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Planetside 2 |OT| 12 Man Squads, 2000 Players, So Free You'll Want to Pay!
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Set it up, and I'll get some of that action.
razgriz417
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The faction that originally controlled the continent was warpgated (if they lose all of their territory they lose their bonus) but because no other faction was able to get control of the entire map, no one gets the bonus
Gen.Grievous
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Does anyone else have a hard time going back to games like BF and COD after playing Planetside 2 for a while? I recently tried playing BF3 again because a few friends of mine really like the game and still play but it just feels so pointless and run and gun. There is no real sense of accomplishment, coherent tactics or great moments of teamplay to be found. The small scale in terms of players, maps and round times is most likely the reason. One or two really good players can dominate a server.
Vigilant Walrus
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I think, this is the COD-ification that happened in BF3. BF2 was more like you describe with Planetside, but without the persistency of course.
I think going away from the arcadey feel of BF2 and having embraced a more one-pop-one-kill style of COD, taking chances in BF3 has changed. The mentality has changed.
I remember BF2 as a game where a crazy suicide scheme was not ill advised if it took down a whole barrage of destruction. I miss that crazy sense of chaos in BF3. But BF3 has very nice set pieces.
But I feel you matey. It's very normal to feel that normal games are small and insignificant when you have spend a lot of time in a world with many, many, many other players trying to impact the world around them. It doesn't really pass TBH. Nothing was ever the same after being in the middle of a 300-400 player firefight in the beginning of Planetside 1. It was literally one of the best gaming moments of my life.
ThreePiMatt
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One of the issues with BF3 and Planetside 2 that their predecessors didn't have is the spawning system. One of the benefits off the lattice system is that its supposed to promote some degree of predictability in the grand tactical game. You have to know where the enemy is going to attack from if you want to have a chance to defend. Spawning is kind of the same way, too many options in spawning leads to too much unpredictability and puts too much burden on defenders. TE famously abused the Instant Action system to completely overwhelm defenders. Squad spawn/beacon spawn isn't as bad, but can still too easily give attackers a foothold. And the fact that anyone can potentially pull Sunderers makes controlling the vehicle terminal too decisive because whoever controls the terminal gets the spawn advantage.
In regards to Battlefield, squad spawning was very limited and not prevelant in 2. US almost always spawned on one side and China/MEC on the other and led to more of a "push" gameplay. Whereas BF3 greatly expanded sqaud spawning, making it much easier to get groups of people behind points. Constantly getting shot in the back. Capturing points is more like a dog chasing its own tail.
In regards to Battlefield, squad spawning was very limited and not prevelant in 2. US almost always spawned on one side and China/MEC on the other and led to more of a "push" gameplay. Whereas BF3 greatly expanded sqaud spawning, making it much easier to get groups of people behind points. Constantly getting shot in the back. Capturing points is more like a dog chasing its own tail.
I don't want the game to turn into "this is the location where the attackers are coming from" That just turns into a standard FPS Multiplayer game. I like that the waves of attacks can come from different angles, based on the ability to hide the large boxes called Sunderers.
But to improve the Defense side of the game, perhaps either remove the ability to hack vehicle terminals, making the ability to quickly pull a sunderer from an enemy base unavailable. Means the attackers would have to plan for someone to grab a sundy at nearby captured base, and bring it over at about the same time the attack force drops in (either by GAL or Squad Deploy).
Or perhaps make the turrets take alot more damage before being destroy, or even invulnerable. Perhaps instead of destroying them (and having it difficult to repair in the middle of battle), have them be "knocked out" for a set time (30 seconds, 1 minute) and turn the turret repairs from repairing damage to deducting the knock out time.
What else is a base, besides shields (and their generators, which have a set timer), and the turrets? Turrets are just too easy to destroy, and they 9 times out of 10, aren't repaired and forgotten.
That could turn into more weapons to unlock for Air and HA's. EMP weapons, to knock out the turrets.
That's alot of writing for me. I want to go home and play PS2 now.
But to improve the Defense side of the game, perhaps either remove the ability to hack vehicle terminals, making the ability to quickly pull a sunderer from an enemy base unavailable. Means the attackers would have to plan for someone to grab a sundy at nearby captured base, and bring it over at about the same time the attack force drops in (either by GAL or Squad Deploy).
Or perhaps make the turrets take alot more damage before being destroy, or even invulnerable. Perhaps instead of destroying them (and having it difficult to repair in the middle of battle), have them be "knocked out" for a set time (30 seconds, 1 minute) and turn the turret repairs from repairing damage to deducting the knock out time.
What else is a base, besides shields (and their generators, which have a set timer), and the turrets? Turrets are just too easy to destroy, and they 9 times out of 10, aren't repaired and forgotten.
That could turn into more weapons to unlock for Air and HA's. EMP weapons, to knock out the turrets.
That's alot of writing for me. I want to go home and play PS2 now.
Mikey Jr.
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I'm probably never going back to those games. MAYBE BF4, but COD is dead to me after PS2.
I have played PS2 non-stop since the beginning of April. Thats how good it is, and every game update just makes it better and better.
Pretty crazy.
GU9 (next week) brings the Lattice system to Indar on the live servers, and for GU10 they're working primarily on user generated bugfix requests and feature requests. The next month should be very interesting, a lot of stuff will be changing...
So, how was the Lattice system in Test? Worthwhile?
I admit, I'm not a fan of it, as I liked the unpredictability of "where your opponent is coming from." Maybe that lead to more small skirmishes and not as many large scale battles, but to me, that seemed more "organic" than predetermined routes.
But then, I haven't played on the Test server.
I admit, I'm not a fan of it, as I liked the unpredictability of "where your opponent is coming from." Maybe that lead to more small skirmishes and not as many large scale battles, but to me, that seemed more "organic" than predetermined routes.
But then, I haven't played on the Test server.
It's definitely a huge change but we never got enough people on to test to really form any conclusive ideas of what it will be like. They are adding the lattice in a way that they can flip it off easily if needed. The biggest change though is that indar is completely revamped, every base has been heavily redesigned and are much much better
It won't feel like a different continent, though, right? Just the bases? I know some are gone (like, there's nothing out there, or just abandoned buildings?) What's the most changed base type? Towers, Amp, Tech or Bio?
Towers have more cover, amp tech and bio proper largely unchanged, satellite facilities are more fortress like now, and now there are 3 types of outposts: light (like what is live now), medium (heavy walls incorporated into the design, and some more large/fortress like outposts. Some bases and roads were removed, some moved, and everything has been touched in the redesign process but its still indar, updated with everything they've learned from the other continents and seeing how the game currently unfolds
e: Lattice now on PTS Esamir
e: Lattice now on PTS Esamir
ThreePiMatt
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That Esamir screenshot kind of highlights how ridiculous the current hex system can be. Some regions have like 6-7 connections to other regions where the outposts aren't even relatively close to one another.
I mean, all the lattice system is doing is just reducing the number of connections by making sure the connections follow somewhat natural terrain features, roads, mountains, etc. In that sense, Amerish will probably be the most difficult and interesting to set up since that really has the most natural barriers of the three continents.
I mean, all the lattice system is doing is just reducing the number of connections by making sure the connections follow somewhat natural terrain features, roads, mountains, etc. In that sense, Amerish will probably be the most difficult and interesting to set up since that really has the most natural barriers of the three continents.
Probably what they should do, as it would be pretty jarring to between 2 different types of map layouts. But with how long it's taken them to get Indar down, I don't see getting Amerish done in a couple days. Sure, maybe most of the busy work on restructuring the bases can be "copied and pasted."
Indar time was spent figuring out how to implement the lattice system and redesigning much of the facilities on the continent to current standards, Esamir and Amerish pretty much just need proper lattice connections designed for them, turn around time should be much quicker. Esamir/Amersih may go through some design updates but it wont be required to get lattice functioning on them.
They're confirmed to be at least looking in to it. The PS4 CPU is clocked quite low and that will be the absolute limiting factor. I would expect 30fps with frequent dips. They may have to segregate the PS4/PC servers to restrict the playercount, but they might as well not even bother porting it if that's the case. They'd also need to make an entirely new UI just for the console version, as the current one is completely incompatible with controllers, though they'd need to be able to support kb/m on the console so that it's an option for competitive congruency
Mikey Jr.
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50% off 5000 SC and 10000 SC this weekend!!
Yeah, log into this site with your station id.
https://www.wizardrythegame.com/shop.vm
Then purchase either 5000 SC or 10000 SC.
5000 SC is $22.50
10000 SC is $42.50
Just bought 5k and it works. 22.50 is a pretty good price. This should last me quite a while.
Yeah, log into this site with your station id.
https://www.wizardrythegame.com/shop.vm
Then purchase either 5000 SC or 10000 SC.
5000 SC is $22.50
10000 SC is $42.50
Just bought 5k and it works. 22.50 is a pretty good price. This should last me quite a while.
It's a budget netbook APU, how much help would it be clocked higher.
ThreePiMatt
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I'm sure they'll get it working on PS4. It would behoove Sony to ship out Playstation 4s with Planetside 2 preinstalled on the system. I would expect them to show off the game during their E3 press conference. I doubt it'll have cross-platform play though.
A lot.
6 Month access to PS1, or on PS2?
PS1, of course! ps2 has no sub, only the premium member thing
I'll download and play when I get home tonight
crazepharmacist
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Wanted to delete this comment, sorry.
crazepharmacist
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Wanted to delete this comment, sorry.
GU9 Patchnotes:
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2...ame-update-09-05-22-2013.127601/#post-1753938
More at the link.
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2...ame-update-09-05-22-2013.127601/#post-1753938
More at the link.
razgriz417
Member
Dunno how I feel about the complete overhaul to the saron, its a totally different gun now. Will have to give it a try once the servers are back up
ThreePiMatt
Member
Sounds good, excited to give it a try. Wish they did a more in-depth pass on grenades. I'm disappointed the nerf to conc nades because I use them so much. Flash nades, on the other hand, need LOS fixes, you can throw a flash into a building, be outside the building behind a wall and be completely blinded by it. And anti-vehicle names desperately need help. Shorter priming time or explode on impact and the price reduced to regular grenade peices. And decoy nades just need to work better.
razgriz417
Member
Wow the ZOE max is fun got on a 10 kill streak running around a tower with lvl 4 ZOE, Flak Armor and Blueshifts. Lockdown+Fracture is scary as hell to deal with for vehicles tho, can take out a mag no trouble headon
got on a 10 kill streak running around a tower with lvl 4 ZOE, Flak Armor and Blueshifts. Lockdown+Fracture is scary as hell to deal with for vehicles tho, can take out a mag no trouble headonLattice is doing wonderfully with the live server playercounts
Very clear where the front line is now:
Some posted this concept on r/planetside, would do wonders for readability and easy of identifying how to get to your next target, especially on Amerish with its very restricting terrain. Would work well as the (default) toggle option between the current direct connections.
Can't wait for Esamir/Amerish to get updated. They should really just get a lattice working well on them as they are now instead of waiting on revamping the continents over the next couple months.
Very clear where the front line is now:
Some posted this concept on r/planetside, would do wonders for readability and easy of identifying how to get to your next target, especially on Amerish with its very restricting terrain. Would work well as the (default) toggle option between the current direct connections.
Can't wait for Esamir/Amerish to get updated. They should really just get a lattice working well on them as they are now instead of waiting on revamping the continents over the next couple months.
Anton Sugar
Member
Oh shit, son. Time to jump back in.
maybe playing on it will change my mind, but I don't like it. Most places have only one way to go, and at most, the option of 2 places to go.
Looks like the Crown is the only 3 way option, making it just about the most important place again. But strange that Crossroads is now pretty "disconnected" from Crown.
Looks like the Crown is the only 3 way option, making it just about the most important place again. But strange that Crossroads is now pretty "disconnected" from Crown.
As it should be imo. Large facilities are the only places you find the the 3-4 connection branches, so that you have you can't easily just go anywhere on the map and cut off another faction, eg on the lattice map I posted how the NC still has a lattice connection to the TR that can't be easily broken without the VS taking Mao or Rashnu, and from there they have access to go behind the VS fronts
Mikey Jr.
Member
I LOVE it. Love love love.
Firstly, it hurts ghost capping. As NC, we fought fucking hard for red ridge, then equally hard for scarred mesa. I mean, we fought hard for it. Vanu were pushing back from regent rock, and there was a big battle on the bridge. If the vanu wanted red ridge, if they wanted scarred, they were going to have to fight for it. We didn't have to worry about some solo squad back capping red ridge and screwing us.
And you know what? We lost both. But it wasn't because we were losing outposts all over the place and they could spawn behind us. It was because they fought hard and pushed us all the way back.
Those are the fights I want from PS2.
Firstly, it hurts ghost capping. As NC, we fought fucking hard for red ridge, then equally hard for scarred mesa. I mean, we fought hard for it. Vanu were pushing back from regent rock, and there was a big battle on the bridge. If the vanu wanted red ridge, if they wanted scarred, they were going to have to fight for it. We didn't have to worry about some solo squad back capping red ridge and screwing us.
And you know what? We lost both. But it wasn't because we were losing outposts all over the place and they could spawn behind us. It was because they fought hard and pushed us all the way back.
Those are the fights I want from PS2.
ThreePiMatt
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Some of the most memorable fights I had in PS1 were fighting over a bridge. Not even a facility, just to get across a bridge. When the only place you can attack is on the other side of the bridge you either push the fuck across that bridge or you get some goddamn Gals loaded up and try to fly around them.
Really excited to play when I get home from work. Shame I now like knee deep in Metro, Call of Juarez has gotten some good impressions, and I installed Dota 2. I've been winning most of my games in Dota 2, don't enjoy really anything about it mechanically, but for some reason still want to play.
Really excited to play when I get home from work. Shame I now like knee deep in Metro, Call of Juarez has gotten some good impressions, and I installed Dota 2. I've been winning most of my games in Dota 2, don't enjoy really anything about it mechanically, but for some reason still want to play.
I missed Mattherson/East Coast prime time, how did the lattice system hold up with more players?
I had a pretty amazing bridge battle over the chasm in the northern sea bed this morning, and nearly pushed out the TR with some public squads I thought I'd join instead of playing with my AT.
I had a pretty amazing bridge battle over the chasm in the northern sea bed this morning, and nearly pushed out the TR with some public squads I thought I'd join instead of playing with my AT.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Holds up well. People seem to enjoy it.
Shit, my platoon didnt even want to go to another cont because it didnt have lattice.
razgriz417
Member
Definitely larger, more concentrated fights, but people in Outfit were complaining that its impossible to have air support anymore because with only a few possible conflict areas, theres bound to be a plethora of AA. In the ~1.5 hours I played in our platoon, we saw 1 enemy lib and no ESFs. We did have one of our own fly a scythe for radar but that's about it. Our Gal drops seemed fine though, there was quite a lot of flak but no failed drops during my playtime
Mikey Jr.
Member
I felt the absolute opposite. 80% of my time is reaver gameplay, and I had absolutely no problems when I was playing tonight and there was lots of ESF's, maybe a low amount of libs.
This was Mattherson at around 5pm EST.
razgriz417
Member
Hmm, maybe it just had to do with where we were fighting then, I started playing around 6pm est up around suarva for a bit, then at regent rock and crossroads for the rest of it
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yeah, maybe it was an anomaly. I was flying almost the whole time, and nothing seemed out of the ordinary.
Honestly though, I think w have to give this patch a week and let it stew.
For instance, I think the lockdown on the max is some bullshit. But thats a knee-jerk reaction right now.
razgriz417
Member
Yea it definitely needs some time to normalized, we're seeing a exceptionally large amount of maxes being fielded due to the new abilities but I feel like that number will decrease as we week goes on as the novelty wears off. That being said, seeing a full squad of 12 "Disco Maxes" drop from a gal and rush a cap point is a sight to be seen