Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides trailer

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Epix said:
Didn't see any CG in the trailer. Budget am cry?
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Um, they just finished filming a couple weeks ago. They haven't had much time to add the CG yet. The writers have assured us that we shouldn't worry about any budget issues. This movie will be on par with the others as far as budget and effects.

Here's what Terry Rosio said about the budget about 6 months ago:
I won't post spoilers but I'm happy to debunk falsehoods. Going line by line:

>> First, though, this movie magician is currently busy trying to
>> pull off his greatest trick yet - making another swashbuckling,
>> smash hit Pirates of the Caribbean film on a fraction of the
>> previous budgets.

A fraction? This is misleading if not entirely untrue, only because 9/10 is indeed a fraction.

>> Hit by the economic crisis, Disney has slashed at least 33 per
>> cent off his budget for the now shooting Pirates of the Caribbean
>> 4: On Stranger Tides ...

This is false. There was never a budget that was then slashed by 33 percent. That is impossible, in so many ways. One, the person budgeting the screenplay would lose their job. They have to try to get the most bang for the buck. If the same film can be made for 1/3 less, they've screwed up. (As an example, a film budgeted at 200 million would be made for 133 million. Not likely.) Next, you can't cut 33 percent of the budget without cutting 33 percent of the screenplay. The screenplay is always around 115 pages; no way have we lost 40 pages; some stuff gets cut, some gets added. Finally, this is an 'above the line' top heavy budget, which limits the percentages that can be cut.

It's not even right to say, "Hit by the economic crises ..." If anything, lower revenue projections have to do with less anticipated DVD sales due to alternate forms of delivery, independent of the economy.

>> and ordered cheaper locations (Hawaii and London instead of
>> the Caribbean), fewer special effect shots (1,300 rather
>> than 2,000) and a shorter filming schedule (95 days as opposed
>> to 142 on the third movie).

Cheaper locations -- wrong, and laughably so. It's more expensive to shoot in Hawaii and London than say New Orleans and Puerto Rico. Hawaii and London were chosen despite the high price tag, offset some by tax breaks, which means more movie overall for the money.

The special effects shots always start low on a film and then grow; you can't compare the finished number of effects on one film with the planned number of effects on another. Also, the content tend to be different with different stories; with Davy Jones, and crew, for example, everything was an effects shot. Blackbeard is not an effect, it's Ian McShane, and that was in no way an economic decision.

Regarding the shooting schedule, again, 142 days is after a hurricane or two, and after stopping and starting for various production reasons, and includes some of the difficulties of shooting two movies at once. But different stories require different amounts of time in any case. AWE might have been planned to be 110 days and gone over; if you count rehearsal days and second unit on P4 it's around a 100 days and counting, so what?

>> Typically, the ace producer has a plan and it's breathtakingly
>> simple. "The previous Pirate movies were two-and-a-half hours
>> long. This one will be under two hours. So there's less to shoot
>> but the movie remains very entertaining. We'll give the audience
>> more than they expect while still being very cost effective," he
>> tells me.

P3 was a Return of the King style conclusion of a trilogy, and probably should have been cut down some from its running time, and a lot of that running time is a credit scroll. The first cut of P4 will be, I promise, over two hours (as are all films), and then we go about tightening to best effect. I would bet that including credits P4 will end up over two hours running time. I see this as a function of the type of story that is being told, and nothing to do with so-called budget cuts.

>> There are other savings, including Johnny Depp's Captain
>> Jack Sparrow spending more time on land than water due to
>> the cost of filming at sea.

This one is nonsense. We had some specific story elements (including the Fountain of Youth) that demanded us to go onto land. And I'm not even sure that saves money.

>> When I ask if Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom have been
>> dropped for budgetary reasons, he dodges the question, saying:
>> "We decided to go in a different story direction this time but there
>> is more great British talent, including Ian McShane as our villain."

Again, wrong. The question was in no way dodged. Kiera made it clear she didn't want to continue. So how do you justify the word 'dropped?' Without Keira, the series logically would go in a new direction.
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I'm apparently one of the few who loves all three of the past PotC movies, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting excited about this one. The trailers for Dead Man's Chest and At World's End both got me really excited, but this one's not really doing much for me. I'll still definitely go see it though.

Does anyone else feel like Blackbeard is a bit of a step down from Davy Jones? Davy was a cursed undead pirate with a squid face, and an awesome, unique, and memorable villain. Blackbeard is... a pirate with a black beard.
 
Big Baybee said:
The ending of Pirates 2 was so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1uyq7r4mI

The theater went fucking crazy.:lol
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My favorite movie ending of all time, i remember losing my shit when i first saw that.

KevinCow said:
I'm apparently one of the few who loves all three of the past PotC movies, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting excited about this one. The trailers for Dead Man's Chest and At World's End both got me really excited, but this one's not really doing much for me. I'll still definitely go see it though.

Does anyone else feel like Blackbeard is a bit of a step down from Davy Jones? Davy was a cursed undead pirate with a squid face, and an awesome, unique, and memorable villain. Blackbeard is... a pirate with a black beard.
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Add me to that list too.
 
Looks fun. The main problem with 2 and 3 were overly convoluted plots. Sort that out and we'll have a decent summer flick on our hands here.

It's obvious that Penelope Cruz will be the best thing by far about this film. She's going to make an awesome pirate.
 
New, ummm, poster

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Solo said:
There was a newer trailer attached to Sucker Punch, which was much better than the first one.
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Yeah, I saw that as well. Definitely did seem better than the previous ones.
 
Haters gonna hate this poor new couple. I personally am rooting for them.

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French-Spanish actress Astrid Bergès-Frisbey as the mermaid Syrena, as well as Sam Claflin as Philip.
 
Awesome, another annoying young couple to ruin a Pirates movie. Outside of Blackbeard, everything about this movie looks and sounds bad
 
Replicant said:
And it was thanks to this plot, that we got one of the most exciting action sequences from the movie: the fight between Jack/Will/Norrington to obtain the key to Jones' chest.
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lol that fight scene sucked. It was boring, carried on too long, and was the official point where the theme song became overused.
PhoenixDark said:
Awesome, another annoying young couple to ruin a Pirates movie. Outside of Blackbeard, everything about this movie looks and sounds bad
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Really. What the hell is the point of ditching Legolas and Natalie Portman-girl if they're just going to replace them with even more generic looking characters?
 
PhoenixDark said:
Awesome, another annoying young couple to ruin a Pirates movie. Outside of Blackbeard, everything about this movie looks and sounds bad
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Penelope Cruz.

Your argument is invalid.
 
jett said:
Those two look even blander than the first two.
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Agreed. I'd prefer Orlando at this point. Can we just retcon 2 and 3 and somehow bring him back to replace this twat?

Anyways will watch for Depp, Keef and Penelope Cruz. She looks so fine as a pirate and looks a lot like my friend...who I am now having conflicting feelings for.
 
The new couple will have a more minor role than Orlando and Keira because the main focus is now on the interaction between Depp and Cruz. Cruz fills a role that didn't exist in the previous movies so she will take a lot of screen time from them.
 
Pirates is going to have a crazy big opening weekend isn't it?

I mean, I don't think it will open near the other two sequels, but with the added 3D inflation its gonna have a pretty big weekend.
 
Looking at the posters, my hype has been deflated substantially.

I don't know why they are reharshing the same plot over and over again...
 
On Stranger Tides looks kind of boring to be honest. At World's End was entertaining for its sheer batshit insanity. It was like the filmmakers just said "Fuck It" and threw every retarded thing they could think of into one fucked up movie.
 
george_us said:
On Stranger Tides looks kind of boring to be honest. At World's End was entertaining for its sheer batshit insanity. It was like the filmmakers just said "Fuck It" and threw every retarded thing they could think of into one fucked up movie.
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I still have to say despite how boring that film was it was really...unique, especially for a summer blockbuster film.

Limbo was so nutty, with the multiple Depps
 
Man, the I think damn trailer before Thor spoiled what was probably intended to be a pretty major reveal.

A mermaid is required to get to the Fountain of Youth, and Penelope Cruz's character is a mermaid. The second - if I saw it right, there were lots of quick flashes so I might be mistaken - seems like a HUGE thing that's intended to be a secret until a certain point in the movie. If I'm right, then the people who cut that trailer should be fired.
 
I have high hopes for this movie. It seems like they really wanted to make a movie that was similar to the first in terms of plot. They got rid of a lot of the side stories that bogged down the last 2 movies. The story in this one more closely follows Jack Sparrow and adds a couple new characters that I feel like they belong in the PotC universe. The movie premiered last night at Disney, so we should be seeing reviews soon.
 
Kenak said:
lol that fight scene sucked. It was boring, carried on too long, and was the official point where the theme song became overused.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. It was an absolute peak for movie swordplay (Western, certainly).
 
Several reviews have already come out, all positive (including the Hollywood reporter), and one middling (already on RT) by The Guardian

The Guardian's "meh" review pretty much summed up to "its pirates of the caribbean"

THR's Positive review praised Penelope Cruz, and noted that the film felt "darker" than the first 3 movies, also noted is that the 3d outdoor cinematography is rather good

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/pirates-caribbean-stranger-tides-review-186896

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/may/10/review-pirates-of-caribbean-4
 
So there was one thing I was 100% cerain I would get from POTC4, regardless of whether it turned out good or bad, and that was a bad ass Zimmer bombastic score (POTC3 is pure shit but he knocked the score out of the park).

Turns out, I was foolish to presume that:

1. Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow
2. Angelica Featuring Rodrigo y Gabriela
3. Mutiny
4. The Pirate That Should Not Be - Rodrigo y Gabriela
5. Mermaids
6. South of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids - Rodrigo y Gabriela
7. Palm Tree Escape Featuring Rodrigo y Gabriela
8. Blackbeard
9. Angry and Dead Again - Rodrigo y Gabriela
10. On Stranger Tides
11. End Credits
12. Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow Remixed by DJ Earworm
13. Angelica (Grant Us Peace Remix) Remixed by Ki:Theory
14. The Pirate That Should Not Be Remixed by Photek
15. Blackbeard Remixed by Super Mash Bros & Thieves
16. South of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids Remixed by Paper Diamond
17. Palm Tree Escape Remixed by Adam Freeland
18. Angry and Dead Again Remixed by Static Revenger
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Only 6 Zimmer tracks. LOL
 
Solo said:
Only 6 Zimmer tracks. LOL
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My understanding is that all eleven tracks are going to be by Zimmer, only those mentioned feature Rodrigo y Gabriela, which, if you aren't familiar with, you should seek out their previous work.

Link to official site:
http://pirates4soundtrack.com/

Also, there is a track you can sample inside. Sounds awesome. The spanish flamenco influence is strong, but it's really nice, and I imagine will suit the movie in certain scenes just fine.
 
Extollere said:
My understanding is that all eleven tracks are going to be by Zimmer, only those mentioned feature Rodrigo y Gabriela, which, if you aren't familiar with, you should seek out their previous work.
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Hopefully you are correct.
 
Extollere said:
My understanding is that all eleven tracks are going to be by Zimmer, only those mentioned feature Rodrigo y Gabriela, which, if you aren't familiar with, you should seek out their previous work.

Link to official site:
http://pirates4soundtrack.com/

Also, there is a track you can sample inside. Sounds awesome. The spanish flamenco influence is strong, but it's really nice, and I imagine will suit the movie in certain scenes just fine.
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Yum, that preview sounds great
 
I toured the fort San Cristobal in Puerto Rico yesterday and apparently part of it was filmed there so now I'm even more excited to see this!
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