fizzelopeguss
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You've got to be shitting me, obsidian continue to have some of the worst artists in the business. Who thought the ren-faire look was a good idea?
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Pillars of Eternity by Obsidian Entertainment (Kickstarter) [Up: Teaser]
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You've got to be shitting me, obsidian continue to have some of the worst artists in the business. Who thought the ren-faire look was a good idea?
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Stretch Goal: R. A. Salvatore write dialog for an exicting new NPC who managed to come to the world of Blandlandia through an extra-dimensional portal! Hint: He's neither a hobbit, a dwarf, nor a depressing barbarian. Another Hint: He married his best friend's daughter, but we swear it wasn't creepy.
Oh please no. Let Driz'zt stay in the Realms....
EndcatOmega
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Madrugador
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Paypal is at 30k according to Obsidian's Twitter account. They also said there is going to be an update soon.
They have a lot of time to polish art. Sometimes characters are created in a year or two not in few days. Judging art on concept even before game is made is stupid assumtion.
As of me i love the art actually it's down to ground fantasy without stupid looking and oversized armors like in 99% of games. Right now my favorite is that woman with gun. Especially face because she doesn't look like porn star but believable woman.
Expansion pack coming six months after the games release.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../324405?ref=email&show_token=6e66a62781adb8f2
Also some people are getting wasteland added to their tiers but I think everyone who pledged for this probably already has it.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects.../324405?ref=email&show_token=6e66a62781adb8f2
Also some people are getting wasteland added to their tiers but I think everyone who pledged for this probably already has it.
Same here someone @ Neogaf will be happy to receive free copy in future.
Yeah. Wouldn't most of supporters of Wasteland 2 already own a copy from that kickstarter? I guess I'm assuming there's a lot of overlap already.
Probably isn't. We'll probably get a screenshot or a super quick video. I also expect an Obsidian AMA before the end of the Kickstarter. That should get them some traffic.
Kickstarter is not for restricted fund donations. This is not the YMCA of tulsa and you are not a wealthy corn baron with a guilty conscious. Its general revenue no ones dollars are going to anything directly.So, how is the allocation of funding being divided in terms of the expansion? Because if my $80 tier money goes to the funding of an expansion I am not entitled to, then the funding becomes rather fuzzy.
I'm sorry, but it looks like something from Deviantart.
Sure, but if they are splitting the current budget in two to support the expansion, than I feel kind of ripped off. The base game could be much bigger if they used the full budget. In fact, the product they have been pitching is Project Enternity itself, not the expansion.
Anyway, that's not what I believe, I trust Obsidian enough to actually make an awesome base game and a great expansion.
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm too tired atm.
I'm sorry, but it looks like something from Deviantart.
Looks like a native-American voodoo swashbuckler hailing from England (or maybe Spain?), which doesn't make any sense at all.
Sentenza
Member
Yep. Sorry Obsidian, but that's just ugly.
Well, they could sell the second copy or give it to a friend. Seriously, who complains about free extra stuff?
I don't think that's what would make people upgrade. They need better stretch goals (If they don't get Ziets on board by the end of the kickstarter it would be a shame.) or rewards.
For example, some behind the scenes videos for the $35 or $50 tier and the physical soundtrack included in the $140 tier...it's the kind of stuff that makes you want to pay a bit more. Not an extra game you could get for $15 ($20 now) and an expansion you won't see until 2015 for $165! And it doesn't even include the Collector's Edition box...
Rawket Lawnchair
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So why didn't they create an extra low tier for those who pledged 20$ or 25$ and want the expansion as well?
I don't see them as spreading too thin because at some point they are going to hit a man hours barrier on the top staff. We cannot quantify an exact number without the budget but hitting whatever release window is going to involve a cut off in the creation of new content. I think the total size of the game plus expansion is going to be larger than the assumption of no expansion and a larger game because of that.
With the expansion there is a break in production to refocus on some new themes, locations, and characterization. A bigger base game wouldn't get that focus in extra man hours.
MesserWolf
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I was looking at the 2,6 million streach goal ..... full party creation ..... shouldn't that be a design decision rather than a goal 
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By the look of it, I would say that it will close just above the 2,6 millions ....
P.S. I agree with the post above saying that that art it defenately not great.
?By the look of it, I would say that it will close just above the 2,6 millions ....
P.S. I agree with the post above saying that that art it defenately not great.
I was looking at the 2,6 million streach goal ..... full party creation ..... shouldn't that be a design decision rather than a goal
By the look of it, I would say that it will close just above the 2,6 millions ....
P.S. I agree with the post above saying that that art it defenately not great.
I feel like the main focus is the companions and how they fit within the party. That's where the bulk of their efforts will be. Full-party creations is a stretch goal because it's something extra that they can add to the game if they have enough money. Because honestly, buoth mechanics are kind of opposites of each other. If you have full-blown party creation, the developer can't have as much unique or interesting characters because it needs to have a lot of diversity in terms of classes and races. You can't flesh out 6-7 different distinct characters when you have to account for 246 different combos.
SerArthurDayne
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My tier just keeps getting better. Free Wasteland 2 and expansion pack? Rock on.
SquiddyCracker
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I don't really like the sonud that they're using some of their development time and money for an expansion that we in the end have to pay for, but I'll let it pass as it probably require a trivial amount of time and money (which might very well start after this project has concluded) as they can reuse assets and engine stuff from PE.
Awesome art:
SerArthurDayne
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I didn't. Wasteland is a gap in my gaming history. Still almost donated, but physical whore and didn't want to donate that much. Free digital is cool, though.
Anyways, 250 tier and up already get 3 copies of PE, and 165 digital gets 2, so either free Wasteland or just another game to gift or sell if you already have it.
Mister_Bubbles
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With a bit of luck the stretch goals they announce tomorrow will be something that really captures peoples' interests. A new mechanic, perhaps, I dunno. I can sympathise with their difficulty with these stretch goals, it's hard thinking of 'exciting' new stuff to put into an old school RPG.
I'd like to see a really in-depth and intricate journal/encyclopaedia in the game, kind of a mix between Planescape: Torment with its pictures and Bestiary, Dragon Age: Origins with its depth and stories, and maybe find a way to put in some interactivity that allows you to research different topics, compare notes you find on your travels... you could get companions' journals as well that can feed into it....
Hrrm... Time for bed methinks :/
I don't think they're spreading the budget, they probably want to entice people to give more money now, but they'll use the revenues from selling the game to fund the development of its expansion pack.
Feargus in the comment section:
We are going to fund it ourselves and from the sales we get from Project Eternity when it comes available - not from Kickstarter funds. I don't think we will do a Kickstarter just for it, I'd rather see about funding the sequel that way - if you guys will still have us.
Lol, it's a good thing you can't tear people apart through the internet yet, because feargus would be long gone by now thanks to some of the crazed backers in the kickstarter update comments. His words about them funding the expansion pack with their own money were getting completely ignored. (Thanks for posting that).
Kind of disappointed with what they have shown so far in terms of art and general cultural/genre/thematic direction.
They have COMPLETE control over how this project looks and the world around it. Fixed-Isometric stuff is very forgiving for doing crazy outlandish stuff. But they are choosing to be very generic about things. It's not like a game-changer for me since I still love some good generic (written and looking) fantasy.
I just wish they were like BAM! heres some crazy starting races, influenced by some cool ancient civilizations or something. With classes that feel cultural - tribal, middle eastern or south american, anything!
Instead were getting european fantasy 101. It really doesn't help that there artist(s)(I hope they have more than 1) are not that great.
Here's to hoping there more good stuff to come and they really start pushing their creativity (art direction at least).
They have COMPLETE control over how this project looks and the world around it. Fixed-Isometric stuff is very forgiving for doing crazy outlandish stuff. But they are choosing to be very generic about things. It's not like a game-changer for me since I still love some good generic (written and looking) fantasy.
I just wish they were like BAM! heres some crazy starting races, influenced by some cool ancient civilizations or something. With classes that feel cultural - tribal, middle eastern or south american, anything!
Instead were getting european fantasy 101. It really doesn't help that there artist(s)(I hope they have more than 1) are not that great.
Here's to hoping there more good stuff to come and they really start pushing their creativity (art direction at least).
Yeah, it's actually the exact opposite of what people are whining about. They're using the expansion pack to get an even bigger budget for the main game right now, trusting that they'll at least sell enough copies of the game to finance the expansion -- plus, they probably have enough people getting the main game now that making an expansion pack became a no-brainer.
They aren't.
The Kickstarter is for Project Eternity, the main game, and nothing else. They'll fund the expansion with the money they earn after PE's release. Adding it already to the 165$ tier is just Obsidian's way of thanking the people who donate a whole lot of money; it's a little present.
It was probably a mistake to add it though, just because in the day and age of blind hate against anything DLC many people just don't use their heads to think as much as they should.
Yeah, I agree the art has been underwhelming. That said, sometimes art takes time. We got one piece of art during the entire Wasteland 2 kickstarter, didn't we? And nothing during all of Double Fine Adventure. Maybe Obsidian is just being a little too naive/open about what they share.
SquiddyCracker
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SerArthurDayne
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No sir. My wavering on 250 tier because I'm poor is no more thanks to updates like hardcover, expansion, and wasteland. Probably got a few to raise theirs as well.
And I think any rational analysis would come to Feargus' answer that the expansion will be funded by reinvesting profits.
Yeh come to think of it.
If some of these are main characters, unless they started before the kickstarter, they need to be in the oven A LOT longer. A single good character concept should take like 2 weeks full time.
Atleast they will have the ability to change things. I hope they don't feel like they get 'locked in' to any of these designs.
Edit -SquiddyBiscuit.
Yeah thats the exception and was their first piece of art right?
It looks like they spent longer thinking about things and making it interesting. Everything since has been a bit bleh.
In the end, I'm probably overthinking this.
I get the feeling they will change a lot of things over time.
That wasn't my post, but my suspicion was mostly born out of the lack of info. It's good to know that they are using Kickstarter to built the best game with the money they can get.
I'll still buy the next expansion.