belmarduk
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You should get some counseling. Self-loathing is not healthy.
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Pixar's Lightyear flops
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You should get some counseling. Self-loathing is not healthy.
Dr. Claus
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I don't get the uproar about the lesbian parents either. For me it is just the romance subplot in general. I feel that it could have been done numerous other ways that would be more in-line with the character and world presented. As I said, I don’t think there needed to be a reason to have *any* romance in this film.
There is no “Agenda” being pushed, at least not in the slacktivist way. Its just a poorly told movie. Let’s not start with the conspiracy theories.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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There are people who get confused easily or don't know...
They don't even know the difference between the Nintendo Wii and the WiiU
DryvBy
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I love Chris Evans in moves but he's a moron in real life.
HoodWinked
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AfricanKing
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What the fuck is this shit?
You can’t sell someone a LGBTQ life style , your born how you are. Kids don’t watch to men or women kiss then decide to be Gay or lesbian that’s not how sexuality works.
Consume other media aside from Fox News .. fucking hell
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Doom85
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But getting to the movie itself, saw it a few hours ago. Really good, not among Pixar’s best but certainly not among its worst.
And the Disney/Pixar haters just look ridiculous after the trailers I got before the movie:
Minions 2 - 70% of this trailer was screaming. God, I was indifferent to these guys at first but they have LONG outstayed their welcome (YouTube currently overplaying them in ads is not helping). Can this franchise die already? And can Illumination actually try to make a legit solid film? I only hope Nintendo was monitoring them 24/7 as they made the Mario movie because otherwise I’m dreading what we get
-League of Super Pets - aside from the end with Batman, there was barely an attempt at a joke here. Like, wow. I like Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart, but give them good lines because their presence alone means nothing to me
Kung Fu Panda ripoff - I’m not even bothering to check what its actual name was. Because that’s all it was, animals fighting with martial arts, but lacking the solid animation, fight choreography and charm that made the Kung Fu Panda trilogy so great
Then it ended with trailers for Disney’s next animated film Strange World and Thor 4. And these films look like actual effort was made. They may not be hits, for the record I thought Luca was just okay and thought Onward and Encanto were merely good but even then it was clear genuine effort was made by all. I can already tell that Minions 2, League of Super Pets, and discount Kung Fu Panda do not have as much passion in their making. Rather, they’re reeking of “throw screaming, farting, and lots of movement on the screen to distract dumb kids!” mentality. Disney and Pixar at least aim to be better than that.
Doom85
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NeoIkaruGAF
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The character design in this shot is incredibly bland compared to Pixar’s standards. I’d never believe it’s Pixar if you didn’t tell me.
Kadve
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Think Pixar shot themselves in the foot by declaring the old cartoon to be non-cannon and that this was the "true" in-universe Buzz lightyear.
I know they hated it due to having no real control over its production. But its still a beloved classic and doing such a thing is essentially just giving the fandom a middle finger.
I know they hated it due to having no real control over its production. But its still a beloved classic and doing such a thing is essentially just giving the fandom a middle finger.
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Lunarorbit
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Looks pretty good to me. Think I'm going to see top gun today and this later on the week.
Chris Evans has America's ass or did some of you commies forget about that with your inane discussions about trans issues in a buzz light year thread that has a lesbian in it.
Some of you have issues
Chris Evans has America's ass or did some of you commies forget about that with your inane discussions about trans issues in a buzz light year thread that has a lesbian in it.
Some of you have issues
Alcibiades
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I saw the movie, thought it was good. It's basically a Star Trek style adventure that is kid-friendly. Stranded in space, colonizing a remote planet, FTL and slingshot around the sun, time travel, android pet... I'm sorta wondering whether younger kids will understand the 4 years on planet = 1 minute of superspeed in space concept but I'm glad there is a family movie integrating all these concepts.
Happy to see Disney put the lesbian couple although it's sad they had to be bullied by their own employees to put it back in. Even then it's not like this was a lead character so hopefully that will happen one day.
Lots of reasons for this bombing, but #1 is that audiences are trained for Pixar and Disney movies to be on Disney Plus immediately or soon after release. Also, lots of people have Disney Plus so it makes sense to wait. Not a lot of people on Paramount Plus or Peacock so when choosing between movies it makes sense financially for families to skip this theatrically if they are going to have access soon - something that may not be true for Jurassic World Dominion or Top Gun Maverick. Pixar = made-for-tv at this point. Other factors are Tim Allen being gone and of course the whole gay thing, but I think these were definitely secondary.
Also, is Chris Evans THAT big of a box office draw? Sure, he's Captain America but he seems so generic I can't imagine having him as the voice was going to make much of a difference. Not saying it should have been Tim Allen since I know it's different characters technically, but it doesn't seem like he brings anything special to the character.
EDIT: And on the gay thing, the one thing that sort of threw me off was the lady getting pregnant... like I know about donor sperm and all that, but I'm wondering how parents would go about explaining that? I'm sort of wondering what I would have thought if I had seen this at age 5 or so. I'm glad it's there cause it's good to normalize non-hetero families, but it's a little more complicated than "two people love each other and had a child". If they hadn't showed the belly carrying the baby I would have probably assumed adoption. Hopefully one day people will watch moments like this and not overthink since it'll be completely common and routing.
Happy to see Disney put the lesbian couple although it's sad they had to be bullied by their own employees to put it back in. Even then it's not like this was a lead character so hopefully that will happen one day.
Lots of reasons for this bombing, but #1 is that audiences are trained for Pixar and Disney movies to be on Disney Plus immediately or soon after release. Also, lots of people have Disney Plus so it makes sense to wait. Not a lot of people on Paramount Plus or Peacock so when choosing between movies it makes sense financially for families to skip this theatrically if they are going to have access soon - something that may not be true for Jurassic World Dominion or Top Gun Maverick. Pixar = made-for-tv at this point. Other factors are Tim Allen being gone and of course the whole gay thing, but I think these were definitely secondary.
Also, is Chris Evans THAT big of a box office draw? Sure, he's Captain America but he seems so generic I can't imagine having him as the voice was going to make much of a difference. Not saying it should have been Tim Allen since I know it's different characters technically, but it doesn't seem like he brings anything special to the character.
EDIT: And on the gay thing, the one thing that sort of threw me off was the lady getting pregnant... like I know about donor sperm and all that, but I'm wondering how parents would go about explaining that? I'm sort of wondering what I would have thought if I had seen this at age 5 or so. I'm glad it's there cause it's good to normalize non-hetero families, but it's a little more complicated than "two people love each other and had a child". If they hadn't showed the belly carrying the baby I would have probably assumed adoption. Hopefully one day people will watch moments like this and not overthink since it'll be completely common and routing.
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Alcibiades
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I think the purpose was two-fold.
1) To show the passage of time and how people on the base are going on and living fulfilled lives. This contrasts with Buzz's obsessiveness and one-track mind to the point where he didn't bother to take a breath and by the time he knew it, his friend was gone (even if it was only a few days of time for him).
2) To lay the groundwork for the granddaughter who is going to basically replace the grandmother's role as Buzz's friend/partner. It's a mini-origin story.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
"flops" lol
FunkMiller
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If you object to a gay couple being in a kids film, you’re a gross little homophobe.
Quite simple, really.
Anyway!
Prequels are by and large, pointless shit, designed to squeeze money from a franchise, and that’s why this has sunk.
See also: Solo.
Quite simple, really.
Anyway!
Prequels are by and large, pointless shit, designed to squeeze money from a franchise, and that’s why this has sunk.
See also: Solo.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I had to Google this just now. So the boomer crowd had it out for this movie over a gay kiss. Should have known. Typical.
FunkMiller
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Yep. A simple kiss between a same sex couple is enough to trigger their snowflake, bigoted little hearts.
…and of course, to them, that’s obviously the reason the film flopped. Not that it’s a pointless, greed fuelled prequel that nobody wanted, in the same vein as Solo.
So, oh so very well done to Disney, for putting positive representation in a piece of shit movie, thus adding fuel to the fire of the culture war.
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strange headache
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Nah mate, it has been made perfectly clear that the people who are concern trolling about the mere existence of same-sex parents are looking for slippery slope fallacies to justify their hate.
F*ck your culture war if you're so entrenched that you become completely unable to have a nuanced stance.
This movie does not deserve the hate it gets by the conservative/reactionary crowd and it is certainly not harmful to children. Same-sex parents are legal and perfectly normal, are kids somehow supposed to pretend they don't exist? Making it a taboo is much more hurtful to kids, essentially robbing them of the ability to be accepting towards gay parents.
In case you haven't noticed, the hyperbolic reactions in this thread are the reason why people are clamoring for more queer pandering in media. Your full on "culture war" mentality is justifying the need for more gay inclusivity in movies.
In that sense, I'm slowly coming around to the idea of Disney including even more same-sex couples, if only to trigger the haters.
BigBooper
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Bullshit. Kids and media every five minutes changing what gender they are and who they sexually attracted to.
ikbalCO
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I dont find it suprising to be honest.
Right is really (and finally) pushing back disney's not so secret agenda and its good to see that the whole propaganda finally has actual monetary affects.
If you follow people like ben shapiro matt walsh steven crowder etc. this has been a long time coming.
Well, should have made a better movie
Right is really (and finally) pushing back disney's not so secret agenda and its good to see that the whole propaganda finally has actual monetary affects.
If you follow people like ben shapiro matt walsh steven crowder etc. this has been a long time coming.
Well, should have made a better movie
01011001
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you better not show your kids any movie where anyone kisses then... won't be out here looking like a hypocrite do you?
btw. that includes almost EVERY Disney movie
01011001
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if you follow people like Crowder your brain is most likely damaged to some degree
Scotty W
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ikbalCO
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Great attitude towards people with different views. That will you get you some common grounds to have healthy discussions
01011001
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Great attitude towards people with different views. That will you get you some common grounds to have healthy discussions
this is not about views but about him being an intellectually dishonest idiot with a low IQ and a tendency to skew data and evidence because he knows his low IQ fans will eat it up. I actually agree with some of his views but that doesn't mean I won't call him out for the dishonest grifter he is.
and sorry but if you can't see through that charade of dishonesty I simply assume there's something wrong with you
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silentstorm
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Can't see what's wrong with being woke, but in this case it's weird since it's supposed to be a 90's animated movie that Andy saw as a kid, don't know about you guys, but i don't recall animated movies in the 90's, or even live-action blockbusters, having same sex couples, kisses and nods to the LGBT people.
It's not even that i find it offensive or that it doesn't belong in a kid's movie...it's part of life no matter how much some people complain, but it really just seems pandering and doesn't fit the intended time period of the movie.
If it's the movie Andy saw before Toy Story 1 even happened...then there is no way a big budget animated movie would have had a gay couple and it really doesn't feel like a throwback to 90's movies which is what they should have done.
Then again, maybe the Toy Story universe is different and studios got really woke a lot sooner in-universe?
It's not even that i find it offensive or that it doesn't belong in a kid's movie...it's part of life no matter how much some people complain, but it really just seems pandering and doesn't fit the intended time period of the movie.
If it's the movie Andy saw before Toy Story 1 even happened...then there is no way a big budget animated movie would have had a gay couple and it really doesn't feel like a throwback to 90's movies which is what they should have done.
Then again, maybe the Toy Story universe is different and studios got really woke a lot sooner in-universe?
ikbalCO
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i dont want to derail the op any further but all i can say is, i dont approach news like a cult or a religion therefore it doesnt bother me when some news personality look at a data from their perspective.this is not about views but about him being an intellectually dishonest idiot with a low IQ and a tendency to skew data and evidence because he knows his low IQ fans will eat it up. I actually agree with some of his views but that doesn't mean I won't call him out for the dishonest grifter he is.
and sorry but if you can't see through that charade of dishonesty I simply assume there's something wrong with you
i dont see a dishonesty, i see an opinion.
There is a marked uptick in homosexuality from children exposed to the aforementioned. As is the rapid rise of transgenderism in the United States.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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As I said before, if it's a film for audiences over 18 years old, that's fine... BUT DO NOT FORCEDLY INCLUDE THE CHILDREN, because this alters their identity and sexual orientation.
The mind of children is receptive to all external stimuli. It's like when a gay couple adopts a child... What sexual orientation would the little one have?
But I like Solo movie
FunkMiller
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But I like Solo movie
And that’s fine… but it was a cynical cash grab of a movie, using beloved pre-existing characters because they thought that was an easier sell than actually trying to think up something new.
Films like Solo and Lightyear come from a place of creative bankruptcy. I’m pleased audiences realise this and turn away from it.
FunkMiller
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Don’t be so fucking stupid. People are born straight, or they are born gay. You can’t make a straight person gay through media consumption any more than you can make a gay person straight.
You can, however, show someone who’s gay that it’s okay to be that way, by providing them with representation in media. The same with all minorities.
There’s some dumb ass medieval shit going on in this thread
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dr_octagon
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We need the classic Dreamworks smile.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Solo movie, I didn't find it bad, on the contrary I liked it and it entertained me a lot.
I know the Star Wars universe, I'm not a fan of the franchise but I have an idea of the characters (Only the interesting ones).
I would give the movie an 8.5 or 9.
The one that did disappoint me was the Obi-wan series, because he is a character that I know from all the media and movies. (For me the best Obi wan series was Cartoon Network and the CGI one)
Lightyear's movie disappoints me with the forced inclusion and for me I thought it wouldn't beat Soul (I hate it too, the characters are antipatic) or The Good Dinosaur as worst movie of Pixar.
I liked Turning Red a lot and I loved how they pay homage to Chinese culture, this movie is very pretty.
Learn to actually read and critically think about the papers you link.
I am merely stating the facts.Don’t be so fucking stupid. People are born straight, or they are born gay. You can’t make a straight person gay through media consumption any more than you can make a gay person straight.
You can, however, show someone who’s gay that it’s okay to be that way, by providing them with representation in media. The same with all minorities.
There’s some dumb ass medieval shit going on in this thread
You are more likely to adopt homosexual traits if your parents are homosexual.
Children of homosexuals and transsexuals more apt to be homosexual - PubMed
Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
There is also a rampant rise of transgender individuals in the United States, clearly influenced by social media.
I don't think people are inherently *fixed* in any particular category when it comes to sexuality. There are complex biological and psycho-social factors at play. Deny it all you want, but environmental factors *do* play a role.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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https://www.scielo.sa.cr/pdf/ap/v31n122/2215-3535-ap-31-122-31.pdf
Calm Calm. More studies are still needed to carry out an investigation.
FunkMiller
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I am merely stating the facts.
You are more likely to adopt homosexual traits if your parents are homosexual.
Children of homosexuals and transsexuals more apt to be homosexual - PubMed
Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five...
There is also a rampant rise of transgender individuals in the United States, clearly influenced by social media.
I don't think people are inherently *fixed* in any particular category when it comes to sexuality. There are complex biological and psycho-social factors at play. Deny it all you want, but environmental factors *do* play a role.
You‘re citing a study by Paul Cameron???
strange headache
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https://www.scielo.sa.cr/pdf/ap/v31n122/2215-3535-ap-31-122-31.pdf
Calm Calm. More studies are still needed to carry out an investigation.
Studies about what? There is no empirical evidence that same-sex parents have a negative influence on the development of their children.
Longitudinal studies have shown no ill effects either:
Even your study admits that "sexual orientation" of the parents has no bearing on the development of their children. What matters is that children have people they can trust:
Lastly, your own study completely contradicts the fearmongering you're trying to peddle here:
Even your own study admits that caring parents are what is most important, sexual orientation doesn't matter so long as the parents remain committed to their children.
I am merely stating the facts.
You are more likely to adopt homosexual traits if your parents are homosexual.
Children of homosexuals and transsexuals more apt to be homosexual - PubMed
Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five...
There is also a rampant rise of transgender individuals in the United States, clearly influenced by social media.
I don't think people are inherently *fixed* in any particular category when it comes to sexuality. There are complex biological and psycho-social factors at play. Deny it all you want, but environmental factors *do* play a role.
Paul Cameron is a complete hack.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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More time is needed in studies.
This inclusion is still new to society.
Because you also have to see the evolution of children in the long term.
Doom85
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“LGBT people exist.”
That’s the fucking extent of a “value” in terms of their inclusion in this movie.
Hunchback of Notre Dame also DARED to acknowledge hunchbacks exist, but I guess certain folks on Gaf would have preferred the ending to be the city’s people forced Quasimodo back into his tower forever so they wouldn’t have to acknowledge his existence because, hey, “your very existence is an agenda according to certain types of people on the Internet.”
Also, you literally just “pushed values” on us by saying what you did.
And it wasn’t banned in countries for being “woke”. We all know exactly why it was banned, and anybody celebrating how homophobia continues to rule certain governments needs to just stop. It prevents us from progressing as a human race.
Also, OMG, even if it’s possible being raised or frequently around LGBT people raises the possibility of a child becoming LGBT when they’re older (despite plenty of evidence indicating it’s not a choice and people who argue it is a choice usually have a very specific agenda in mind), who gives a shit? Should we ban all interracial couples in media as well? Wouldn’t want to influence the kids with the idea that someone outside their own race could be attractive, now would we?
Some white kid watching Sonic 2: “Mommy, that black lady married to the sheriff is pretty!”
Karen: “OMG, see what these SJWs are doing to us! Won’t someone think of the children?!”
RoboFu
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Oh you got me!!! Oh but wait ..sadly I’ve stated in this thread many times that the kiss wasn’t an issue and that post you quoted wasn’t about this movie but Disney backing political and social agendas as a whole .. Sorryyou better not show your kids any movie where anyone kisses then... won't be out here looking like a hypocrite do you?
btw. that includes almost EVERY Disney movie
maybe next time.
MastaKiiLA
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Bullshit. Correlation is not causation.I am merely stating the facts.
You are more likely to adopt homosexual traits if your parents are homosexual.
Children of homosexuals and transsexuals more apt to be homosexual - PubMed
Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five...
There is also a rampant rise of transgender individuals in the United States, clearly influenced by social media.
I don't think people are inherently *fixed* in any particular category when it comes to sexuality. There are complex biological and psycho-social factors at play. Deny it all you want, but environmental factors *do* play a role.
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