It shouldn't matter, Sony's W TVs support both full and limited. Your TV is probably set to automatically detect the dynamic range, set it to full in any case.
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It shouldn't matter, Sony's W TVs support both full and limited. Your TV is probably set to automatically detect the dynamic range, set it to full in any case.
cpp_is_king
Member
Yea but It probably just detects what the console was sending it, which in this case I had it set to Limited on both consoles since that's the default. I'll set both to Full, I guess that's supposed to result in a better image?
iamshadowlark
Banned
There's always crappy TVs that you can get for cheap. They prove nothing. I'd wait for Samsung's flagship and maybe Vizio with their reference series to compare prices as they have probably the best quality TVs for the price thanks to Chinese/Korean production, not some shitty bottom shelf brand.
Dont have any demo discs or calibration content, but just used my eyes as a reference and went through many movies to properly set the picture of my 900. Finally satisfied.
Cinema scene, Warm 2 w/adjusted white balance, brightness at around 45, Impulse motionflow, live color at low. Picture is mindblowing. Regular TV (almost human on Fox looked amazing, first time ever watching it, is it actually good?), blu-ray both look jaw dropping like this. For Motionflow, True Cinema(with severely reduced backlight) also looks excellent so Im still trying to decide between that and Impulse, either way, both produce excellent cinema like motion.
As far as games, Game mode with a few minor adjustments is perfect. I never realized before just how bad lag was on older sets I had.
Cinema scene, Warm 2 w/adjusted white balance, brightness at around 45, Impulse motionflow, live color at low. Picture is mindblowing. Regular TV (almost human on Fox looked amazing, first time ever watching it, is it actually good?), blu-ray both look jaw dropping like this. For Motionflow, True Cinema(with severely reduced backlight) also looks excellent so Im still trying to decide between that and Impulse, either way, both produce excellent cinema like motion.
As far as games, Game mode with a few minor adjustments is perfect. I never realized before just how bad lag was on older sets I had.
mitchman
Gold Member
"Bad" is a matter of definition. Compared to a calibrated movie preset, it's noticeable, but it doesn't matter for gaming.
The 2013 Sony TV does not have HDMI 2.0 or h.265, h.265 is also missing on the 2013 Panasonic. Netflix 4k requires h.265 support, and other services will too. So it's a tradeoff.
You might as well, honestly I don't see a difference on my TV. That setting is more intended for when you're using your console with a computer monitor.
I wonder if 42ms is considwred good or bad. I mean i am not really good at tellig some stuff like that
I was playing yeaterday a game of cod. And i felt a lil lag when i example turn the gun left or right. Not sure if its screen related or its been a while since i played or even if this is related to the screen
mitchman
Gold Member
42ms is good or okay, depending on what game you play I guess. Did you use Game mode when you tried CoD? You should, particular for those twitch shooters where reaction time matters a lot.
No i didnt. I will try it. Thanks for your support
Panasonic Plasma?
Is it on the right side kinda in the middle of the picture closer to the edge?
If so that is known with Panasonic's. One of the processing chips is there and it heats up too much and you can see that on the panel.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
Unless you have tons of money to burn, never buy a TV when it first gets released. Wait at least 4 months. Examples: the W900a launched at $3k, 2 months later it was $2200. The 60" VT60 was $3k I bought it for nearly half that a few months later.
Sony's are a ripoff if you ask me. They don't even manufacture their own panels. A lot of their panels are made by LG but Sony sells them at a premium because they slap their brand name on them. If I were going to buy a 4K TV is be looking at Vizio's R series this year.
Yeah, its a panny.
My issue is in the top left quarter. I'm running jscreen on it now. Surprisingly, the fist half hour run reduced it a bit. Hopefully more runs will get rid of it entirely.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
Whoever owns a ZT60 needs that fan kit fix.
What a difference and the way it should be.
Ridiculous fan noise before and now silent
What a difference and the way it should be.
Ridiculous fan noise before and now silent
Unknown Soldier
Member
iamshadowlark
Banned
Sony only profits off a few TV models, the majority are sold at losses. Vizios reference series does look promising but there's absolutely no way it's cheaper if all the sets have full local dimming as advertised.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
Call panasonic, there is no link besides calling support.
I tried to deal with that fan but it was annoying at night .
daemissary
Member
I can't find the Panasonic Plasmas anywhere anymore so I'm trying to decide between the Sony W802A and W900A...what is the difference between the two? Is it worth going for the more expensive W900A?
Yes, it is a much better set..
All that money just so I can sit within 5 feet of a giant screen and not have it look like crap? No thanks, I'll keep my couch where it is.
mitchman
Gold Member
Within 5 feet? Don't believe those stupid graphs, believe real research: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-resolution-201312153517.htm
Rex_Harrison
Banned
The fan fix was already applied from the factory to all sets with a build date of August or later. This applies to the VT60 as well. Mine was built in Oct. and I have no fan noise.
No need to scare everyone.
JustAnotherMike
Member
I'm glad there is a thread like this around because I have a question. I'm looking into buying one of the new Sony TVs that were talked about at CES this year.
Specifically this one:
http://store.sony.com/47.6-diag-w600b-series-led-hdtv-zid27-KDL48W600B/cat-27-catid-All-W-Series-TVs
I get a nice discount through my job, so I thought this would be a great pickup. Thing is that this will be my first purchase of a HDTV and I don't want make a costly mistake. From the links posted in the OP I'm guessing Sony makes a good TV, but when I read the features I feel somewhat lost when it comes to the TV jargon. It all sounds fancy on paper, but I was hoping to hear from someone with experience with the brand that I'm making a good choice.
Thanks for any insights you guys can provide.
Specifically this one:
http://store.sony.com/47.6-diag-w600b-series-led-hdtv-zid27-KDL48W600B/cat-27-catid-All-W-Series-TVs
I get a nice discount through my job, so I thought this would be a great pickup. Thing is that this will be my first purchase of a HDTV and I don't want make a costly mistake. From the links posted in the OP I'm guessing Sony makes a good TV, but when I read the features I feel somewhat lost when it comes to the TV jargon. It all sounds fancy on paper, but I was hoping to hear from someone with experience with the brand that I'm making a good choice.
Thanks for any insights you guys can provide.
ss_lemonade
Member
I need to buy a TV soon and wanted to get one of the more affordable, better Panasonic Plasmas (s60 maybe) but after looking all over, I could never find one anymore. I guess the closest one I found was a 50in p50x60 but I think I'm better off with a 1080p set.
So what's the next, better choice without going over my budget of $1000 and not being over 60in? This will be used mainly for gaming by the way, with a little movie watching here and there. Some other plasma choices I see are the LG 60PN5000 (not so sure about this because of the price, quality could be crap T_T) and the Samsung PN60F5300. If those aren't good, how's something like the Samsung UN50F6300?
So what's the next, better choice without going over my budget of $1000 and not being over 60in? This will be used mainly for gaming by the way, with a little movie watching here and there. Some other plasma choices I see are the LG 60PN5000 (not so sure about this because of the price, quality could be crap T_T) and the Samsung PN60F5300. If those aren't good, how's something like the Samsung UN50F6300?
What's up with the weird shape of the Sony W850B?
http://store.sony.com/69.5-diag-w85...-Sony-HD-TVs?_t=pfm=category&pfmvalue=faceted
Is it just the stand that is making it that shape?
http://store.sony.com/69.5-diag-w85...-Sony-HD-TVs?_t=pfm=category&pfmvalue=faceted
Is it just the stand that is making it that shape?
ss_lemonade
Member
What weird shape? The curved screen? It says its slightly curved in the description
Rex_Harrison
Banned
Stay away from LG plasmas. The F5300 is a pretty decent entry level plasma, but I wouldn't recommend it if it's going to be in a well lit room, blacks would look medium gray during the day because it doesn't have a screen filter.
The F6300 is also decent but expect clouding and flashlighting at night because it's edge lit without any dimming tech. These problems seem more prevalent on sizes 50" and up.
I'd seriously wait until the 2014's come out and after the prices drop a bit, late summer-ish.
Haint
Member
Samsung's 60" 5300 and 5500 plasmas are pentile panels, so definitely check one out in person before hand. They pretty much look 720p IMO, the pixel structure is hugely noticeable even from moderate distances. Note this applies to the 60" only, 51" and 64" are standard RGB oddly enough.
ss_lemonade
Member
Hmm, guess I'll try to wait then. Thanks
What? Didn't know they did the same thing too with their TVs. My s3's pentile display isn't so bad but I can't imagine it looking good on large screen TVs. Thanks for the tip
The fact they stopped making them is probably a good reason
Gaf,
I was just at my Local best buy and they are selling a floor model Panasonic Plasma ZT65 for 2000
*only problem is there is burn in in the upper right hand corner...you can lightly see the image of a store symbol.
So GAF...should i pull the trigger and is there a fix that will solve this problem.
Thanks....for your opinion.
I was just at my Local best buy and they are selling a floor model Panasonic Plasma ZT65 for 2000
*only problem is there is burn in in the upper right hand corner...you can lightly see the image of a store symbol.
So GAF...should i pull the trigger and is there a fix that will solve this problem.
Thanks....for your opinion.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
You can always buy it, bring it home and run the screen wipe and/or a pixel flipper for 13 days and if it doesn't get rid of the "burn in" just return it. Or if it's something you can live with just keep it.
I don't think i'd buy it personally but it's hard to say. I'd have to see how bad the IR is. Also I'd ask to see how many hours it's been running. Get the remote go to Menu< Help< Version< Status 4 is the hour timer. It's going to be a letter followed by a number. Example: right now my VT60 shows C0246-00000. This means it's been used for 246 hours.
Are you being facetious or have LCDs actually reached plasma quality yet?
Some can compare but they are super overpriced compared to Plasma. You could hunt down a 2013 Panasonic, some places still have them. It won't be until March before you can't order them from Panasonic anymore.
After that you should be looking for Samsung. They will reveal their plasma lineup later this year. Last years was pretty good and insanely bright which is good in a well lit room.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
I don't really understand your post. He wasn't being facetious, Panasonic really did stop making Plasmas, they officially stopped production in December 2013.
LCD's haven't quite matched plasma quality yet, certainly no LED edge lit sets have. It's possible that LCD's will equal plasma PQ soon though with Full Array backlighting and local dimming. It might even happen this year but we'll see.
Viewing angles will still be an issue though, that's just a flaw of backlit screens.
You can probably screen wipe it away or leave it on a loop of fullscreen content for a day or two
Fahrenheit
Banned
Holy shit how can the 900 series be edge lit only?
Hey guys I need just an opinion. Best Buy is having a sale this weekend and was thinking as birthday gift to myself I upgrade my 6 year old LG HDTV for PS4 gaming. Is this a good deal?
LG 47" LED HDTV $399.99 Or LG 42" LED 3D HDTV
I'm simple and don't need a smart TV and I don't care for the 3D but like the cheaper price I just want one that will have my PS4 games looking really great.
LG 47" LED HDTV $399.99 Or LG 42" LED 3D HDTV
I'm simple and don't need a smart TV and I don't care for the 3D but like the cheaper price I just want one that will have my PS4 games looking really great.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
So GAF I need help.
I'm looking at buying a new TV (UK) will be used primarily for gaming/blu-rays, PS4.
I'm stuck between:
55" Sony W905
47" Samsung F8000
55" Samsung F7000
55" Panasonic DT65B
55" Panasonic VT65 (If they get more stock in)
What do you guys think? If I could get the plasma I assume that would be the best choice, however I've never had a plasma so dunno how hard it is to look after it properly.
Ideally I want low lag and an amazing picture so I reckon the Sony W905 would be a wise choice.
Or......
Do I wait for the new 2014 sets to drop?
Just now I'm rocking a 720p 36"? Sammy so basically anything would be an upgrade!
I'm looking at buying a new TV (UK) will be used primarily for gaming/blu-rays, PS4.
I'm stuck between:
55" Sony W905
47" Samsung F8000
55" Samsung F7000
55" Panasonic DT65B
55" Panasonic VT65 (If they get more stock in)
What do you guys think? If I could get the plasma I assume that would be the best choice, however I've never had a plasma so dunno how hard it is to look after it properly.
Ideally I want low lag and an amazing picture so I reckon the Sony W905 would be a wise choice.
Or......
Do I wait for the new 2014 sets to drop?
Just now I'm rocking a 720p 36"? Sammy so basically anything would be an upgrade!
AlimNassor
Banned
I like my 42" 2014 E series Vizio, it's got a good IQ, and no input lag. Vizios new line ups look promising. No more edge-lit crap.
Will any of the new Vizios surpass or come close to the W900a in terms of PQ? I mean they are FALD.
My TV has vertical banding. It's noticeable on old white, or in certain game, it' very faint, but, still. I'm guessing it's very common or is it rare? Still can't get my cable box working, oh well.
Will any of the new Vizios surpass or come close to the W900a in terms of PQ? I mean they are FALD.
My TV has vertical banding. It's noticeable on old white, or in certain game, it' very faint, but, still. I'm guessing it's very common or is it rare? Still can't get my cable box working, oh well.
Very common. To the point that every LCD sold these days has it.
AlimNassor
Banned
My old 57" CRT has it too. I figured it was common. Oh well, the banding was far worse on my CRT.
Rex_Harrison
Banned
I think the Vizio's have good chance of matching the W900's PQ. However, after trying the 2013 Vizio M series ( I was very impressed with the PQ BTW ) Vizio has a long way to go when it comes to motion handling. Even with the motion smoothing set to high with 240hz, everything still looked blurry as hell even on slow pans, and if you don't like the soap opera effect,which I don't care for, if you turn the motion smoothing off, it looked much worse.
I'm looking forward to viewing the P series in person because I want to get an LCD for gaming. I'm a little paranoid about gaming on my VT60, I don't get a lot of time to play so when I do get a day to myself, I've been known to go 6 - 8 hours straight. Hopefully Vizio improves the motion handling of the P series.
As far as banding goes. I think just about every edge lit set had it to some extent, especially the bigger the screens got. It was just one of the many edge lit flaws. It had to do with how they tried to disperse the light evenly across the display. With FALD banding should be a thing of the past because there's no need to bend the light across the display. Every inch of the display has it's own light source. We'll see.
AlimNassor
Banned
Huh. I think the TV handles slower motion well, and faster pretty good. I saw SOME blur when going super fast and screwing with the camera in GTA, but, it was very minor.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
I think I need to be talked down off the ledge....
I have a 5-year old Panasonic P50S1 and I've been getting an itch to upgrade. For years I've been a plasma >>> LCD guy, and rightfully so. But after being a plasma owner, I'm getting kind of sick of their flaws. Namely the image retention (I've never had burn-in) and buzzing. Both are noticeable during normal use. Reading about the newer plasmas it doesn't seem like these issues have really gone away.
So now I've been curious about getting an LCD instead, and I've been eying the Sony 55W900A.
As a heavy gamer with a television in a controlled light environment, am I just setting myself up for disappointment? I'm mostly worried about light-bleed, motion blurriness and shitty blacks.
Have LCD's made any improvements in this regard? Am I suffering from grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side syndrome?
I have a 5-year old Panasonic P50S1 and I've been getting an itch to upgrade. For years I've been a plasma >>> LCD guy, and rightfully so. But after being a plasma owner, I'm getting kind of sick of their flaws. Namely the image retention (I've never had burn-in) and buzzing. Both are noticeable during normal use. Reading about the newer plasmas it doesn't seem like these issues have really gone away.
So now I've been curious about getting an LCD instead, and I've been eying the Sony 55W900A.
As a heavy gamer with a television in a controlled light environment, am I just setting myself up for disappointment? I'm mostly worried about light-bleed, motion blurriness and shitty blacks.
Have LCD's made any improvements in this regard? Am I suffering from grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side syndrome?
AlimNassor
Banned
People like to drone on about how LEDs suck ass, but, they're wrong. Fact: the best Plasma is hands down better then the best LED. But, both have their issues.
The W900A is the best gaming TV to get, but, its fucking expensive.
The W900A is the best gaming TV to get, but, its fucking expensive.