste money putting romances in the game. Romances fucking suck in RPGs, even in BG2. Jaheira, Viconia, Aerie, all shit. And nowadays you have to shoehorn LGBT romances in as well just to be politically correct which wastes even more time.
I would rather my money went to putting in a secret uber boss or another adventuring questline than having the option to buy some chick flowers and eventually sleep with her.
Note: I am all for in-game whorehouses.
Summary: less romance, more adventuring and whoring.
I would rather my money went to putting in a secret uber boss or another adventuring questline than having the option to buy some chick flowers and eventually sleep with her.
Note: I am all for in-game whorehouses.
Summary: less romance, more adventuring and whoring.
You say this as if it's super common for games to have LGBT romances, also this is not what political correctness is.
Seriously how are LGBT romances politically correct?Remember how Liara's romance with Femshep create a huge scandal?
Well its in the last few big wrpgs I can think of (ME3, DA1 & 2, Skyrim, SWTOR). Hence I said nowadays. Also I have no problem with LGBT romances in games, I just don't like romances in games in general. LGBT was only mentioned because I see a trend of developers including more romances in games, not less. Really not going to get into a debate about what is or isn't political correctness.
I know I'm probably in the minority though; just stating my opinion.
I don't think Skyrim's romances really count since they were superficial.
The rest are Bioware games, and I think they only over did romances with DA2, which had much bigger problems.I don't know much about SWTOR but if it broke the taboo of homosexuality in Star Wars then I'm glad they added some same sex romances.
I'm not a fan of romances in game and don't really want them in Project Eternity but I don't really mind either way.
Moff
Member
is this some kind of a joke?
well I backed 140$ and I dont walk around pretending that gives me any right to tell them what to do. quite the contrary, I support this kickstarter project because I want obsidian to be completely free of dumb investors who know nothing about making good games. and if obsidian think romances are a good addition to the game then hell yeah they should invest time and my money into that aspect of the game.
Why is it shoehorning when it's LGBT?
Anyway, I completely disagree - Romances are integral to almost any story. Think of a story, does it have a love interest? Of curse it does. It just makes the story and game feel more complete. You may disagree, but I do think a lot of people will be glad to have romances. I'd want a couple of LGBT ones as well. They should just do it like BG2 - Optional, but if you choose to do it, it should feel complete and satisfying.
I also don't mind whorehouses...
SerArthurDayne
Member
I don't mind romances or whorehouses. Romances in whore houses? Probably a bad idea.
I, however, don't even remember what add-ons I bumped up my pledge for. Maybe I can find out in my old posts.
edit: I pledged 30 over. I'm thinking soundtrack Cd and card. Not really sure about the cards, but I don't think my 10 can get me anything else physical.
I, however, don't even remember what add-ons I bumped up my pledge for. Maybe I can find out in my old posts.
edit: I pledged 30 over. I'm thinking soundtrack Cd and card. Not really sure about the cards, but I don't think my 10 can get me anything else physical.
i think the "shoehorning" people dislike is when all romance options are orientated towards the player characters gender. I do not play a lot of bioware tripe but can see it as a potential failing of characterization if all the companions are written twice, it also may not follow into the main game non romance conversations.
Prax
Member
I really DO hope they put romances / possible pairings in! I love that tripe, even if it sucks. lol (hopefully it doesn't though~!)
And I also want LGBT romances "shoehorned" and crammed in.
Ideally, wouldn't an uber sidequest that leads to the romance or seals the romance be cool? I love character sidequests. But even if it's like:
This dungeon/quest/boss fight shows the backstory of a love gone really wrong, and you and a companion of your choosing (or maybe a split party) partially reenact the events to this mess until the very end where there are a few choices (make a decision the messed up lovers didn't, kill the lovers, etc. etc.), and one of the choice branches can cement your relationship with a companion if you should desire (or even cement a relationship between two companions you WANT to pair~! --please let there be every permutation between 2 party members possible!). This can be an end-game dungeon/quest so it doesn't mess with the rest of the early game interactions.
You may have this idea, Obsidian! lol I know it is a very good one and kind of mirrors an avenue on romance they spoke about.
Hmm... Well, ideally each character would characterized with a sexual orientation in mind and the world will react to it in an appropriate manner. So it's whether or not you trust Obsidian's character building ability, and I do.
Like I think I said before, romance as a theme is fine, having characters be in love with each other or heartbroken is great, sex is great, etc., but making the player character be one of those is usually a very complicated task that I've rarely seen done well.
I mean, I haven't played BG2, but I thought ME2 did get stuff right but even then when it "broke" it was just too jarring.
I'd rather they went for what's comfortable for them, and if they don't want you to be able to romance people up then that's their decision.
They're welcome to try, though, this is Kickstarter after all, so if it crashes and burns I won't mind as long as it's ambitious.
I mean, I haven't played BG2, but I thought ME2 did get stuff right but even then when it "broke" it was just too jarring.
I'd rather they went for what's comfortable for them, and if they don't want you to be able to romance people up then that's their decision.
They're welcome to try, though, this is Kickstarter after all, so if it crashes and burns I won't mind as long as it's ambitious.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
There's nothing wrong with romances, the problem arises when they make them too indulgent.
It's just crass to straight-up show an awkward "love" scene (polygon sex) because gamers just aren't there animation/graphic wise to make it an engaging experience.
PS: T had romances, and despite there not being a physical pay-off to them, they are 10x more engaging than the bullshit you can find in any given Dragonage or Mass Effect game.
Fortunately there won't be 3D cutscene pay-offs to romances in Project Eternity, as it is a 2D game (I dunno though, will there be cutscenes? I hope not).
It's just crass to straight-up show an awkward "love" scene (polygon sex) because gamers just aren't there animation/graphic wise to make it an engaging experience.
PS: T had romances, and despite there not being a physical pay-off to them, they are 10x more engaging than the bullshit you can find in any given Dragonage or Mass Effect game.
Fortunately there won't be 3D cutscene pay-offs to romances in Project Eternity, as it is a 2D game (I dunno though, will there be cutscenes? I hope not).
Mass Effect did have an uncommonly effective 'romantic' moment with Liara in the 3rd game, which was surprising as it's generally presented in a hackneyed and immature fashion in those games. A very rare moment of inspiration for Bioware, I suppose. It can be done well, but few seem able to get it right. It's much easier to create violent interaction in games.
Technology-wise it's pretty doable, just have them make out, get into bed and fade to black, we don't need to see them rubbing against each other clipping all over the place.
I thought ME and TW2 did a couple tasteful foreplays, it's not actually a bad payoff, it's just that they bite more than they can chew and overall it feels super awkard for your relationship with a character to end the moment you have sex with them.
I dunno about Bioware but usually I try to keep anyone willing to have sex with me as close as possible, I don't run out of conversation options as soon as I get laid (usually).
I really liked the one with Liara from the first game as well =O
I wish I could clip. That would be hot. Add in some sexy pantie z-fighting!!!
I really liked how in BG2 the romances were optional but also felt integral and important to the plot. It was also very tastefully done in terms of sex - most of the romances were not heavy on sex and never felt cheap. Maybe that's a side effect of graphical limitations, but it was very good.
Actually, the move to 3D was a huge blow to female characters - in BG2, you see only a little of the characters sprite and none of the portraits were very sexual (even Viconia, the most sexual of all the characters in the game, was tasteful.) Since then, developers feel the need to make female characters dress as ridiculously as possible.
Actually, the move to 3D was a huge blow to female characters - in BG2, you see only a little of the characters sprite and none of the portraits were very sexual (even Viconia, the most sexual of all the characters in the game, was tasteful.) Since then, developers feel the need to make female characters dress as ridiculously as possible.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity/posts/426779?ref=activity
Update by a fan of dinosaurs.
Update by a fan of dinosaurs.
Tbh they're phrasing it wrong, rather
Tiny cave thingie looks good, I guess, can't see, but good to hear they're almost out of prototype phase.
Can't wait to see this shit in motion
SquiddyCracker
Banned
No shit!
trab pu kcip
Member
meh it confused me at first, too but I guess you're right.
I was so excited when I read "animating" :S
new update: Odds and Ends
overall positive progress on all fronts, and some new art:
personally I like the knights, not so much the barbarians.
also I think in-game pics in two weeks? probably just background but still.
overall positive progress on all fronts, and some new art:
personally I like the knights, not so much the barbarians.
also I think in-game pics in two weeks? probably just background but still.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I like the hat.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
I'm digging that concept art. I like that the female soldier/knight in armor has her hair back in a pony tail too, even if its just concept art. Always bugs me when games have female soldiers with super long hair flying around. I'd think that would be kind of annoyance if you were in battle.
Looking forward to seeing some new images or footage in a couple weeks.
Looking forward to seeing some new images or footage in a couple weeks.
Yea I laughed at that. Looks like something out of a high school Shakespeare play.
You think that is silly ....
then here look at this:
If you see someone funny looking on battlefield you know shit is about to get real.