Frigging amazing. I need to make more $$$$
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Frigging amazing. I need to make more $$$$
Dr. Zoidberg
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First one was a 55ST30 that I got a good deal on from Sears since they were clearing them out. Second two were 55ST50s I got from Best Buy. The first one and then an exchange to see if I could get one of the non-buzzing units that people online swear they have. I really couldn't afford a GT or VT unit.
I sit about 8-10ft away from the screen when watching TV/Movies, and only about 5 ft when playing games. The buzzing was a problem on anything that was bright or white. I watch a lot of animated shows so this was particularly annoying on shows such as Adventure Time with the bright colors and Ice King's mostly-white domain, etc. I was also playing Skyrim at the time and trekking through the frozen north near Winterhold, etc. was buzz-city.
Never had a problem with IR, though.
DJ Lushious
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I have a Kuro Elite Pro-111FD and a post like this makes me try real hard not to upsize to a 65" VT-60.
Before I go screaming at Sony/retail store about my TV, can other owners of Sony's W line confirm if vertical and horizontal banding lines are simply the norm? They're just obvious during panning motions. Especially when there are solid colors on screen, you notice not all that subtle dark spots in the image. Games like Mega Man 9, Journey and PixelJunk Shooter are just ugh. Is this your case or isn't it? The picture is also never solid, banding aside. When scrolling in a game like Double Dragon Neon I notice a subtle but weird pattern in the picture, like grain of sorts, like a dirty effect.
Dr. Zoidberg
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I can't vouch for the W line, but as someone who tried out at least 8 different 55 and 60 inch LCDs over the past two years, including the Sony HX850, these types of problems existed on all of them. The HX850 did have banding, and if you are sensitive to these types of visual imperfections you will always find something. That said, there is some variance from TV to TV and some are better than others. You can exchange but the next one could be better or may be worse. It's like gambling.
Man, I wish I still had my 111FD, messed with my eyes so I had to take it back to the store.
My 55W900A has slight horizontal banding. It's a new TV, so I decided not to settle. My new set will be here tomorrow.
I'm tempted to flat out return it and wait for the newly announced KDL-55W950B. The specs say it comes with a game controller... Playstation Now?
Yeah playstation now and passive 3D, but the panel is a MotionFlow 480 instead of 960.
Personally I like passive and the added dynamic range could turn out to be good so I think I'm going to wait and see. At first I got worried about the blur/motion on the new models being worse, but then I remembered I have a 60Hz LCD right now and totally don't notice.
Also real curious to see how the Vizio P series turns out. I will miss the 3D, but everything else about the TV presses the right buttons.. and the prices!!!! Hopefully Vizio brings them back to Canada
Upsizing is fine, but just keep the Kuro and move it to a different room/location. As someone who made the leap from a 50" Kuro (101FD) to 65" I can say with confidence that there is definitely a certain "wow factor" that only a larger screen size can bring. However, there's just nothing available that touches the last generation of Kuros for overall picture quality. I'm in no way dissatisfied with my new television, but selling the 101FD was a mistake. I could've put it in storage until my next move and it would've made for an awesome man cave TV.
Rex_Harrison
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I went through 7 LED TV's last year. 5 of them were 55" the last 2 were 60". Both of the 60" had terrible vertical banding. All of the 55" had flashlighting and clouding, a couple of those also had banding.
The problem with LED Edge Lit sets is you can trade in your set that has banding and get a set that has clouding and flashlighting so bad that it's unwatchable at night. Then you trade that one in for a that has vertical banding and DSE. That's how I went through 7 of them. I recommend not settling because I feel like you should never have to settle on something that you just spent a good chunk of hard earned money on. Believe me it wasn't easy returning 7 sets but PQ is kind of a big deal when it comes to TV's.
PQ should be priority no.1 with manufacturers but unfortunately making ultra thin TV's with redundant apps is more important. I wish I could've of bought an app free tv with top tier PQ but those don't exist anymore. Instead I bought a VT60 with a camera that'll I'll never use, a touchpad remote with voice control that I'll never use, and 2 dozen apps that I'll never open which probably added at least $200 to the price tag :|
2014 looks a bit more promising for LCD with full array LED backlighting making a comeback. Only time will tell. Never fully trust "professional" reviewers as they never seem to see major problems with sets like banding, clouding, flashlighting, etc. If they do mention it, they act like it's not a big deal and it usually doesn't affect their scores.
I wanted to buy a new and bigger set to replace my Panasonic 42V20 but after i have seen many LED screens i have decided to wait. I think my eyes got used to plasma and LCD/LED screens feel tiring and too bright.
I have set up my PS4 yesterday for the first time. I can not find the setting for HDMI range on my TV. It is set to automatic on my PS4. Anyone has a similar/same series TV and using this setting?
I have set up my PS4 yesterday for the first time. I can not find the setting for HDMI range on my TV. It is set to automatic on my PS4. Anyone has a similar/same series TV and using this setting?
Unknown Soldier
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If there is no range setting on your TV, it's safe to assume it only supports Limited. The PS4 will detect this automatically and set itself correctly.
A store in Sweden had a 40% sale on Sony 50 inch W656 during the holidays. But I missed it x( Now the TV it out of stock almost everywhere so I'm guessing it was to get rid of the last they had.
And my lovely Panny Plasma is starting to show some artifacts so I don't think it will live much longer.
And my lovely Panny Plasma is starting to show some artifacts so I don't think it will live much longer.
Newb question but are extended warranties really necessary? Are factory warranties all you really need? I've seen flat screens in homes that never suffer from unfortunate events, at all. The way I see it, if you do come across a problem it will show within the first 30 days, if not within the year. That's all covered by in-store return policy and factory warranty right? Well, I guess that's dependent on where you purchased it. People take good care of their televisions. Why pay the extra money for something you may never use?
My general stance now for all electronics is to skip the warranty. I've had to replace things before but it's been within the mfg warranty. I take good care of my things and I can afford to replace it if it does die outside of the warranty.
That said, if you can't afford to replace it or have crazy kids or something, there might be an argument to be had.
I bought a MACK warranty on my Pioneer, but that was back in 2008 and it was a $3K TV I was having shipped from Seattle area. I never had to use it, but it was nice peace of mind and was only $250 for 4 years. In the future I'll probably not buy one again, because as mentioned most defects happen within the manufacturer's warranty period.
See You Next Wednesday
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I hate this. Are TV manufacturer truly this dumb.
They think people will but their TVs not based on picture quality, but on crappy apps, curved shaped screens that no one wants, non existent 4k content or the ultra limited 3D market?
Vizio looks to be the only contender this year for a new TV & their Reference line has all kinds of secondary crap that will jack up the price.
you have to have the display before you have the content. There still isn't 1080p broadcast TV yet though, and those displays have been out for 10 years.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Blu-rays were announced & expected to ship soon after 1080p sets were set to hit the market.
There is nothing other than some vague Neflix promises for 4k content in the foreseeable future.
Do any of u know how the sharp led's are? I currently have a 50inch Samsung 720p plasma that I am thinking about upgrading. I have had my eye on the 70inch sharp for a long time but I am thinking about buying the 60inch 120hz, 1080p. The price has dropped to $1000 and I just saw it on sale at best buy for $800
ReyVGM
Member
An upgrade would be a Panasonic Plasma...
lostinblue
Banned
Bluray Disc Association compromised themselves to deliver the finalized 4K Bluray standard by years end.
Things are moving on, how much of a game changer they are, of course, is the question.
Decided to skip on 4k, 240Hz and 3d. Picked up a vizio 60 inch e series last night to replace my 42 inch plasma viera. I was sad to let the plasma go but it was too small for 1080p gaming (new apartment and very long viewing distance) and the glare was killing me.
Test ran some BioShock infinite (pc), life of pi and Killzone shadowfall on it last night. Beautiful. No where near the level of blacks on my plasma but the colors were great for the price and size.
Test ran some BioShock infinite (pc), life of pi and Killzone shadowfall on it last night. Beautiful. No where near the level of blacks on my plasma but the colors were great for the price and size.
Mattlikewhoa
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I always buy them on my big ticket purchases. I've bought quite a few flag ship tv's, and I'd rather be safe then sorry.
I actually had to use it when my XBR8 sound board went out twice, and they couldn't stock the part in a reasonable time. I ended up getting back the $4000, which I applied to a new TV.
Oh and where I buy my sets, if I don't use the warranty I get the money back. I see it as a win win.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
That is the first interesting thing I've heard about 4K yet. 4K without a physical disc would have been pointless in this day and age of American Internet speeds an data caps. Streaming services haven't even been able to deliver a BluRay quality 1080p signal yet and it's been 10 years already. To think that somehow they'd magically bump up the Rez by 4X is laughable at this point. Don't get me started on the cable companies and their sorry ass 1080i/720p this late in the HD game.
A 4K BluRay standard by 2015, means a 4K TV may actually be worth buying in 2016.
HawksWinStanley
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So my VT60 came today.
Fuck me...it was expensive but now I see why. Even on my dim break in settings the picture is better than pretty much any tv I've seen in its price range.
Also, no humming. I don't know if I lucked out or if my fans are broken but I hear nothing. Even when I walk up to the set I don't hear anything.
So yeah, very pleased. Glad I snagged one before they were all gone.
Fuck me...it was expensive but now I see why. Even on my dim break in settings the picture is better than pretty much any tv I've seen in its price range.
Also, no humming. I don't know if I lucked out or if my fans are broken but I hear nothing. Even when I walk up to the set I don't hear anything.
So yeah, very pleased. Glad I snagged one before they were all gone.
I think I am going to pull the trigger on a 65" VT60 tomorrow
fuddgeee. Wish I had the cash now. Looks like they won't be stocked for very long
PsychoCandy
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Add me to the list of new ecstatic VT60 owners 
I upgraded from a 42" HD ready (1027 x 768) first gen Kuro (4280), which I loved but that started to be a little too low-res for gaming.
Received the set yesterday. No buzz, I can only hear a little bit if I put my hear 20 cm from the TV. Perfect uniformity
60fps games are amazing on this set, which I expected, but I'm particularly impressed by the very realistic colors for TV content and movies. I didn't expect such an upgrade coming from an already very good plasma. I don't know about second gen Kuros but the black levels and overall dynamic range are a huge improvement from first gen.
The only things I'm a (very) little disappointed with:
- I find the sound that comes out of the TV rather weak.
- There is no PC/VGA connector.
If you're on the fence and can afford it, I would advise you to get one while they last. Where I leave, the big electronic stores are already sold out so I guess in a month they will be really hard to find.
I upgraded from a 42" HD ready (1027 x 768) first gen Kuro (4280), which I loved but that started to be a little too low-res for gaming.
Received the set yesterday. No buzz, I can only hear a little bit if I put my hear 20 cm from the TV. Perfect uniformity
60fps games are amazing on this set, which I expected, but I'm particularly impressed by the very realistic colors for TV content and movies. I didn't expect such an upgrade coming from an already very good plasma. I don't know about second gen Kuros but the black levels and overall dynamic range are a huge improvement from first gen.
The only things I'm a (very) little disappointed with:
- I find the sound that comes out of the TV rather weak.
- There is no PC/VGA connector.
If you're on the fence and can afford it, I would advise you to get one while they last. Where I leave, the big electronic stores are already sold out so I guess in a month they will be really hard to find.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
I watched the Pacific Rim BluRay on my VT60 last night, Ho Lee FuK it was amazing. The blacks were so deep, the contrast was so damn contrasty. Definitely recommend it.
I can't do anything of this, sorry. I just need a 42" tv with VESA holes, under 600
I keep forgetting to share the configs. But here's mine:
Game-standard
Backlight - 6
Picture - 80
Brightness - 50
Colour - 65
Hue - 0
Color Temp - Neutral
Sharpness - 50
Noise Reduction to Motionflow - off
Cinema Drive - Auto 2
I used to be all about pristine bluray watching only. But I got over myself. Most highest quality netflix streams look passable as bluray quality, and don't cost $25 a pop, plus no storage. Compression has gotten really good, and unless you need 7.1 DTS-MA, video quality wise it's definitely good enough for 50" at 9 feet. It'll only get better, compression-wise.
So...I went to the local Amazon display shop (Best Buy) and got to see a VT and a ZT running side by side.
I was set on the VT...but the ZT looks better in both picture quality and tv design...why did I not pick one up when the 65" was $2700...it is $3199 at BB and $3499 at Amazon now
I was set on the VT...but the ZT looks better in both picture quality and tv design...why did I not pick one up when the 65" was $2700...it is $3199 at BB and $3499 at Amazon now
lostinblue
Banned
ZT60 only looks better than VT60 in well lit rooms. The panel is the very same, it's just the Anti-Glare filter and bonding which is not.I was set on the VT...but the ZT looks better in both picture quality and tv design...why did I not pick one up when the 65" was $2700...it is $3199 at BB and $3499 at Amazon now
If it appeared significantly better in a proper situation for plasmas then one can only assume one was either calibrated or decalibrated in comparison to the others, one was breakin-in and the other wasn't or... One was using THX and the other wasn't.
My advice is go with a VT60 and buy some curtains.
The Bookerman
Member
What's the concencus on a Sony w802a. ?
Do you think I'll be better off waiting for Sony's next tv's.
Do you think I'll be better off waiting for Sony's next tv's.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
The only BluRays I buy that are close to $25 are Disney movies and to me those are worth every penny, they consistently produce the best looking discs. All the other BluRays I buy are $6 - $12 and also worth every penny to me.
I would never confuse a Netflix stream for a BluRay, but they are still decent looking. My point was, if Netflix can't do BluRay quality streams 10years into HD, how the hell are they going to do legit 4K streams anytime soon? Not to mention the crappy selection of movies on Netflix and Prime.
But yeah, watching a 50" TV @ 9ft, I can see how BluRay wouldn't be a huge improvement over Netflix for you.
lostinblue
Banned
Please don't buy one... At least not in the 42", 47" or 55" flavours.
Screen is not as good as Sony W650 or W900 models by a blind mile, it simply has no omph to it when it comes to image quality and therefore feels like a placehorder... making it effectively the odd one out on 2013 models (the blacks on it suck balls and the color accuracy is not as good); it's riding on the back of the other two aforementioned models by switching their excellent Sharp or AUO VA-panels with Samsung IPS panels.
The 65" W802 is the exception as that one gets a VA-Panel for itself; it's mislabeled if you will, in reality it's a mislabeled W650 (A.K.A. W900 Lite) that Sony didn't want to go by that name because... well, because W900's top model sits at a measly 55 inches.
The other hidden landmine this year is the 32" W650, it's not as good as the 42" and 50" W650 for gaming. If you live in US there's sadly only the 32 incher available. Note: the 55" 4K X9 is also a landmine, but you're thankfully not considering that (and I'm just leaving it out there in case someone is).
Look around... [If you're US based] There was some dude a few pages back claiming he actually imported a 42" W650, I had never even thought about the feasibility of it up until that point, and instantly thought about doing the opposite and kidnapping a S60 for PAL-lands at that point, but that's just me.
It's doable if someone did... Maybe talk to him. They're costing roughly 500 euros in here, so that's 683 dollars. I never dealt with warranties for products bought abroad but everything these days seems to be international to some extent.
I hear what you are saying...but it was a dark room (Magnolia Best Buy) and I set the tvs to the same settings. I am not sure about break in...
Well...I have $500 in Amazon credit...and the $1000 difference between the ZT and VT 65" makes a $1500 difference if I got with the ZT...looks like I will go with the VT and then ignore other TVs for a few years. Plus...outside of a store I will never see a ZT and a VT right next to each other
lostinblue
Banned
There's also panel to panel nuances.
Here's a good article about that:
-> http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/sharing-calibration-settings-results-compared/
Even if one appears to be more vibrant with factory settings... if it's down to that it could very well be the other way around, really (the ZT appearing worse). Some TV's out of dumb luck come pretty much calibrated out of factory, whereas some don't.
It's pretty official that the VT60/ZT60 panels are the very same down to the final steps of production (the bonding) so nuances like that can only be explained by that, ambient light or settings.
There could also be the situation of one TV being made to look better by the store which would make sense providing they'll want to sell ZT60's over VT60's... I was flabbergasted to learn via an employee that a local retailer in here actually gave instructions to completely fuck up the Plasma models IQ configurations because they didn't want to carry them anymore - by contrast they ordered to made LCD's look better in bright situations (more vivid, sharp, light output bumped out to near maximum etc - complete de-calibration, but people dig that shit).
Also, nobody talked about this in here, yet:
-> http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-studio-master-4k-lcd_TV_review
It's gonna cost a lot when it finally comes out, but... Seems like Panasonic didn't drop the ball altogether and Plasma inheritance is alive... Somewhere.
If it scales down to cheaper models than 4K "studio master" it's gonna be killer.
I almost started the RMA game until I got the perfect LED. I got one of the $300 55" deals from the great Walmart mistake. Mine has some clouding and the right 20% of the screen is brighter and therefore has a slightly different color than the rest of the set. Mostly noticeable with one solid color. Red looks pinkish in the area while being red on the rest of the set. It replaced an aging 42" G25 Panasonic plasma that was having dithering issues so overall an upgrade. But I would tell everyone to stay the fuck away from edge lit LED technology unless the deal is too good to be true. It's cap technology that needs to die.
10 years of what already? streaming services aren't ten years old, Blu-ray isn't ten years old.
What are you, new to this? HDTV debuted in 98. We didn't get Blu-ray until 2006. That's 8 years of no widely available method to physically distribute HD video. These kids kill me
wow @ this dude's comments in this thread. please don't listen to just anybody who tosses terms around saying "banding" and "edge enhancement!!!1111!!!!" a lot. It seems like there's always someone with a long list of reasons to be unhappy and precious little evidence to back them up
its LG panel, not Samsung. Good things are passive 3D, screen mirroring, low input lag for gaming, bad is black levels and bleeding.
it is also discontinued now.. new 2014 models are coming soon i guess, they can be ordered already...
i would suggest anyone looking for these to wait, of course new 2014's will have higher pricing but they should also have native support for psnow which is interesting at least.
H_Prestige
Banned
Samsung confirmed they will have new plasmas later this year. Possibly even a cheaper 7 series based on the F8500.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
LoL
Congrats sir, you know everything. That's awesome.
1080p was commercially available in 98' ? I did not know that, I guess you learn something new everyday. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me, I am Not worthy.
What were those dark vertical lines I was seeing on light backgrounds ? I called it banding before but I'm clearly a noob when it comes to this stuff. I've never mentioned "edge enhancement" and I don't know what it is. Please enlighten me sir.
lostinblue
Banned
Thanks for telling me, I was actually on the fence about it since I know they buy from both but went with Samsung for being the "classical" choice (previous joint S-LCD factory et all).
I stand corrected.
I'd say it's a good time to buy because of reduced prices, I haven't looked into it too much as of yet, but new Sony sets are not flipping the table on IQ or features, they seem to be simply adding PSNow for the most part.
PSNow sounds good on paper, yeah, but it's a very casual offering... Why casual? first of all, it's streamed, meaning image quality won't be too hot, it's like interactive youtube, and second... It's bound to be lagged. I'm not willing to experience ~183 ms of average lag or going lower on quality to reduce said lag.
Hence the "casual" remark, it might be good enough for casual gaming, but it sure isn't to me and I have most of the console's they're supporting and physical media to go along with them from the get go. It's not for me, us.
Plus, you can do the same thing with a PS4... We'll all have a PS4 at some point.
Yup.
It's a shame they didn't let it steal some of the CES spotlight but it's probably the situation of being afterthought products, Samsung 2014 menus and remote might not be in (they call it Smart Control), etc.
I understand it's what happened with LG, 2014 models are one of the few standing by with Netcast, while the rest of the models have switched for webOS.
It's pretty obvious to me they're winding down production but will be recouping some money this year, it's still better than no recoup like Panasonic did. The cheaper F8500 sounds like a pretty good deal.
On another note, I've heard a panasonic representative on some CES video claiming that they might upgrade the top range 2013 TV's to 2014 GUI, I'm not holding my breath but I certainly wouldn't mind (closest thing to getting a VT70 in my book).