No. The curved screens makes the ideal center position (where the quality of the picture is best) smaller than a flat screen. It's simple: I I or \ /
If it was an OLED screen, then that could explain the better quality at an angle.
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No. The curved screens makes the ideal center position (where the quality of the picture is best) smaller than a flat screen. It's simple: I I or \ /
If it was an OLED screen, then that could explain the better quality at an angle.
It is interesting. The Plasma I have scores like 53ms on a Bodnar test, but with camera it scores 17ms. Not really sure what to believe. I really do like the Plasma, I'm selling it though and moving on to LED or OLED. I'm just a bit tired of turning off my display all the time afraid of burn in, I've had Plasmas for about 4 years or so now and haven't had any burn in because I take care of it well. Also panel buzz and it's ability to heat up a whole room and dithering not looking great on some content. But it's got a damn good picture and screen, better than any LED.
ShadowkillXNA
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Can anyone recommend a led/lcd tv 70" or above that doesnt suffer from screen uniformity issues or motion blur for gaming ? I have until 8-28-2014 to return the tv I currently have and need to decide if there is a better tv I could get.
I have bought and returned a 75" Samsung UN75H6350 and returned it due to screen uniformity which was visible while gaming and motion blur particularly with a black object against a lighter background. Adjusting the motion settings did nothing to alleviate the blur.
I currently have a Sony KDL70W850B that also has screen uniformity problems but they are much harder to notice than the Samsungs. The Sony also has a motion blur issue with dark objects against lighter backgrounds but its not as bad as the Samsungs.
Neither tv's screen uniformity issues were visible when watching tv or movies just in certain games.
I have bought and returned a 75" Samsung UN75H6350 and returned it due to screen uniformity which was visible while gaming and motion blur particularly with a black object against a lighter background. Adjusting the motion settings did nothing to alleviate the blur.
I currently have a Sony KDL70W850B that also has screen uniformity problems but they are much harder to notice than the Samsungs. The Sony also has a motion blur issue with dark objects against lighter backgrounds but its not as bad as the Samsungs.
Neither tv's screen uniformity issues were visible when watching tv or movies just in certain games.
Any thoughts on this.
http://www.dabs.com/products/samsun...tm_campaign=samsung_tv_solus&utm_content=i800
Mainly PC and gaming use, so I am not sure if the Smart TV stuff is a waste or not.
http://www.dabs.com/products/samsun...tm_campaign=samsung_tv_solus&utm_content=i800
Mainly PC and gaming use, so I am not sure if the Smart TV stuff is a waste or not.
Various Artists
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Your best bet is to wait a month and see how the Vizeo P series stands up to the competition and then make up your mind. It will be the first affordable full array backlighted 4K tv.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Sorry to be the one to break this to you but no LCD at that size is going to be free from uniformity issues. It's the nature of the beast. I could not find one at 60" that did not suffer from it. Just accept it and find one you can live with. (or don't and go back to your 50" rear-projection unit like I did)
Unknown Soldier
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It's not exactly easy to uniformly light a 70"+ panel with a couple of tiny strips of LED lights strapped to the sides of the panel. There is no such thing as a large LCD which is uniformly sidelit for this reason. Even the Full-Array Local-Dimming (FALD) backlit sets do not have perfect uniformity, this year's USD$8,000 Sony X950B is an example of this. The only technologies with absolute perfect uniformity are emissive displays, such as plasma and OLED. Alternatively, projectors also can give you perfect uniformity with any available technology, assuming you set them up correctly.
The way the liquid crystals work in Liquid Crystal Display panels, certain types of color transitions are slower than others. This is why certain color transitions will have less blur and others will have more. That's why depending on what colors are used in certain games, you will see more blur or less. Either way, unless you are using one of the Sony 1080p sets which support Impulse in Game Mode, you are going to have motion blur in LCDs while gaming. This is unavoidable, it's the nature of the technology. For the record, until they implement blinking of the OLEDs, the shiny new OLED TVs will also have motion blur while gaming. The only technologies with naturally flawless or nearly flawless motion blur are CRT and plasma.
I wish I could have kept and loved my 65VT60 forever, but the amount of burn-in I had to deal with for gaming was driving me insane. Plasma was such an amazing technology but Panasonic really made it into such a shit sandwich, I've never heard of anyone with a Pioneer Kuro getting burn-in but at that time I was too poor to buy one and by the time I wasn't poor anymore, Pioneer was long gone from the plasma TV business.
That's too bad about your VT60. I just did multiple 10-12 hour sessions of Diablo 3 over the past week on my ST60. The IR from each was gone after watching just one 23 minute anime episode afterwards heh. It has faded faster and faster on mine ever since hitting the 2k+ hours mark (I'm at 9,417 now).
It's true that the Kuro's are much better in this regard. You can literally leave logo's static for hours on end and there won't be any image retention let alone screen burn. The VT60/65 does suffer from minor image retention (only after hours of a static image or icon mind), but it's very easy to get rid of. After a long bout of gaming or whatever, which hardly ever resorts in image retention either way, if it does, I just run this video full screen (using the TV's built in YouTube app) and it's usually gone in less than 15 minutes. If it's a more severe case, just leave it running for longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYtEQn1JqOI
TerryLee81
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Will there be any top models next year with just 1080p or will they all be 4k?
How does 1080p (Blu-ray, games) look on a 4k set? I guess since it's exactly four times the pixels it should look pretty good?
How does 1080p (Blu-ray, games) look on a 4k set? I guess since it's exactly four times the pixels it should look pretty good?
I'd guess that most will still be 1080p.
And 4k is 3840x2160, so 1080p does perfect 2x scaling. It also happens to be exactly 3x 1280x720, so it scales 720p much better than 1080p sets do.
I currently have this Samsung T.V. The picture is fantastic and games on the PS4 in 1080/60 are crisp and butter smooth.
In the next 6 or 7 months, I'm planning on getting a 2nd T.V. for when my girlfriend moves in with me. I was at walmart (yuck) recently and saw this LG 4k T.V. and I was blown away by the image quality. I'll probably be gaming on the LG if I end up getting it, but from what I understand none of this gen's games will take advantage of 4k. Is this true? If so, I may have to think twice about buying a 4k T.V.
In the next 6 or 7 months, I'm planning on getting a 2nd T.V. for when my girlfriend moves in with me. I was at walmart (yuck) recently and saw this LG 4k T.V. and I was blown away by the image quality. I'll probably be gaming on the LG if I end up getting it, but from what I understand none of this gen's games will take advantage of 4k. Is this true? If so, I may have to think twice about buying a 4k T.V.
Crazymoogle
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4k requires rendering four times as many pixels as 1080p, and games still have framerate issues at 1080p.
I think some 4k content is inevitable; stunt demos like back when Gran Turismo PS2 had a 1080i mode or simple 2D games doing it just because it has no effect on performance. But on high end games the performance hit is just too big to consider the jump for general development.
Does anyone know if there's a way to get a 70 inch Vizio in Canada? I bought a 47 refurb on Tiger a many years ago for real cheap before it was an established brand and it's been great. I'm looking for a new E-Series 70 inch. The $1500 price point at that size is hard to resist.
Can't find anything in Canada though
Can't find anything in Canada though
Yeah I figured as much. It's a shame this gen won't take advantage of this. I certainly hope next gen 4k @ 60fps would be the norm.
Does anyone know if there's a way to get a 70 inch Vizio in Canada? I bought a 47 refurb on Tiger a many years ago for real cheap before it was an established brand and it's been great. I'm looking for a new E-Series 70 inch. The $1500 price point at that size is hard to resist.
Can't find anything in Canada though
Most vendors ship all over NA, so I'd think so. Shipping cost might be a bitch though.
Crazymoogle
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My guess is they won't.
d) Current platforms are still GPU-limited. 1080p frame rates could improve next-gen, but the amount of content being displayed (complexity, textures, drawcalls) is also going up.
b) The platform holders seem to believe next gen will be sooner compared to last time
c) 4K adoption is really in its infancy right now. Most game studios do not own even a *single* 4K capable device, whether it be a TV or Monitor. No major PC manufacuter has adopted 4K displays in budget systems. It's just too expensive.
d) No pressure from the TV/film side in terms of content offered.
My guess? 4K adoption picks up speed as it becomes cheaper to buy, but the consoles will treat it like 1080p was treated on PS3: an option, sometimes possible but generally faked with inbetween resolutions and 30fps modes. 1080p will continue to be the standard build resolution until the industry as a whole can convert without leading the way in blowing millions of dollars on it.
PSA: buydig has new 50 inch Sony W800Bs for sale for $798.99 with free shipping on eBay.
Just picked one up myself.
Link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-KDL50W...1064248470?pt=Televisions&hash=item486cdfc096
Just picked one up myself.
Link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-KDL50W...1064248470?pt=Televisions&hash=item486cdfc096
Unknown Soldier
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PC video cards should be able to handle 4K in a year or two.
On PS4, there will probably be 4K indie games. There's no way in hell Call of Duty will be in 4K this gen anywhere but on a future PC though.
Yeah, and it already gets close on one of them. I don't remember the exact res but Child of Light uses supersampling/downsampling from a res that I think is near 4k and outputs it at 1080p. Hopefully you'll see a lot more indie/smaller scale games do that, especially ones designed like Child of Light. It's an awesome rendering technique.
We're not going to get 4k output on games though since the PS4 can only do 4k at 30hz due to its HDMI spec. I guess there's some Nvidia hack that lets you do 4k at 60hz on 1.4, but I doubt that'll be something available or that they'd do on the PS4 (or Xbox One for that matter).
I don't think the next console will do 4K as a standard if it's a short cycle. Say 5-6 years. TVs won't be common place enough and it won't have enough of a power jump. But if it's an 8-9 year cycle then I think 4k will be a pretty safe bet.
Dust-by-Monday
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I always go with computer LCD monitor. No input lag and no signal processing. I also like to get TN panels because they have faster response times (not to be confused with controller lag) for very little ghosting (1ms). Also, make sure the monitor has overdrive (to further reduce ghosting/trailing).
I like Asus VX series monitors. They come in 4 sizes 21.5, 23, 24 and 27.
Asus monitors have a feature called Trace Free (that's what their overdrive feature is called) and the best Trace Free setting is 40. It's a good middle-ground between no overdrive and too much overdrive.
But that's just me.
I like Asus VX series monitors. They come in 4 sizes 21.5, 23, 24 and 27.
Asus monitors have a feature called Trace Free (that's what their overdrive feature is called) and the best Trace Free setting is 40. It's a good middle-ground between no overdrive and too much overdrive.
But that's just me.
So 4K and video game talk: How does a 1080p game feel on a 4k TV? I'm just really on the fence. I can get a sick deal on either a 1080p flagship or 4k TV. I'm thinking if I go with the best 4K TV they are currently offering in 2-3 years it will still be a decent TV, I'd like to get 5 years out of my next TV if possible. At the same time I'm sort of obsessed with running stuff as efficiently as possible and am a AV snob, just having to upscale everything to 4k sounds horrible; but I guess if it looks good.. Also 4K Sonys got like 40ms of input lag.
Crazymoogle
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Looks like LG just officially pulled out of Plasma production. So this is it for Plasma boys and girls. Buy or move on.
See You Next Wednesday
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It has slightly inferior picture quality, lag & light output.
Septimus Prime
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Blu-ray movies look exactly as they would on a 1080p set on my TV.
Unknown Soldier
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If gaming is your primary objective, and you're going to buy into 4K in the next 2-3 years, then you'll be fine with a 1080p set right now as a filler set until 4K matures more. Probably around when Blu-ray 4K is launched is when 4K will probably pick up, as there is little 4K content right now and not that much reason to buy into 4K unless you just enjoy being an early adopter.
If you do decide to jump into 4K right now, just realize that only Sony offers a 4K Media Player (the FMP-X10) and an actual 4K movie service. Netflix 4K has minimal content to speak of, so if you actually want to watch some 4K content on your TV, you pretty much have to buy a Sony 4K set.
mitchman
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Samsung got their video pack with 4k content and exclusive deal with Amazon Prime, releasing in October with 4k content. They also have some other deals. There are thousands of 4k videos on youtube, many at high bitrate with fantastic quality.
Samsung is also the only 4k TV offering hardware upgrades through their evolution kits. For instance, I have the 2013 model 65" F9000 with the 2014 evolution kit making it basically a HU9000 in feature set. For that reason alone, Samsung was the only choice for me.
For those interested, Best Buy is now displaying the LG 55EC9300 OLED in their stores. For me, this was my first time seeing one in the wild.
However, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get into the picture settings. The option seemed to be grayed out indicating that it was in a store demo mode, but I couldn't figure out how to turn that off either. I've never encountered this before and if anyone does know how to access these settings your insight would be appreciated it. As the display was, it confirmed what we already knew about the technology: it's a contrast champion. Other than that, it was the same old blown out, macroblocked ugliness that we see from every other in-store television display. I'd like to be able to see what this television can do. (to the best degree the viewing environment allows, of course)
They usually are.
As a general recommendation, before seeking something like a soundbar (as most do) or all-in-one home theater in a box price out a receiver and speakers. In most cases, a cheap receiver and some bookshelf or budget floor standing speakers will obliterate the other options and you can easily add-on or upgrade later as you feel it necessary.
However, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get into the picture settings. The option seemed to be grayed out indicating that it was in a store demo mode, but I couldn't figure out how to turn that off either. I've never encountered this before and if anyone does know how to access these settings your insight would be appreciated it. As the display was, it confirmed what we already knew about the technology: it's a contrast champion. Other than that, it was the same old blown out, macroblocked ugliness that we see from every other in-store television display. I'd like to be able to see what this television can do. (to the best degree the viewing environment allows, of course)
They usually are.
As a general recommendation, before seeking something like a soundbar (as most do) or all-in-one home theater in a box price out a receiver and speakers. In most cases, a cheap receiver and some bookshelf or budget floor standing speakers will obliterate the other options and you can easily add-on or upgrade later as you feel it necessary.
CyberChulo
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So with you guys who have UHD TV's. Do you need to upgrade your receiver to handle your components connected the TV or can you still use what you got? I have the Onkyo 607 and 709 models.
Unknown Soldier
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I have Elysium, Looper, Lawrence of Arabia, The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, The Da Vinci Code, Angels & Demons, Total Recall (2012), etc.
The catalog isn't exactly amazing but it beats the crap out of whatever is free on YouTube which is pretty lousy quality.
The quality of Amazon Video is even more questionable than Netfix 4K but I guess we'll see. The quality of the movies on Video Unlimited 4K using XAVC encoding at a high 50-60 Mbps bitrate with each movie around 50-60 GB is basically as good as it gets.
Crazymoogle
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Well, as it turns out the VESA wall adapter is unneeded, at least for the 55" model. It literally does not fit.
On the plus side, the TV did come with some lengthening bolts which seem to do the same job. So tl;dr: you don't need an adapter, but I wasted 3 weeks and 3 returned adapters finding this out.
On the plus side, the TV did come with some lengthening bolts which seem to do the same job. So tl;dr: you don't need an adapter, but I wasted 3 weeks and 3 returned adapters finding this out.
See You Next Wednesday
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What type of wall mount does the Sony need exactly?
Crazymoogle
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The W790/W800 has a very thin display, maybe an inch give or take. But the bottom end obviously gets thicker (twice as thick, really) to accomodate power connections, HDMI, internal electronics, etc...this means whatever wall mount you buy wouldn't work simply because wall mounts need two sets of two vertical screw holes that are all level.
To accommodate this, Sony packs in two long hexagonal bolts that act as screw extenders; you screw them into the thin part of the TV back and they are long enough to be level with the screw holds in the base. They explain it very poorly though; it's on the last page of the manual and is shown connecting to something that does not look like a wall mount bracket.
If you screw in the provided extenders, it will work just fine with any normal VESA wall mount (for example, anything SANUS sells).
Unfortunately, some of Sony's sets (not sure if any current ones) need a $30 adapter (basically a steel box that screws into the thin back of the TV) to work with brackets (excepting a single stand that Sony themselves make, but only sell in the US). The 55" W790B is listed as one of the TVs that supports this, but in reality the adapter is about a quarter inch too short to actually fit. (The manual, of course, does not list the 55" set. But the website confirms it in multiple places.)
In my less-than-exciting adventure, I ordered the bracket through a Sony Store. It mistakenly was delivered to the wrong province. Then the one that arrived was shipped bent and unusable. The replacement (also took a week+ to order) did not come with screws. I would have ordered again had I not tried lining it up anyway and finding it didn't fit...
That tv is discontinued. The new model is h8000 and is curved.
Hawk269
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No need to upgrade you Audio Equipment for a 4k set, all you stuff will work fine with it. The only time you would is when HDMI 2.0 devices come out and you want them to be run through your receiver, which would also need to have HDMI 2.0 in/out to handle it. But right now, there is NOTHING that has HDMI 2.0.
I have a Sony XBR-900a 65" 4k Set and a Panasonic AX800 65" 4k Set and I use my Sony receiver on the Panasonic and my Denon Receiver on the Sony with no issues. IMHO opinion games look better on the 4k sets than 1080p counterparts. I have run numerous games on my Sony 55" XBR929 and Sony 65" 850A 1080p and then ran the same games on my 4k sets and they look a little better to me.
JackLongRod
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I need a TV for parents spare room can anyone tell me if RCA is any good ? Saw one for $200 today.
Lv99 Slacker
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Looking for some advice on picking a Vizio tv with a good balance between picture quality and input lag. If you guys only had to choose what is available on Dell.com (budget: $1,500 max), what would you go for?
Unknown Soldier
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My FMP-X10 is HDMI 2.0 and requires HDCP 2.2 to function.
However it also has dual HDMI outputs, so you can connect one HDMI to the TV and the other to the receiver. This is quite convenient.
I wouldn't pick a Vizio for starters. Dell.com sells plenty of other TV brands.
Lv99 Slacker
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I'm buying from Dell, because I have a Preferred account and can put it in a low monthly payment plan. I could get a Samsung F8500, but since gaming is of a bigger priority than movies, it's not on the top of my list.
If not a Vizio, then what models would you recommend?
AlimNassor
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I guess I'm the only person in the world who has no issue with the sound on my LED. It was my first LED, and I didn't really notice a huge difference coming from my CRT.
WheelHoss1
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My 4K Samsung 8550 arrives tomorrow. Will post impressions of PS4 and Xbone once I get it all going. Excited!