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[Doom85]

Oh you got me!!! Oh but wait ..sadly I’ve stated in this thread many times that the kiss wasn’t an issue and that post you quoted wasn’t about this movie but Disney backing political and social agendas as a whole .. Sorry maybe next time.

“Man, that episode of Rescue Rangers that warned about the dangers of joining a cult? Fuck that episode! Who does Disney think they are pushing their anti-cult agenda on me?! And my kids even?! I missed the days when Disney didn’t push political agendas on us! You know, like the 40’s! They definitely didn’t make anti-Nazi films back then! They kept politics out of it! Wait…you’re fact checking that last statement I made? Whoa, err, slow down now. What are you implying, that whining about Disney films having political opinions is fucking stupid based on the entire history of the company?”

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

“Man, that episode of Rescue Rangers that warned about the dangers of joining a cult? Fuck that episode! Who does Disney think they are pushing their anti-cult agenda on me?! And my kids even?! I missed the days when Disney didn’t push political agendas on us! You know, like the 40’s! They definitely didn’t make anti-Nazi films back then! They kept politics out of it! Wait…you’re fact checking that last statement I made? Whoa, err, slow down now. What are you implying, that whining about Disney films having political opinions is fucking stupid based on the entire history of the company?”

In fact Disney made Anti-Nazi short films.

I love that time of Disney from 1940 to 2000, but I'm already tired of PIXAR movies, which already have a script and structure of their stories that are almost the same, but with different themes.

In addition, the new Disney cartoons are far below the company's standards.

 

[ManaByte]

In fact Disney made Anti-Nazi short films.

Because the military took over the animation studio. Still have the officially released DVD collection they did of those, you won’t find them on Disney+ in the current year.

 

[RoboFu]

“Man, that episode of Rescue Rangers that warned about the dangers of joining a cult? Fuck that episode! Who does Disney think they are pushing their anti-cult agenda on me?! And my kids even?! I missed the days when Disney didn’t push political agendas on us! You know, like the 40’s! They definitely didn’t make anti-Nazi films back then! They kept politics out of it! Wait…you’re fact checking that last statement I made? Whoa, err, slow down now. What are you implying, that whining about Disney films having political opinions is fucking stupid based on the entire history of the company?”

Yes because parents who want to know what teachers are talking about to their 5 - 12 year olds is exactly the same as nazis.

Cross dressing gonzo was absolutely needed for toddlers to not feel oppressed.

how many preteen cartoons in the past did the kids date other kids? With being “ straight “ a pronounced characteristic?
Good thing the owl house decided half way through to make the main character gay and date another character. Her sexual preference greatly added to her being stuck in a fantasy world wanting to become a witch.

That’s just a very few things .. There is a ton of weird grooming going on over at Disney these days with actual videos and leaks of employees admitting to pushing agendas.

 

[poppabk]

This doesn't come as a surprise. As a person glued to the internet for unhealthy hours each day, I saw zero hype or advertising for this. I didn't even know it released. I thought it was a Christmas season movie.

I've seen a ton of Lightyear merchandise but little else. Before stepping in this thread for my sins, I didn't know:
- it was released
- Chris Evans was doing the voice
- that there was a lesbian kiss
- that this wasn't about the toy (then why bother?)
- Tim 'convicted drug smuggler' Allen has been canceled?
- That the story is mainly about transgender rights
- That the success or failure of this movie is the key to the survival of western civilization, possibly all humanity

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Everyone in the comments of my stock-trading app also thinks Disney has been going down for months because of politics. It's like they don't see the entire stock market tanking.

I'm not saying Disney is 100% in the right, but it seems like wishful thinking to me.

 

[Doom85]

Yes because parents who want to know what teachers are talking about to their 5 - 12 year olds is exactly the same as nazis.

Cross dressing gonzo was absolutely needed for toddlers to not feel oppressed.

how many preteen cartoons in the past did the kids date other kids? With being “ straight “ a pronounced characteristic?
Good thing the owl house decided half way through to make the main character gay and date another character. Her sexual preference greatly added to her being stuck in a fantasy world wanting to become a witch.

That’s just a very few things .. There is a ton of weird grooming going on over at Disney these days with actual videos and leaks of employees admitting to pushing agendas.

A political message is a political message. Yes, criticizing Nazis is a political stance. It doesn’t matter how widely agreed upon and obviously correct it is, it is still a political stance. Don’t backpedal on what you said prior. You took issue with Disney backing political agendas. You said that. And I pointed out the company has done this since the beginning. Don’t try to bullshit your way out of this one.

A male character wearing traditionally female clothing, oh no! Dammit, why can’t they be like classic cartoons, like Looney Tunes! Because Bugs Bunny definitely never wore a dress!

Doug and Patty went on a date in Doug. Lisa and Ralph went on a date in The Simpsons. There was some dating in Danny Phantom. Plenty of dating Avatar and Korra. Teen Titans. The older sister goes on dates in Phineas and Ferb. Plenty of times in Kim Possible. Rocko’s Modern Life. I mean, Hey Arnold speaks for itself. Even Rugrats had an episode where Chucky essentially got a girlfriend, they even showed her “cheating” (as in she started picking on another boy as that’s how she and Chucky met).

But yeah, cartoons with kids/preteens/teens NEVER touch on romance and dating. This is clearly uncharted territory.

Seriously, I mentioned it before, but a quote from Hunchback of Notre Dame would do a few of you good:

”All my life, you have told me the world is a dark, cruel place. But now I see the only thing dark and cruel about it is people like you!”

That was aimed at Frollo, the villain, who strived to keep Quasimodo hidden for being “different”. That’s how some of you are behaving. You’re arguing LGBT characters should never be allowed to exist in media kids might see (and let’s just not even get into how many kids see PG-13 and/or R films whether their parents allow it or not), well I assume you also frown upon gay/lesbian couples IRL kissing/holding hands in public where your kid might see. Which is objectively an attack on LGBT people’s freedom as well as discrimination as I highly doubt virtually any of you would hold it against a straight couple kissing/holding hands.

This mindset you have, it’s legitimately disturbing and disheartening.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Very surprising, these movies are usually surefire hits. Not really sure if I agree with OP about Tim Allen being a factor though lol

Well I have no interest as he’s not in it. He is Buzz.

 

[kruis]

There is a marked uptick in homosexuality from children exposed to the aforementioned. As is the rapid rise of transgenderism in the United States.

If being gay or transgender is inborn, then what's the explanation of the enormous rise in the number of people who identify as LGBTQ?

 

[Meicyn]

If being gay or transgender is inborn, then what's the explanation of the enormous rise in the number of people who identify as LGBTQ?

I helped increase that percentage when Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was lifted in 2011 and I was no longer at risk of losing my entire career. Fun fact: I was gay the entire time.

Let that concept sink in for a moment.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

If being gay or transgender is inborn, then what's the explanation of the enormous rise in the number of people who identify as LGBTQ?

Reduced stigma of being openly gay. Gay people have existed forever. There's no trend of more people becoming gay, just more people feeling more comfortable revealing it. My aunt is a lesbian. She was married to a man for a long time, before separating. She still doesn't talk about being gay to this day, eventhough we all figured out really early that her friend that was always around was a bit more than a friend. Older generations had a tougher go of being gay, as it could negatively impact your wellbeing. Younger generations are far more tolerant and accepting, so you're going to continue seeing that line trending up until we start approaching the percentage of actual homosexuals in the population. I would think that Gen Z is nearing that number, but I'm not really sure. It's going to be a number that's higher than most of us think IMO.

 

[ManaByte]

A male character wearing traditionally female clothing, oh no! Dammit, why can’t they be like classic cartoons, like Looney Tunes! Because Bugs Bunny definitely never wore a dress!

Bugs wasn’t wearing a dress because he identified as a woman though.

 

[ManaByte]

"flops" lol

$51M debut with a $200M budget and almost that much to market it. Yes, it’s a colossal flop.

 

[funkygunther]

Bullshit. Kids and media every five minutes changing what gender they are and who they sexually attracted to.

Is this what leads to homosexual relationships in animals too? They watched too much Disney?

Gotta say strange headache putting the work itt

 

[Doom85]

Bugs wasn’t wearing a dress because he identified as a woman though.

But he was clearly aiming to convince Elmer he was a woman. And Elmer expressed attraction to him. Bugs even kisses him. You know for a fact if Looney Tunes was first airing today that certain people would be bitching about it.

 

[OZ9000]

If being gay or transgender is inborn, then what's the explanation of the enormous rise in the number of people who identify as LGBTQ?

Why is there a dramatic increase in the number of young girls "identifying" as boys over the past 2 years?

You do not see the same enormous rise in South America, Africa or Asia.

The answer is social conditioning. When a particular lifestyle is heavily promoted, there will be a greater number of people who will gravitate towards it.

 

[Doom85]

Why is there a dramatic increase in the number of young girls "identifying" as boys over the past 2 years?

You do not see the same enormous rise in South America, Africa or Asia.

The answer is social conditioning. When a particular lifestyle is heavily promoted, there will be a greater number of people who will gravitate towards it.

Or alternatively, when a particular lifestyle is heavily discouraged or even illegal in certain countries, there will be far less number of people willing to risk their safety and status in society by being who they truly are…..

In other news, more women tend to be in the workforce when a country they live in doesn’t discourage it or even make it illegal. We’ll have more of these shocking developments in a few minutes, but first let’s go to Jimmy to talk about that upcoming light rainfall…..

 

[Ammogeddon]

Watched it today with my family, it was alright.

The same sex kiss was such a non issue to be honest. I very much doubt many kids would even register it.

Having said that, it was such a quick throwaway scene that if their intention was make it a “Disney first” virtue signal then it was a squandered half arsed effort.

 

[kruis]

I helped increase that percentage when Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was lifted in 2011 and I was no longer at risk of losing my entire career. Fun fact: I was gay the entire time.

Let that concept sink in for a moment.

I think you don't fully understand how polls work. Poll questions are answered by anonymous individuals, not the Human Resources department... You'd have had a point if the survey asked LGBTQ people if were out on their job. In that case I certainly would understand why THAT number would be going up. But this is about self-identification period.. And in that case I can't understand why the number of young people who self-identify as LTBTQETC+ has doubled compared in the past 20 years.

 

[nkarafo]

He has conservative views basically.

wow!

Get him!

 

[Dr. Claus]

Why is there a dramatic increase in the number of young girls "identifying" as boys over the past 2 years?

You do not see the same enormous rise in South America, Africa or Asia.

The answer is social conditioning. When a particular lifestyle is heavily promoted, there will be a greater number of people who will gravitate towards it.

Being trans is not a sexuality. It can be argued that there is social conditioning and grooming going on thanks to the advent of political groups and slacktivists who are pushing confused young teens into transitioning when they are not actually trans. However, trying to conflate this with being homosexual, bisexual, or otherwise? Purposefully ignorant and horribly incorrect on all levels. Do better.

 

[RoboFu]

A political message is a political message. Yes, criticizing Nazis is a political stance. It doesn’t matter how widely agreed upon and obviously correct it is, it is still a political stance. Don’t backpedal on what you said prior. You took issue with Disney backing political agendas. You said that. And I pointed out the company has done this since the beginning. Don’t try to bullshit your way out of this one.

A male character wearing traditionally female clothing, oh no! Dammit, why can’t they be like classic cartoons, like Looney Tunes! Because Bugs Bunny definitely never wore a dress!

Doug and Patty went on a date in Doug. Lisa and Ralph went on a date in The Simpsons. There was some dating in Danny Phantom. Plenty of dating Avatar and Korra. Teen Titans. The older sister goes on dates in Phineas and Ferb. Plenty of times in Kim Possible. Rocko’s Modern Life. I mean, Hey Arnold speaks for itself. Even Rugrats had an episode where Chucky essentially got a girlfriend, they even showed her “cheating” (as in she started picking on another boy as that’s how she and Chucky met).

But yeah, cartoons with kids/preteens/teens NEVER touch on romance and dating. This is clearly uncharted territory.

Seriously, I mentioned it before, but a quote from Hunchback of Notre Dame would do a few of you good:

”All my life, you have told me the world is a dark, cruel place. But now I see the only thing dark and cruel about it is people like you!”

That was aimed at Frollo, the villain, who strived to keep Quasimodo hidden for being “different”. That’s how some of you are behaving. You’re arguing LGBT characters should never be allowed to exist in media kids might see (and let’s just not even get into how many kids see PG-13 and/or R films whether their parents allow it or not), well I assume you also frown upon gay/lesbian couples IRL kissing/holding hands in public where your kid might see. Which is objectively an attack on LGBT people’s freedom as well as discrimination as I highly doubt virtually any of you would hold it against a straight couple kissing/holding hands.

This mindset you have, it’s legitimately disturbing and disheartening.

you are reaching with those examples.

my examples were from little kids cartoons muppet babies is for TODDLERS.

the owl house is questionably between preteen and teens so i maybe a little lineate on that. but even someone like you realizes that adding a gay relationship to a kids cartoon is a statement when most people of the world are not gay.. that's the big difference.


and doug! lol



yeah um no... thats not even close to the same as the owl house. lol


posting gifs dont make your points more valid.

but again I dont even care adding gay people to shows The loud house has both .. same sex parents and a lesbian girl. No one is up in arms over that. With Disney its everything as a whole. being against parental rights bill, staff saying their goals are to take away whitness and traditional familes, pushing critical race theory across their employees.
its not about inclusion it's about revenge.

 

[strange headache]

Being trans is not a sexuality. It can be argued that there is social conditioning and grooming going on thanks to the advent of political groups and slacktivists who are pushing confused young teens into transitioning when they are not actually trans. However, trying to conflate this with being homosexual, bisexual, or otherwise? Purposefully ignorant and horribly incorrect on all levels. Do better.

Gay, transsexual and transgender are not the same.
You'd think our enlightened culture warriors would be well aware of this before proclaiming the death of our civilization because of a same-sex couple in a Disney movie.

This thread is becoming more and more embarrassing by the minute.

 

[gatti-man]

Has zero to do with Tim allen it’s a movie about a tired character no one really cared about or asked for.

 

[gatti-man]

Loons? I don’t think you know who the real loons are. Disney is so hard core into propaganda it’s sad.

Btw ms marvel is also flopping. Could be a coincidence but I doubt it.

This shit is mind numbingly stupid. Every time Disney has a flop it’s zomg go woke go broke. Kenobi? Moon Knight? Dr strange 2? Disney is literally stomping this argument out but it keeps on being brought up. Ms marvel is a garbage niche character I love marvel and couldn’t care less about her and this movie is in the same vein.

Whatever your hurt feelings are Disney isn’t going anywhere and they are like 60% gay so I doubt they are going to change anytime soon. Get ready for more gay and girl power from disney.

 

[Wheeljack539]

Whatever your hurt feelings are Disney isn’t going anywhere and they are like 60% gay so I doubt they are going to change anytime soon. Get ready for more gay and girl power from disney.

We know that. Just like we know this is in the pipeline for them:

Disney’s ‘Strange World’ to feature first gay teen romance in animated feature film

Disney’s upcoming adventure film “Strange World” will feature a gay teen romance — the first in an animated feature produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios. The film, whic…

www.nydailynews.com

If they succeed then let them get the praise for it but I've no interest.

 

[Liamario]

Saw it with my 10 year old son, I enjoyed it and so did he. Have zero interest in seeing another Jurassic park film.

 

[Pagusas]

this thread has reminded me why the politics board was canned, and thank god it was.

 

[Xenon]

Has zero to do with Tim allen it’s a movie about a tired character no one really cared about or asked for.

Wrong it has a bit to do with Allen being recast for obvious political reasons. It has a bit to do with Disney's political stance of late. It has a bit to do with declaring LGBTQ+ agenda in all its movies. But I think it's mostly due to the fact that it's a creatively bankrupt company trying to cash in on older IPs. In this case it made zero sense to show the real history of an obvious fictional character in a another fictional universe. Why would they do something like this? It's obvious that this wasn't somebody who was inspired to make a good story. It's more like a directive to update older stories to match political and social objectives. So the fact that it's a corporate driven product instead of a creative one means there's really little hope of being anything beyond mediocre.

 

[Forsythia]

There's a same sex kiss scene in a kids movie that's about a movie that a kid saw to buy a toy that had a movie based around him? lol.

But think of MuH RePreSanTaTiOn!!?!!??

 

[lachesis]

Well Lightyear is first PG 13 movie from Pixar, so that takes out a lot of young, I mean really young kids that tend to float the boat for a lot of Pixar movie.
I mean, I'm sure there are bunch of parents (like me) would hesitate taking 5-7 year old kids to a PG-13 movie. You know, original Mortal Kombat movie was PG 13 movie.

My guess is that perhaps they thought the Millennial parents who grew up watching Toy Story from their youth would bring their kids and watch/enjoy together?
Maybe that "pool" of audience is much narrower than what they expected.

Anyhow about sexual content:
I cringe when I see straight people kissing and stuff in children's movie. Makes me feel uncomfortable watching with my very young child if the scene is extended or whatnot.
And I do cringe when I see people kissing and making out in IRL in public where there are bunch of kids in broad daylight. (like shopping malls)
I mean, god dang, get a room, you know? Then again, I grew up in a sexually conservative Asian culture - so that may be part of it.

But for PG 13 movie and having a bit of sexual stuff? I guess that's fine, but I'm not sure if it was a good business decision for Pixar to go with it.

Anyway, who's the father? Did Buzz donate or something random? or either one of them a transgender person that had not gone thru the bottom surgery?
Was the birthing person the side character or the side character's spouse? Bah, will see when it arrives on Disney Plus and if I do feel like watching it... but chances are, I won't have time nor care enough.
I haven't bothered watching children/s movies since my child grew out of the whole 3d animation movie phase entering middle school. (2d is where it's at... animu!)

EDIT: found out it's PG, not PG13. I was mistaken from reading article about Lightyear being first Pixar's PG13 movie. Sorry!

 

[FunkMiller]

Watched it today with my family, it was alright.

The same sex kiss was such a non issue to be honest. I very much doubt many kids would even register it.

And this, of course, is the real reason so many are so terrified of / angry at having same sex representation in popular media.

Because it normalises it. Makes it a non issue. Kids will grow up thinking it’s fine, and nothing to get upset about.

What a disaster for those who want everyone else to believe it’s an abomination, like they do.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

It's promoting a deviant lifestyle

Not true....

Disney has only ever promoted an Eternal lifestyle.

 

[SJRB]

So eh... this movie is flopping because some lady kisses another lady? Is that the consensus in here?

 

[Wheeljack539]

So eh... this movie is flopping because some lady kisses another lady? Is that the consensus in here?

Eh, I'd say it's part of it but I'm betting it's more confusion and disconnect from potential audiences about why this Buzz seems so different from Toy Story Buzz thus killing any interest.

 

[Putonahappyface]

I lost interest in seeing this film when I found out Tim Allen wasn't doing the voice acting.

 

[daveonezero]

I’m still confused I think. This is an in universe movie that the toy is based on?

I found this pretty obvious when I first saw a trailer.

The only other thing I’ve heard is the lesbian kissing.

I don’t understand why it is in a cartoon. Hell most sex scenes in movies are pointless. The fact this is in a childrens movie is concerning.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Wait, this is a PG 13 movie? Maybe put it in a spoiler tag to be considerate, but can someone tell me why this movie got that rating?

[edit] Nevermind. Someone earlier in the thread was mistaken about the rating. As was clarified, it's rated PG.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Motte



Bailey

The best part is that quite a few of them are on the sex offender registry for child molestation. Christ I was infuriated when they pulled that stunt, fucking degenerates like them are the reason I follow the Pence Rule concerning children.

 

[ManaByte]

Wait, this is a PG 13 movie? Maybe put it in a spoiler tag to be considerate, but can someone tell me why this movie got that rating?

It's PG.

 

[trikster40]

Just picked up some McDonalds for my kids, and Lightyear is on the Happy Meal Box. I asked my son who was on the box and he said he didn’t know. I said it’s Buzz Lightyear! He said “no it’s not daddy, he has a different head!”

My son is 4. Don’t tell me the change in appearance/voice has no effect on the character.

 

[lachesis]

It's PG.

I guess I was wrong. I remember reading it will be the first PG13 movie from Pixar...

 

[TonyK]

I will not see it in cinema not because voices change, confusing concept or same gender kiss, but because I know for sure it will be added to Disney+. Why pay for something you will have for free in three months? Same for any Marvel/Disney or Warner movie (HBO max)

 

[Jaybe]

I will not see it in cinema not because voices change, confusing concept or same gender kiss, but because I know for sure it will be added to Disney+. Why pay for something you will have for free in three months? Same for any Marvel/Disney or Warner movie (HBO max)

It may be even faster. I think Dr Strange is June 22, so about 45 days or so following.

 

[Fake]

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I just had a thought.

Maybe some gay people are not actually gay and just live with two girls so they have to have their landlord believe they're gay.

Spoiler

 

[ManaByte]

That's a copypasta of an indiewire meme article.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I just had a thought.

Maybe some gay people are not actually gay and just live with two girls so they have to have their landlord believe they're gay.

Spoiler

The theme song immediately played in my head when I read that.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

The theme song immediately played in my head when I read that.

It's been my favorite sitcom since I was a little kid.

I finally found a free streaming service that has all the episodes on demand so I've been binge watching it lately.

 

[DryvBy]

Adding another comment but Pixar hasn't been good since Toy Story 2. Disney and co love to make generic stories that copy/paste the same format in all their movies. You can guarantee yourself your watching a Pixar film if it's a buddy adventure where they have a fight and need to reunite somewhere towards act 3. Every. Single. Time.