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[Wheeljack539]

From some responses I'm getting the feeling that this movie would have likely been much better received had this not been skinned with the Buzz Lightyear story and had been its own thing. I understand and agree about Tim Allen and knowing why he wouldn't be in this so doing it differently wouldn't have had that strike (for those of us who already associate the voice with the character) amongst other things.

Regarding the whole kiss thing for those not in the know it was exacerbated during the debacle a few months back between Disney and Florida and one of the heads of Disney in a leaked zoom meeting had her stating that in response they would be adding more of that kind of content in their media and specifically mentioned Lightyear as an example as it was said to have been initially cut but with then events it was to be put in from that point.

 

[YCoCg]

It feels like a Disney+ movie that took the place of a more deserving movie, Turning Red should've been the first major movie.

 

[p_xavier]

I've not seen the film so I'm not sure exactly what's in it. But from my understanding there is a lesbian couple who are parents and there is a moment where they kiss. Is there anything else to it? Is that really something that is going to undermine society?

Any normalization of this is undermining society. Slippery slopes is now drag queens with strap-on dildoes teaching kids their ways with drag shows in bars.

I actually had a big fight with drag queen friends over this.

 

[strange headache]

Seeing the rise in socially induced transgenderism, I would say it's a duty for a sane nation to forbid such content. It is an attack to family values and I'm glad after these years we're getting back to a backlash on the hate of hetero nuclear families.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with transgenderism. The movie depicts a regular same-sex couple and their kids as a loving and caring family unit. Nothing devious about it.
Doesn't get any more "nuclear family" than that.

Any normalization of this is undermining society. Slippery slopes is now drag queens with strap-on dildoes teaching kids their ways with drag shows in bars.

Oh bugger off with this "slippery slope" fallacy. Supporting same-sex parents does not equate to supporting drag-queens grooming little kids!

 

[p_xavier]

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with transgenderism. The movie depicts a regular same-sex couple and their kids as a loving and caring family unit. Nothing devious about it.
Doesn't get any more "nuclear family" than that.

Everything comes from the normalization of abnormal comportments so yes, it is about it.

I have to fight Queer Theory homophobia everyday thus I will always fight to remove the LGBTBBQ+ propaganda.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Gay stuff in a kids movie? yeah that would cause it to have less views. Banned in a lot of states? Yeah that too. Not casting Tim Allen who fucking voiced Buzz for years? Fucking lol. And it's prolly not a good movie to begin with from what I heard so I wouldn't watch it even if you paid me.

 

[Chaplain]

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with transgenderism. The movie depicts a regular same-sex couple and their kids as a loving and caring family unit. Nothing devious about it.
Doesn't get any more "nuclear family" than that.

The ideology underpinning this scene is sourced in the dismantling of the traditional family (Disney said this to their employees a few months back).



So, much of the pushback has been against Disney's ultimate goal of relativizing traditional Western values.

 

[DKehoe]

Any normalization of this is undermining society. Slippery slopes is now drag queens with strap-on dildoes teaching kids their ways with drag shows in bars.

I actually had a big fight with drag queen friends over this.

Normalisation of what? Lesbian couples who are parents? There's been plenty of those for decades.

It'd be pretty wild if Lightyear 2 involved a strap-on dildo. Safe to say Buzz Lightyear wouldn't be cumming in peace if that was the case.

 

[Wheeljack539]

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with transgenderism. The movie depicts a regular same-sex couple and their kids as a loving and caring family unit. Nothing devious about it.
Doesn't get any more "nuclear family" than that.



Oh bugger off with this "slippery slope" fallacy. Supporting same-sex parents does not equate to supporting drag-queens grooming little kids!

It does not equate but they have been tied together more and more in the last decade since much of the activists have pulled it under a lettered umbrella which how the general public sees it as.

 

[strange headache]

Everything comes from the normalization of abnormal comportments so yes, it is about it.

I have to fight Queer Theory homophobia everyday thus I will always fight to remove the LGBTBBQ+ propaganda.

Dafuq? Same-sex parents caring about their kids is f*cking normal!
You rather children grow up with dysfunctional hetero couples, or stressed-out single parents?

Rail against gender ideology all you want, but this ain't it chief.

It does not equate but they have been tied together more and more in the last decade since much of the activists have pulled it under a lettered umbrella which how the general public sees it as.

So? Are you unable to have a nuanced opinion on this?

The ideology underpinning this scene is sourced in the dismantling of the traditional family (Disney said this to their employees a few months back).

Did you even f*cking watch the movie?
If anything it promotes family values, ffs!

 

[p_xavier]

Normalisation of what? Lesbian couples who are parents? There's been plenty of those for decades.

It'd be pretty wild if Lightyear 2 involved a strap-on dildo. Safe to say Buzz Lightyear wouldn't be cumming in peace if that was the case.

Seen any gay porn books in your kids' school libraries nowadays? Yeah, pretty much normalized already.

Why would you promote abnormal stuff for kids. I just don't get it?

 

[Nydius]

Pixar's quality seems to have taken a nosedive ever since John Lasseter was MeToo'd out of the company back in 2018.

I know he's just one man in the mega-corp that was Pixar but if you go back and watch a lot of the featurettes of past Pixar releases it's clear how instrumental he was in each and every new product Pixar put forward. If Lasseter were still there, I'm not sure Seeing Red or Lightyear would have seen light of day or, at the very least, would have been structured much differently.

 

[DKehoe]

Seen any gay porn books in your kids' school libraries nowadays? Yeah, pretty much normalized already.

Why would you promote abnormal stuff for kids. I just don't get it?

Do you think being gay or lesbian is a choice?

 

[p_xavier]

Do you think being gay or lesbian is a choice?

I'm gay? I also find it's abnormal and there's a nurture/nature about it and I would never wish to nurture gay people, and it's all the rage right now. Confused kids getting their dicks cut off because of Queer Theory. So every media that promotes an abormal lifestyle is a cancer on society for me.

 

[strange headache]

You are born gay, so no this movie is not going to make kids homosexual.
Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with caring same-sex parents, so why should a movie not be allowed to depict it?

No this is not "gay porn" and the alarmism in this thread is hilariously hyperbolic.
I think this is yet another case of Christian conservatives being triggered over nothing, much like their woke counterparts.

 

[DKehoe]

I'm gay? I also find it's abnormal and there's a nurture/nature about it and I would never wish to nurture gay people, and it's all the rage right now. Confused kids getting their dicks cut off because of Queer Theory. So every media that promotes an abormal lifestyle is a cancer on society for me.

I just feel like you're connecting unrelated things here. Again, I've not seen the film so I don't feel like I can properly comment on it. But from what I've heard about it, it sounds like it portrays a normal healthy relationship. Isn't it good for gay and lesbian people to have examples of those to look to?

 

[BaneIsPain]

Excellent news. When money hurts, mickey wakes.

 

[p_xavier]

You are born gay, so no this movie is not going to make kids homosexual.
Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with caring same-sex parents, so why should a movie not be allowed to depict it?

No this is not "gay porn" and the alarmism in this thread is hilariously hyperbolic.
I think this is yet another case of Christian conservatives being triggered over nothing like their woke counterparts.

You need to get yourself in a bit more about the ongoing culture war and the effects on sensitive people who are sold on the LGBTBBQ llifestyle.

Again, you're not born this way, it's nature/nurture, not only nature.

Question still remains: should my movie have Gay/Lesbians/Trans people in it? I will
always say no!

 

[Wheeljack539]

So? Are you unable to have a nuanced opinion on this?

Honestly? No due to being tired of watching that stuff creep into the media that I generally like and consume, especially in updates to older franchises. LD Voltron had it in its 6th season, the new She-Ra is built around it, God knows how RWBY has fared with its toxic fanbase since Monty died, Superman's kid has been aged up is gay and we got in the new Star Trek a legacy character Chapel now being bi with the possibility of them making James T Kirk bi as well, etc etc etc. And the people behind such things pat themselves on the back for it and thrive on the anger it kicks off.

If they want to do stuff like that then they should be upfront about it and with original IP rather than using existing ones and let it sink or swim as is.

The Lightyear stuff is more aggravating since (as posted above by Game Analyst) we know why they are doing this.

 

[strange headache]

You need to get yourself in a bit more about the ongoing culture war and the effects on sensitive people who are sold on the LGBTBBQ llifestyle.

I'm perfectly aware of the culture war, but this movie is not part of it. Go chose your battles where it really matters.
Depicting same-sex parents should not be reason for outrage.

Are you against homosexual couples being able to have children? If so, the problem lies purely with you, not the movie.

Honestly? No due to being tired of watching that stuff creep into the media that I generally like and consume, especially in updates to older franchises.

Yes honestly, this is you being unable to make the simple difference between media depicting regular same-sex parents and media promoting insidious gender ideology.

 

[killatopak]

Do you think being gay or lesbian is a choice?

I don’t know the answer to that but I’ve seen enough cases of people that are peer pressured into transitioning and later regret that. Mostly teenagers when they are unsure of their own sexuality. You see being lgbt is hip and popular especially on social media. A lot of these things affect children’s growing minds.

I’ve seen it used as a sword and shield from criticism despite pretending and not actually being part of that community.

I love my gay cousin. We grew up in the same home. Slept in the same room. It always saddens me when I see my cousin tells me how much people make her sexuality a product. Personally, I’m fine with any movie or show featuring the lgbt community but what I’m not fine with is their community being tacked on just for the sake of it. If you want to include anyone, even the straight people, make it meaningful and not a caricature or stereotype. Not a replacement, not a self insert and definitely not to demean them.

Disclosure. I have not watched the movie so I have no opinion towards how it is presented within. I’m only giving my opinion towards why this movie fell short and DKehoe’s comment.

 

[haxan7]

Yes honestly, this is you being unable to make the simple difference between media depicting regular same-sex parents and media promoting insidious gender ideology.

A Disney animation exec is literally on film saying she "inserts queerness" into kids' shows. How exactly is that not promoting an ideology?

 

[Stitch]

Tim Allen wasn't cancelled. He just finished filming a Santa Clause Series for Disney Plus

 

[p_xavier]

I just feel like you're connecting unrelated things here. Again, I've not seen the film so I don't feel like I can properly comment on it. But from what I've heard about it, it sounds like it portrays a normal healthy relationship. Isn't it good for gay and lesbian people to have examples of those to look to?

I will never promote lifestyle alternatives to kids, or such abnormal conditionning. I already felt bad about it being in one and no. Never put children in such situations. Had to deal with a dual personality with two "families" etc. Stop messing up these kids!

 

[strange headache]

A Disney animation exec is literally on film saying she "inserts queerness" into kids' shows. How exactly is that not promoting an ideology?

Where is this "queerness" in this movie?
Not once do they mention their sexual preferences. It's just a regular ass family where both parents just happen to be of the same sex.

I feel like this thread has become the nexus for Christian conservatives, homophobes, religious nutjobs, Trumpists and other reactionary bumholes.

I will never promote lifestyle alternatives to kids, or such abnormal conditionning.

Stop avoiding my question. This has nothing to do with Disney, this is you simply hating on same-sex couples.

F*cking sad man!

 

[p_xavier]

Where is this "queerness" in this movie?
Not once do they mention their sexual preferences. It's just a regular ass family where both parents just happen to be of the same sex.

I feel like this thread has become the nexus for Christian conservatives, homophobes, religious nutjobs, Trumpists and other reactionary bumholes.



Stop avoiding my question. This has nothing to do with Disney, this is you simply hating on same-sex couples.

Why would I hate same sex couples since it's my dream to be in one? What I hate it's same sex couple depiction. It's abnormal.

 

[strange headache]

Why would I hate same sex couples since it's my dream to be in one? What I hate it's same sex couple depiction. It's abnormal.

This makes no goddamn sense!

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Good

 

[haxan7]

Where is this "queerness" in this movie?
Not once do they mention their sexual preferences. It's just a regular ass family where both parents just happen to be of the same sex.

I feel like this thread has become the nexus for Christian conservatives, homophobes, religious nutjobs, Trumpists and other reactionary bumholes.

That logic is faulty as hell and you know it. Same sex parents is "queerness", full stop. I don't know why you aren't willing to concede this point.

Also thanks for the insult, I'll take those labels as a badge of honor coming from you.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I'm sure it will have great legs. (At least till minions comes)

 

[Jaybe]

When parents know this will hit Disney+ in just 45 days or so why spend money to take a family of 4 or more to see this. Maybe if it was outstanding but seems to be one of the weaker efforts. Maybe it is good as some have said but the marketing and concept make it seem uninteresting.

 

[strange headache]

That logic is faulty as hell and you know it. Same sex parents is "queerness", full stop. I don't know why you aren't willing to concede this point.

Also thanks for the insult, I'll take those labels as a badge of honor coming from you.

"Queerness" implies an ideology or certain world view, but the movie promotes none of that and neither does it glorify "gayness" or the lesbian couple in particular.
What we have instead, are regular gay people who just want to be treated like everybody else, caring for their children in a loving way.

Some of the people in this thread are starting to show their true colors and let me tell you, I'm pretty disappointed in having to witness it.

 

[Droxcy]

Looked like garbage as soon as they made Buzz life like. We don't need that.

 

[Wheeljack539]

Looked like garbage as soon as they made Buzz life like. We don't need that.

It's the Buzz "skin" that's holding it back. Change it a bit to remove that it's Buzz Lightyear related and you got a wider audience who'd be more interested.

 

[Dr. Claus]

"Queerness" implies an ideology or certain world view, but the movie promotes none of that and neither does it glorify "gayness" or the lesbian couple in particular.
What we have instead, are regular gay people who just want to be treated like everybody else, caring for their children in a loving way.

Some of the people in this thread are starting to show their true colors and let me tell you, I'm pretty disappointed in having to witness it.

Definitely some questionable views going on in the thread. I still hold that the film would have been better without the romance subplot entirely as it just didn’t add anything to the film, but it definitely wasn’t in your face or insulting in anyway either. But then again, I think the film as a whole needed a lot of rewrites and work to make it more… entertaining?

This film would have been better off not having any connection to Buzz Lightyear, in my opinion.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I can’t believe that adults are confused that this is a story about the actual (in universe) Buzz Lightyear rather than the toy from the Toy Story films.

I mean, wow…

Because when people see Buzz Lightyear they expect to hear someone else voicing him?

See above.

 

[Ownage]

With all that's going on, maybe people don't give a shit anymore?

 

[Wheeljack539]

I can’t believe that adults are confused that this is a story about the actual (in universe) Buzz Lightyear rather than the toy from the Toy Story films.

I mean, wow…

See above.

Why are you surprised? When I saw the trailer I thought it looked interesting until it basically said it was Buzz Lightyear and I was pretty much, "no..." and my interest, while still there at the time fell.

Outside of it being over 25 years (oh God...) since the first TS and Tim Allen voicing him it seems so divorced from how TS Buzz acts (as one would think that is how his character would be with how he acted in the first Toy Story before he learned he was a toy) along with how different a number of us thought "the show" from the 90s he's based on.

 

[Mistake]

I still hold that the film would have been better without the romance subplot entirely as it just didn’t add anything to the film

I feel this way about a lot of western animated films. Sometimes there’s a decent plot, only to get ruined by a romantic trope

 

[strange headache]

Definitely some questionable views going on in the thread. I still hold that the film would have been better without the romance subplot entirely as it just didn’t add anything to the film, but it definitely wasn’t in your face or insulting in anyway either.

I dunno, Alisha's grand-daughter was an integral part of the plot and her family was kind of necessary to show the passage of time every time Buzz went on his mission. There also wasn't any romance in this movie either, so yeah I don't really understand the uproar.
For once, the gay parents aren't glorified or put on a pedestal. They are just... there. That's all.

I thought the movie did Buzz justice.

 

[Mossybrew]

I generally like Pixar stuff, I mean my kids grew up on this stuff over the last 20+ years, but this just always sounded like an completely misguided concept for a movie.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Movie just looked like boring dingleberry full ass from day 1.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Why are you surprised? When I saw the trailer I thought it looked interesting until it basically said it was Buzz Lightyear and I was pretty much, "no..." and my interest, while still there at the time fell.

Outside of it being over 25 years (oh God...) since the first TS and Tim Allen voicing him it seems so divorced from how TS Buzz acts (as one would think that is how his character would be with how he acted in the first Toy Story before he learned he was a toy) along with how different a number of us thought "the show" from the 90s he's based on.

I honestly don’t understand what most of this means, but in terms of the disconnect of “Buzz Lightyear” not acting like the toy in the original movies, that’s because he was a toy.

Wether he realised it or not is irrelevant.

 

[chromhound]

Buzz fucked his own mother.

Wait what...

 

[jason10mm]

I honestly don’t understand what most of this means, but in terms of the disconnect of “Buzz Lightyear” not acting like the toy in the original movies, that’s because he was a toy.

Wether he realised it or not is irrelevant.

But the toy came programmed with all these mannerisms and history, where did this stuff come from if NOT this "movie"? IIRC every buzz toy acts exactly the same way initially, so clearly this was intended to represent whatever source material (the 2022 movie apparently) started it.

So if 2022 buzz is NOT an even more pure version of TS1 buzz, then why does the toy buzz act that way at all?

I feel like there could be a very boy centric action adventure Buzz Lightyear film but doesn't sound like this is even close.

 

[InterMusketeer]

I'm perfectly aware of the culture war, but this movie is not part of it.

I'm a bit surprised you don't understand where they're coming from. Casually inserting queer people in media is one of the modus operandi of activists in this culture war. It's understandable that you subjectively don't think this is one of those cases, but that requires ignoring everything Disney does and says. Looking at some of the evidence posted in this thread, it's at least somewhat likely they did this to push an agenda. Just because you don't have an issue with how they did it in this particular instance, doesn't change the facts.

in terms of the disconnect of “Buzz Lightyear” not acting like the toy in the original movies, that’s because he was a toy.

Wether he realised it or not is irrelevant.

What's relevant is what the audience expects, no? Even if it makes sense in-universe that he's different in the film, there's still a disconnect between what's depicted and what audiences want/expect to see.

 

[Rran]

I think Pixar (and Disney)'s allowed to make whatever movie they want as artists. That's their right and their job, and it's up to the MPAA to rate it accordingly.

That said, as a longtime Pixar fan, I passed on this one, at least in theaters. Even when it was first announced, I thought the premise was muddled and uninteresting. A movie that Andy saw in the early '90s? The appeal of Buzz was his delusion and misplaced bravado in the first film, and then growing to honorably accept his role as a toy and friend in TS2. Seeing him in a solo adventure when it's not even the same character doesn't sound appealing. Plus, it's like an extra layer of fiction to deal with, like trying to get invested in a movie of a dream Andy has.

Regarding the LGBT thing specifically, I have very young kids and I'm not ready to have that conversation with them yet. I feel like the movie skews a little too old for them (same way I felt about Soul and Turning Red for other content-related reasons). Coco was brilliant though, one of the best animated films of the decade.

Pixar's quality seems to have taken a nosedive ever since John Lasseter was MeToo'd out of the company back in 2018.

Truest post in this thread!

 

[12Goblins]

Why would I hate same sex couples since it's my dream to be in one? What I hate it's same sex couple depiction. It's abnormal.

 

[gamingforum1]

Why would I hate same sex couples since it's my dream to be in one? What I hate it's same sex couple depiction. It's abnormal.

Ay you need some serious therapy

 

[belmarduk]

People really thought this would beat out Jurassic Park? The trailer looked terrible.. but, of course, ideological extremists will count any movie doing well or not doing well as a win for their team.