Awesome. Is 4K content offered to all Amazon Prime members or is it like Netflix where you have to pay a premium? Currently, I'm an Amazon Prime subscriber but have yet to watch anything.
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Awesome. Is 4K content offered to all Amazon Prime members or is it like Netflix where you have to pay a premium? Currently, I'm an Amazon Prime subscriber but have yet to watch anything.
DangerMouse
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If you're already on Prime then you can watch the 4K stuff that they've added to Prime so far without paying anything extra, they don't have any other subscription.
Ofcourse unsurprisingly a lot of the list of available 4K/UHD movies and TV shows are not part of Prime, but the stuff that's part of Prime and available in 4K, like Amazon's own shows (that new The Man in the High Castle for example), a couple of movies and shows like Orphan Black, and couple of nature things, you'd be able to watch without paying anything more.
The rest of the 4K shows or movies they've got you'd have to buy as usual.
Note: As long as the Amazon app on the TV has been updated for 4K streaming.
Oh yeah, another obvious Youtube workaround is ofcourse if your PC and graphics card are good enough you could also connect it to the TV as a monitor and use Youtube that way. If you're graphics card and PC can handle it.
Samurai G0SU
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I cant wait till we get some native 2160p games. Sure lotta games now have pc settings but maybe i dont understand dev process. Like do they shoot for a certain res texture and it just scales up or down depending on the res u choose? Or something different like how vector images work. Idk
I mention this is because thats when ill jump n grab me a 4k tv. Eyed the vizio p series but they discontinued them
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Anyone watch any 4k content yet?
I mention this is because thats when ill jump n grab me a 4k tv. Eyed the vizio p series but they discontinued them
... Anyone watch any 4k content yet?
As the title says, im looking for a 4k TV for gaming (and movies, netflix etc.). There are some good deals here in Sweden during black friday on some TVs. What do you guys think of the Samsung 55" LED-TV UE55JU6075? Currently for a great price here and I am considering buying it. But how is input latency and stuff like that? Do you recommend something else?
I would just invest slightly more for the UE55JU6475. Better build quality, more connections, full chroma 4:4:4 at 4K.
https://www.komplett.no/k/kcp.aspx?sku=841637&sku=845291&sku=841637
Check the US review (US 6500 is the EU 6400):
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju6500
It's a great value imho, I was nearly buying it myself but I decided to go with the Sony x8505c due the better contrast.
Thanks, will consider that.
Whats your opinion on this one? Slightly more expensive but I am willing to spend that.http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/ljud_och_bild/225822-samsung_55_led-tv_ue55js8005txxe_4k_ultra_hd&atcl=external:ref
It's an excellent TV, also a input lag of about 22ms in game mode. The price difference between the models is justified. It has a bigger color gamut, more light output, high quality build bezel and stand.
The only video review I know of but it's in german :-/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkFA3QGuNsE
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js8500 (not exactly the same model but should be pretty close to it except the input lag)
If I interpret the link of the dealer correct, it's a special offer because it's even cheaper than the 7000 series? Sounds like a no brainer not to buy it :-D
Is anyone familiar with IKEA's besta modular units? I have several of them assembled and pushed against one another to create a media center bench. Prior to having my TV mounted, could I set the TV on top of the benches? I had a 40" Samsung sitting there for a few weeks, which weighed about 32 lbs. Well today I picked up a 55" Vizio M series, which weighs 40 lbs. In theory, eight more pounds shouldn't hurt, right? Just don't want to damage my furniture.
I got a 60" M series and had to return it because I couldn't stop seeing the long trails when I panned the camera while playing. It was really noticeable for me to the point where it gave me headaches so I had to switch it out for the E series which I think is an awesome set. Basically, every person will see it differently. I wish I could have kept the M series but the blur was a dealbreaker.
Great, well if this doesn't work out I'll probably opt for a Sony XBR55X810C or X850C.
How noticeable was the blurring? Was it apparent in every game or only in certain situations? On my Samsung LN40C530 I could invoke screen tearing and blurring but only if I violently turned the camera back-in-forth, which in real-world usage I would never do.
That's right. The E series has always had pretty good motion reduction enabled by default, while the M60 requires the user to manually enable it after upgrading to the latest firmware that was only made available a few days ago. With the new firmware, the difference in motion handling between the 55" and under sets, versus the 60" and above is huge. In fact, they've flat out removed the "reduce motion blur" setting from the 60hz models with the update.
So, for anyone considering the M series for gaming, stay away from anything under 60".
Well great, glad I'm seeing this AFTER purchasing an M55 earlier today.
What's the current firmware on your set? Do you still see "reduce motion blur" in the menus? Version 1.3.15-UHD removes the setting, but not everyone has received it yet as there's some sort of queue for the firmware update. In any case, can you return it? If so, I'd advise doing so if you find the motion handling to be a problem for you.
EDIT: You should check out the following comparison between the M55 and M60. The local dimming is also much more accurate on the 60".
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-4k-uhd-m-series-thread-156.html#post37696377
Didn't have an M series but picked up an E60 for $728 ($749 everywhere right now) and it is a really nice set for gaming and general purpose. 29 MS input lag , great contrast and lots of options to run it how you want and full array LED local dimming even works pretty well. Didn't notice blur but put it in clear motion anyway for sports.
Really loving it... replaced my 50" Sammy plasma
Anyone have the Vizio d50U-D1 4k 50" TV? I picked one up from BestBuy and it looks great. Only played Halo 5 on it so far with game mode off and I did pretty good and didn't notice lag. I do need some calibration settings. It's suppose to upscale regular HD content to 4K, but it still says its in 1080p when watching tv with my Xbox One or playing games. Also so I need hdmi 2.0 cables in order for it to upscale regular HD content to 4K?
If it's fullscreen then it's upscaling as it should. There's no need to purchase new cables. What the TV is showing you is the resolution of the incoming signal.
Haven't gotten that far yet but plan on doing so soon. Worse comes to worse, I should be able to return the TV. I purchased it from Walmart. While I'm sure the M60 performs better, I just didn't think I wanted a screen that big or to spend more than $1000...though I may end up doing so. We'll see.
Ryu Elessar
Member
Received my replacement LG 55EG9100 and this one looks perfect, my last one had a noticeable blue hue in the middle when viewing anything mostly white, which can be seen in my previous post. Coming from a plasma (Panasonic VT25) I am very happy with this set.
Boombloxer
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I saw a review of the Panasonic OLED and they basically said, it's a tad better, but double the price.
I already have the EG 9600, and I'm enjoying it, so there's no impulse for me.
Just confirms that I'll wait a year or so and then try out the Panasonic.
shungokusatsu
Member
How's console gaming on those sets; is the input lag too much? Ordered a 9100 and will see how things go. If it's unbearable, I'm returning it for a Samsung JS9000.
Input lag is fine on my EC9300. I don't know about the 9100, but if it's the same as the EC9300, then around 32ms in Game mode. The JS9000 is only 10ms less.
Boombloxer
Member
You have to use Game Mode for the 9600.
On Cinema, it's unplayable--like Heavenly Sword delay for everything.
Game mode is fine, and I'm coming from a Panny plasma (now in the loft).
Of course, the picture is nuts. As in, it spoils you for everything.
If you're already on Prime then you can watch the 4K stuff that they've added to Prime so far without paying anything extra, they don't have any other subscription.
Ofcourse unsurprisingly a lot of the list of available 4K/UHD movies and TV shows are not part of Prime, but the stuff that's part of Prime and available in 4K, like Amazon's own shows (that new The Man in the High Castle for example), a couple of movies and shows like Orphan Black, and couple of nature things, you'd be able to watch without paying anything more.
The rest of the 4K shows or movies they've got you'd have to buy as usual.
Note: As long as the Amazon app on the TV has been updated for 4K streaming.
Oh yeah, another obvious Youtube workaround is ofcourse if your PC and graphics card are good enough you could also connect it to the TV as a monitor and use Youtube that way. If you're graphics card and PC can handle it.
Thank you! You've been tremendously helpful! Is there any way I can tell which content supports 4K? The Amazon Prime app on my Vizio M series does not seem to indicate this information at a glance.
Sadly, my mid-2012 MacBook Air would likely not be able to handle 4K video, let alone running a 4K external display.
Ryu Elessar
Member
I think you will be happy with the purchase. I have played through Halo 5, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and currently Bloodborne: The Old Hunters with no noticeable difference from playing on my plasma. I use PC + Game Mode.
Anyone have a Samsung 5202? I just picked up the 58" model to replace a terrible 55" Insignia that I bought for 700 CDN a year and a half ago. It's not bad for under $1,000 CDN. However since I got my Panny ST50 years ago, I compare everything to that and still haven't seen anything close to that for price/performance.
Unfortunately I live in the Arctic so I was terrified to ship it up here in case it broke so it just sits in my dad's basement unloved and neglected while I try to make due with these inferior LED displays.
Unfortunately I live in the Arctic so I was terrified to ship it up here in case it broke so it just sits in my dad's basement unloved and neglected while I try to make due with these inferior LED displays.
megarockexe
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I have a Vizio D series. What can I do to hide the visible clipping in dark areas? If I check the lagom LCD test, black is really dark and there's a notable jump to light grays.
exmachina64
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I cant wait till we get some native 2160p games. Sure lotta games now have pc settings but maybe i dont understand dev process. Like do they shoot for a certain res texture and it just scales up or down depending on the res u choose? Or something different like how vector images work. Idk
I mention this is because thats when ill jump n grab me a 4k tv. Eyed the vizio p series but they discontinued them
Anyone watch any 4k content yet?
Isn't the Vizio D series supposed to replace the P series? Don't know about their quality yet.
CoachKevin
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edit: never mind, all set.
exmachina64
Banned
Fuck it, I finally did it.
Pulled the trigger on a UN50J6200 to hold me over for a year or two till 4K gets where it needs to be. The set's arriving on Tuesday and I'll try to post impressions at the end of next week.
Pulled the trigger on a UN50J6200 to hold me over for a year or two till 4K gets where it needs to be. The set's arriving on Tuesday and I'll try to post impressions at the end of next week.
LlamaBandito
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Best Buy's Cyber Monday deals just went up on the website and I'm eyeing a couple of TV's. I'm looking at these below:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/3892035.p?id=1219606086708&skuId=3892035
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...lver/5183113.p?id=1219646565338&skuId=5183113
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...lack/2698045.p?id=1219555370090&skuId=2698045
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/4517500.p?id=1219755712403&skuId=4517500
I'd like to stick with that price range and will mostly use the TV for gaming, cable, and some occasional blu-rays. Anyone have one of the TV's above or have any suggestions? Thanks!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/3892035.p?id=1219606086708&skuId=3892035
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...lver/5183113.p?id=1219646565338&skuId=5183113
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...lack/2698045.p?id=1219555370090&skuId=2698045
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/4517500.p?id=1219755712403&skuId=4517500
I'd like to stick with that price range and will mostly use the TV for gaming, cable, and some occasional blu-rays. Anyone have one of the TV's above or have any suggestions? Thanks!
So my old 37" LG (37LF65) is starting to reach end of the line and I'm thinking of replacing it with 50" one.
I game on my TV screen using PS4 and PC. I think I don't want to bother with 4K, so what would be a good option? OP's Techradar link has the Sony KDL-50W829, which seems pretty nice. Is there a european version or a newer model?
I reside in Finland and my absolute budget maximum is 1000€, but I am hoping to spend less.
Edit.
Things I would like
- low input lag (a must)
- has to be wall mountable (probably all are)
- fast OS/menus (probably all new TV's have?)
- miracast support (probably all new TV's have?)
I game on my TV screen using PS4 and PC. I think I don't want to bother with 4K, so what would be a good option? OP's Techradar link has the Sony KDL-50W829, which seems pretty nice. Is there a european version or a newer model?
I reside in Finland and my absolute budget maximum is 1000€, but I am hoping to spend less.
Edit.
Things I would like
- low input lag (a must)
- has to be wall mountable (probably all are)
- fast OS/menus (probably all new TV's have?)
- miracast support (probably all new TV's have?)
You made the right choice.
Forget about the listed LGs.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/w800c
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/j6300
If it's between those two, I would choose the Sony over the Samsung.
Maybe this could inspire you:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best
The for Sony models the ending of the series is important, the newest ones end with C. A= 2013 B = 2014 C = 2015 W = Full HD X = 4K.
Also check the input lag and other features here:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best the name convention in Europe is very similar.
EDIT: If you want a fast and responsive TV OS forget about the Sonys, Android TV is probably not in the state you would like to.
EDIT2: http://www.samsung.com/fi/consumer/tv-av/tv/uhd/UE55JU6475UXXE this is a very affordable 4K TV (could also be under the modelnumber 6450) input lag is about 26ms in game mode. US review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju6500
CoachKevin
Member
I just pulled the trigger on the Samsung 65" UN65J6300 at $1099.
Checked out a ton of Samsung and Sony models, but I just didn't see the value in the more expensive models (4K, curved, etc).
I don't do any 4K, just games and blu rays with some streaming.
Checked out a ton of Samsung and Sony models, but I just didn't see the value in the more expensive models (4K, curved, etc).
I don't do any 4K, just games and blu rays with some streaming.
LlamaBandito
Member
EDIT: double post, sorry
LlamaBandito
Member
Thanks. I guess I skip Sony's then.
I have been eyeing these two Samsungs:
UE48JU6470 at 849
UE48JU7005 at 999
I think they both should have good input lag in game mode. Does anyone have any experience with either model (search didn't return anything).
If playing during bright sunlight is important to you, you should pick the Vizio due the brighter output.
It's a great set:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e-series-2015
Maybe ask Klocker for more specific question regarding this model?
The 7000 Series has a higher refresh rate panel (100/120Hz compared 50/60Hz), wider color gamut which is only useful for PC or UHD Blurays and better build quality.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7100
Just keep in mind you can't use any motion interpolation when you are in game mode due the enormous increase in input lag of over 100ms.
What it is:
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answe...2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ4ODI2MDQ4L3NpZC9JdjRObEtDbQ==
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/33515/~/what-is-the-x-reality-pro-feature?
Choose your model and use the recommend settings:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-brand/sony
https://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-2014-lcd-settings-thread.1863098/
It "should" make lower quality content do look better.
Depends on it, you can calibrate simple with software and test patterns which isn't the most accurate thing or use additional hardware equipment like spydertv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq1XCtOaUPA
http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-accessories-reviews/spyder4tv-hd-review/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...1-how-to-tune-up-your-new-lcd-or-plasma-hdtv/
http://www.techhive.com/article/2079503/easily-calibrate-your-new-hdtv.html
Usually using test patterns and a guide are enough for the regular joe, the most important thing is that you are happy with the picture.
Can anyone point me to a good settings profile, specifically for gaming purposes, for the Vizio M55? I haven't noticed any motion blurring yet, at least to the point where it's clearly visible and affecting my experience, and that's with all motion blurring settings turned off to allow for minimal input lag.
I will say though that I'm starting to realize that 4K is still a pipe dream. There's a lot of work you need to do to view 4K content. For one, the YouTube app on the M series does not support, at least to my knowledge, the ability to view 4K videos. I was neither successful in viewing 4K content from the Amazon Prime app. When I finally created a UltraFlix account and logged into the app on my TV, the free content I was able to watch stuttered the entire time, meaning my Internet connection is clearly too slow.
So, without 4K content, is there any benefit in having a 4K TV? Does upscaling 1080p content really produce a better image? There's a lot of conflicting information about this across the web. Some sources claim yes, some claim no. Either way, it seems that a lot is sacrificed (input lag, motion handling, price, etc.) just to achieve the ability to view 4K content that you may or may not actually ever watch. For those reasons, I'm wondering if I would have been better off with a 1080p TV.
There was an earlier post in here claiming how the M60 exhibits less motion blurring over the M55 being as the former sports a 120 Hz panel but if all motion processing technologies are turned off in the interest of minimizing input lag, what benefit is there? See the following post from someone who purchased both models over at the AVS forums:
If you're buying a set purely for low latency console gaming at 60Hz, I don't think you will notice a significant difference going from the M55 to the M60 as you will want to keep GLL on. I tried a number of FPS games (Fallout 3 NV streaming from my PC via NVIDIA Shield, Bioshock and Tomb Raider on PS3 and Bioshock 2 directly from PC via HDMI), and while the motion looks noticeably better on the M60 with GLL OFF, there is too much lag between input and the screen to play effectively. Turning GLL on fixes the lag but also disables the motion handling advantage that the M60 has over the M55 with 60Hz input.
For my setup, I think I could have actually gotten away with the larger 60" size but it doesn't appear that I would have achieved much benefit from the 60", other than the larger size alone, based on my purposes. I still find myself sitting almost as close to the 55" as I did for my 40". Not sure if this is out of habit or because the 55" is still not big enough. Regardless, the 55" is a welcome jump from the 40" and everything I've played thus far felt much more immersive.
On a final note, is this normal? All four corners are noticeably brighter that the rest of the display. This is somewhat exaggerated by the poor IQ quality of my phone's camera but it's definitely there.
I will say though that I'm starting to realize that 4K is still a pipe dream. There's a lot of work you need to do to view 4K content. For one, the YouTube app on the M series does not support, at least to my knowledge, the ability to view 4K videos. I was neither successful in viewing 4K content from the Amazon Prime app. When I finally created a UltraFlix account and logged into the app on my TV, the free content I was able to watch stuttered the entire time, meaning my Internet connection is clearly too slow.
So, without 4K content, is there any benefit in having a 4K TV? Does upscaling 1080p content really produce a better image? There's a lot of conflicting information about this across the web. Some sources claim yes, some claim no. Either way, it seems that a lot is sacrificed (input lag, motion handling, price, etc.) just to achieve the ability to view 4K content that you may or may not actually ever watch. For those reasons, I'm wondering if I would have been better off with a 1080p TV.
There was an earlier post in here claiming how the M60 exhibits less motion blurring over the M55 being as the former sports a 120 Hz panel but if all motion processing technologies are turned off in the interest of minimizing input lag, what benefit is there? See the following post from someone who purchased both models over at the AVS forums:
If you're buying a set purely for low latency console gaming at 60Hz, I don't think you will notice a significant difference going from the M55 to the M60 as you will want to keep GLL on. I tried a number of FPS games (Fallout 3 NV streaming from my PC via NVIDIA Shield, Bioshock and Tomb Raider on PS3 and Bioshock 2 directly from PC via HDMI), and while the motion looks noticeably better on the M60 with GLL OFF, there is too much lag between input and the screen to play effectively. Turning GLL on fixes the lag but also disables the motion handling advantage that the M60 has over the M55 with 60Hz input.
For my setup, I think I could have actually gotten away with the larger 60" size but it doesn't appear that I would have achieved much benefit from the 60", other than the larger size alone, based on my purposes. I still find myself sitting almost as close to the 55" as I did for my 40". Not sure if this is out of habit or because the 55" is still not big enough. Regardless, the 55" is a welcome jump from the 40" and everything I've played thus far felt much more immersive.
On a final note, is this normal? All four corners are noticeably brighter that the rest of the display. This is somewhat exaggerated by the poor IQ quality of my phone's camera but it's definitely there.
So i've been looking for a 48 inch TV for the bedroom, would use it for watching movies and some console gaming.
Came across this deal, would you guys recommend it. Or is there any thing out there better for the price?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-48-class-47-6-diag--led-1080p-hdtv-black/9481034.p?id=1219704420852&skuId=9481034
Came across this deal, would you guys recommend it. Or is there any thing out there better for the price?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-48-class-47-6-diag--led-1080p-hdtv-black/9481034.p?id=1219704420852&skuId=9481034
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Can anyone point me to a good settings profile, specifically for gaming purposes, for the Vizio M55? I haven't noticed any motion blurring yet, at least to the point where it's clearly visible and affecting my experience, and that's with all motion blurring settings turned off to allow for minimal input lag.
I will say though that I'm starting to realize that 4K is still a pipe dream. There's a lot of work you need to do to view 4K content. For one, the YouTube app on the M series does not support, at least to my knowledge, the ability to view 4K videos. I was neither successful in viewing 4K content from the Amazon Prime app. When I finally created a UltraFlix account and logged into the app on my TV, the free content I was able to watch stuttered the entire time, meaning my Internet connection is clearly too slow.
So, without 4K content, is there any benefit in having a 4K TV? Does upscaling 1080p content really produce a better image? There's a lot of conflicting information about this across the web. Some sources claim yes, some claim no. Either way, it seems that a lot is sacrificed (input lag, motion handling, price, etc.) just to achieve the ability to view 4K content that you may or may not actually ever watch. For those reasons, I'm wondering if I would have been better off with a 1080p TV.
There was an earlier post in here claiming how the M60 exhibits less motion blurring over the M55 being as the former sports a 120 Hz panel but if all motion processing technologies are turned off in the interest of minimizing input lag, what benefit is there? See the following post from someone who purchased both models over at the AVS forums:
If you're buying a set purely for low latency console gaming at 60Hz, I don't think you will notice a significant difference going from the M55 to the M60 as you will want to keep GLL on. I tried a number of FPS games (Fallout 3 NV streaming from my PC via NVIDIA Shield, Bioshock and Tomb Raider on PS3 and Bioshock 2 directly from PC via HDMI), and while the motion looks noticeably better on the M60 with GLL OFF, there is too much lag between input and the screen to play effectively. Turning GLL on fixes the lag but also disables the motion handling advantage that the M60 has over the M55 with 60Hz input.
For my setup, I think I could have actually gotten away with the larger 60" size but it doesn't appear that I would have achieved much benefit from the 60", other than the larger size alone, based on my purposes. I still find myself sitting almost as close to the 55" as I did for my 40". Not sure if this is out of habit or because the 55" is still not big enough. Regardless, the 55" is a welcome jump from the 40" and everything I've played thus far felt much more immersive.
On a final note, is this normal? All four corners are noticeably brighter that the rest of the display. This is somewhat exaggerated by the poor IQ quality of my phone's camera but it's definitely there.
Looks like backlight blooming. May need a firmware update to fix, if the set local dimming.