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Wow that's some insane prices from Sony considering they are the least innovative among the big TV players this year.

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The prices aren't final btw, but then again even if it's lower I don't see how much lower it can be...
 
tmdorsey said:
Absolutely! Owned it since Black Friday and I still get amazed a little everyday by the IQ. It's not perfect by any means, but for the price, features and picture quality it provides I'm happy.
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To me, it was a steal at $1500. Not sure what you paid, but it was worth every penny to me. Got it calibrated to my liking and I'm blown away with how good everything looks. Far Cry 4 looks amazing and Netflix in 4K looks great too. Hopefully I can get a 4K BluRay player in the near future, or Sony/MS announce 4K playback is coming to either console.
 
At bestbuy.ca , the have a Sony kdl48r550c for 650$ CND, anyone got this display? Was about to buy a LCD model, but iv been reading its no more the brand it was. The US model is probably call 48R550a, i think its the same model. Its just difficult to find review on model of canadiens model....
 
MrJames said:
Sony announced most of the pricing for their 2016 lineup.





http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1455632344

The X940D is launching at the same price the X940C launched at. The X930D is actually $500 more than what the X930C launched at. It's actually cheaper in the UK So much for bringing 4K prices down.

Looks like the OLED E6 will be the one for me as long as there aren't any issues.
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Yeah, waiting for a price drop on the 55" 930C or the Samsung sets before picking up a new TV.

Oh well. Just gives me more time to save.

I know there was a rumor that Samsung wasn't going to have FALD in many of their displays, but I'm still holding out for the specs of their top-end non-curved display.
 
I keep thinking that if the E6 LG does show up her, I don't think I'll be able to wait for the B6.

What's the rumored release date for the E6 atleast? Was it March?
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Yeah, waiting for a price drop on the 55" 930C or the Samsung sets before picking up a new TV.

Oh well. Just gives me more time to save.

I know there was a rumor that Samsung wasn't going to have FALD in many of their displays, but I'm still holding out for the specs of their top-end non-curved display.
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Yeah you're probably not getting FALD in their flat models considering only the JS9500 had it last year. It would be more so a rumor if the new 8500 had FALD.
 
Ok i need to understand something about response time (ms) , because im confuse on what to really buy for my next tv for gaming.

My current tv is an LCD LG model 42LB4D, it got a 5ms response time. Im browsing all the reviews about the LED, and all seem to have something like 29.5 , lower or higher ms, depending of the set. Following ratings from rtings.com http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag , the best for input lag seem to be Vizio at 18.5 ms. With the LCD generation, that was extremely high . Is it the same thing we are talking about with LED? Because i got the feeling im about to get blurrier tv if i get a LED.

Help me understand please, cause my brain hurt atm!
 
HF2014 said:
Ok i need to understand something about response time (ms) , because im confuse on what to really buy for my next tv for gaming.

My current tv is an LCD LG model 42LB4D, it got a 5ms response time. Im browsing all the reviews about the LED, and all seem to have something like 29.5 , lower or higher ms, depending of the set. Following ratings from rtings.com http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag , the best for input lag seem to be Vizio at 18.5 ms. With the LCD generation, that was extremely high . Is it the same thing we are talking about with LED? Because i got the feeling im about to get blurrier tv if i get a LED.

Help me understand please, cause my brain hurt atm!
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Input lag and response times are two different things.
 
MrJames said:
Sony announced most of the pricing for their 2016 lineup.





http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1455632344

The X940D is launching at the same price the X940C launched at. The X930D is actually $500 more than what the X930C launched at. It's actually cheaper in the UK So much for bringing 4K prices down.

Looks like the OLED E6 will be the one for me as long as there aren't any issues.
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I... don't understand this pricing strategy. Sony should challenge OLED on price and beat LG by wide margins. These prices are just too close to OLED for people who can swallow the wrinkles with the current OLED outings in exchange for pure picture quality.

High-end LCDs across the board are overpriced, really.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Yeah, waiting for a price drop on the 55" 930C or the Samsung sets before picking up a new TV.

Oh well. Just gives me more time to save.

I know there was a rumor that Samsung wasn't going to have FALD in many of their displays, but I'm still holding out for the specs of their top-end non-curved display.
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Samsung just announced their FALD models for Europe. They continue with their funky naming differences between markets. In the US the KS9500 is edge-lit (JS9000 equivalent) while in Europe the KS9500 is FALD at 65" and 78". The KS9800 is 88" for all markets. In the US the KS9700 will be the FALD offering at 65" and 78". No zone counts yet. All models will be curved from what I can tell.

Samsung is dropping 3D from all 2016 models.

Yaari said:
I keep thinking that if the E6 LG does show up her, I don't think I'll be able to wait for the B6.

What's the rumored release date for the E6 atleast? Was it March?
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Late March at the earliest for the E6.
 
^ That's not bad... Probably will be a while until I find any of em over here though.

60fps games won't look good in motion. If the LG OLEDs were impulse driven or had BFI modes, it would be another story.
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Saw that posted on AVS in relation to motion, is there an actual issue with that? I have not really had the time to play games on one.
 
DD-11 said:
Looking forward to your impressions.
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So my LG OLED 9100 came today. Ordered it when the price dived after the super bowl from Amazon Warehouse, open box. Prices are back up now so I am glad I bit. Doe not look used at all and the accessories were still sealed. There is a tiny dent in the side of the screen that does not impact picture, but it was listed as pristine so it scare me at first. I may let Amazon know about that as it does not look like it happened during shipping.

As for picture...Holy Shit. I adjusted the settings a bit and eliminated any processing stuff like motion smoothing and dynamic contrast an it looks amazing. I checked out previous screenshot I had taken with the PS4 and the difference is astounding. The black levels make things pop thanks to no backlight and everything looks...I dont know how to described it without gushing.

I was worried when I read OLEDs are dim or can be compare to LCD but this is brighter than my 1 and 2 year old Vizios.

Right now my son is hogging the TV playing a game since he is absorbed by the picture too but once he is done I am going to put it through its motions. Arkham Knight looks so much better than my local dimming LED that it isn't funny.

I will report back later but so glad OLED is the real deal picture wise. Never owned a plasma to compare but going from LED to OLED is dramatic.
 
Kelegacy said:
So my LG OLED 9100 came today. Ordered it when the price dived after the super bowl from Amazon Warehouse, open box. Prices are back up now so I am glad I bit. Doe not look used at all and the accessories were still sealed. There is a tiny dent in the side of the screen that does not impact picture, but it was listed as pristine so it scare me at first. I may let Amazon know about that as it does not look like it happened during shipping.

As for picture...Holy Shit. I adjusted the settings a bit and eliminated any processing stuff like motion smoothing and dynamic contrast an it looks amazing. I checked out previous screenshot I had taken with the PS4 and the difference is astounding. The black levels make things pop thanks to no backlight and everything looks...I dont know how to described it without gushing.

I was worried when I read OLEDs are dim or can be compare to LCD but this is brighter than my 1 and 2 year old Vizios.

Right now my son is hogging the TV playing a game since he is absorbed by the picture too but once he is done I am going to put it through its motions. Arkham Knight looks so much better than my local dimming LED that it isn't funny.

I will report back later but so glad OLED is the real deal picture wise. Never owned a plasma to compare but going from LED to OLED is dramatic.
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PLAY UNFINISHED SWAN (if u own it)
 
Kelegacy said:
So my LG OLED 9100 came today. Ordered it when the price dived after the super bowl from Amazon Warehouse, open box. Prices are back up now so I am glad I bit. Doe not look used at all and the accessories were still sealed. There is a tiny dent in the side of the screen that does not impact picture, but it was listed as pristine so it scare me at first. I may let Amazon know about that as it does not look like it happened during shipping.

As for picture...Holy Shit. I adjusted the settings a bit and eliminated any processing stuff like motion smoothing and dynamic contrast an it looks amazing. I checked out previous screenshot I had taken with the PS4 and the difference is astounding. The black levels make things pop thanks to no backlight and everything looks...I dont know how to described it without gushing.

I was worried when I read OLEDs are dim or can be compare to LCD but this is brighter than my 1 and 2 year old Vizios.

Right now my son is hogging the TV playing a game since he is absorbed by the picture too but once he is done I am going to put it through its motions. Arkham Knight looks so much better than my local dimming LED that it isn't funny.

I will report back later but so glad OLED is the real deal picture wise. Never owned a plasma to compare but going from LED to OLED is dramatic.
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Nice, congrats. You have my envy. Let us know about input lag when you get the chance.
 
Any news on 2016 4K models with native 1080p @ 120hz...?

The listing on my go-to website rtings.com, doesn't reflect what was announced at CES in January.

I have been eyeing the 850C because it had a firmware update that allowed for quasi-HDR, but I'm wondering if the cost difference of the 850D will be low enough to justify waiting for certified HDR.
I've been team-Sony with my television sets for years, but could certainly be convinced of going with LG, Vizio, or Samsung if they had the full features I want and the right price.

Having the option of playing a PC game at either 4K@60fps or 1080p@120fps is really tempting!
(I have two 980TI's in SLI running to the living room; pretty stupid decision on my part to not upgrade the television set first.)
 
DD-11 said:
Nice, congrats. You have my envy. Let us know about input lag when you get the chance.
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To be honest, I haven't noticed any input lag. I am sure there is some going by the reviews but my last TV was in the 20ms range and if this is double I can't tell. I will try some different games tomorrow but I tried a platformer, an action game and a few third person games and didn't feel handicapped. I did rename the input to PC and put it in game mode before I started playing though.

I also do notice the screen door from time to time, but I sit fairly close and only see it on certain objects. Someday I will upgrade to a 4k model but it's almost imperceptible. That is my only drawback that I can think of.

Playing Batman tonight and when it faded to a black screen with only the loading logo in the corner, the kids exclaimed because my game room dropped into pitch blackness and we couldn't see one another. No LED could do that. The batman logo rotated and glowed in beautiful isolation while the rest of the screen was perfectly black. It's so bad (great) you can't tell if the TV is off or not sometimes.
 
PLASTICA-MAN said:
Exactly, that is what I just read in that same site about the TV I mentioned : http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/w600b?uxtv=28d2
That TV doesn't have Motion Interpolation and it is stated that it is 240Hz but is just marketing and it is just 60Hz overclocked to like 240Hz.
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Generally, it's not possible to overclock a 60hz panel to 240Hz. Before 120Hz and 144Hz monitors became common, people would try to overclock their monitors to ~90Hz.

The 240Hz thing is just a marketing feature for a type of feature that causes the backlight to flash in a way that reduces motion blur. http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/scanningbacklight/

For budget TVs, the backlight scanning/strobing/flashing features tend to reduce brightness to a point where it's not watchable. If you buy that set, calibrate it to Rtings' settings and don't touch the LED Motion mode.
 
Kelegacy said:
To be honest, I haven't noticed any input lag. I am sure there is some going by the reviews but my last TV was in the 20ms range and if this is double I can't tell. I will try some different games tomorrow but I tried a platformer, an action game and a few third person games and didn't feel handicapped. I did rename the input to PC and put it in game mode before I started playing though.

I also do notice the screen door from time to time, but I sit fairly close and only see it on certain objects. Someday I will upgrade to a 4k model but it's almost imperceptible. That is my only drawback that I can think of.

Playing Batman tonight and when it faded to a black screen with only the loading logo in the corner, the kids exclaimed because my game room dropped into pitch blackness and we couldn't see one another. No LED could do that. The batman logo rotated and glowed in beautiful isolation while the rest of the screen was perfectly black. It's so bad (great) you can't tell if the TV is off or not sometimes.
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Thanks for your thoughts. You're not making my waiting any easier. It sounds awesome.
 
This has to be the most weirdest issue i've ever had with a TV, it's also looking pretty damn bad right now. What the hell man?

So i was on my Surface, checking out some videos and for one particular video i right clicked it and chose ''play to: LG TV''

This automatically booted up my LG EC9300's Screenshare option, when i was done watching the video i closed it in windows but it kept playing on the TV. After ten seconds or so it seemed to quit the video on the TV too, except that it started playing it again, it then stopped playing and kept saying ''connecting'' with a spinning wheel.

No matter what i do, i can not get rid of this screen. I fully powered the TV off, i removed the AC cable, i've tried exiting this screen using the remote, and worst of all...absolute worst......

Even a full reset (via remote) to initial settings....does not help this. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm stuck. I can't do anything now. No matter what HDMI port i use, i get this screen.


Please tell me there's a way to reset the goddamn thing completely so that i can fix this? Right before the fucking weekend too.

This is unbelieveable.
 
Called the store and they told me to call LG. They didn't know any solutions.

So long story short, no gaming on the OLED this weekend, monday i'll get called by a worker from LG and he will come to check the TV asap.

Sigh.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
Called the store and they told me to call LG. They didn't know any solutions.

So long story short, no gaming on the OLED this weekend, monday i'll get called by a worker from LG and he will come to check the TV asap.

Sigh.
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That sucks. Leaving it physically unplugged for a while didn't correct it? What about trying to send another video from your Surface? Maybe turning off the Surface?
 
Kelegacy said:
So my LG OLED 9100 came today. Ordered it when the price dived after the super bowl from Amazon Warehouse, open box. Prices are back up now so I am glad I bit. Doe not look used at all and the accessories were still sealed. There is a tiny dent in the side of the screen that does not impact picture, but it was listed as pristine so it scare me at first. I may let Amazon know about that as it does not look like it happened during shipping.

As for picture...Holy Shit. I adjusted the settings a bit and eliminated any processing stuff like motion smoothing and dynamic contrast an it looks amazing. I checked out previous screenshot I had taken with the PS4 and the difference is astounding. The black levels make things pop thanks to no backlight and everything looks...I dont know how to described it without gushing.

I was worried when I read OLEDs are dim or can be compare to LCD but this is brighter than my 1 and 2 year old Vizios.

Right now my son is hogging the TV playing a game since he is absorbed by the picture too but once he is done I am going to put it through its motions. Arkham Knight looks so much better than my local dimming LED that it isn't funny.

I will report back later but so glad OLED is the real deal picture wise. Never owned a plasma to compare but going from LED to OLED is dramatic.
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Enjoy! I ended up going back to the LG 9100 after trying out a Samsung JU7500 and JS9000. After having plasma for so long it was the only model I was happy with in the end.
 
Jigolo said:
http://slickdeals.net/f/8515961-starts-8pm-est-55-lg-55ef9500-4k-uhd-3d-oled-hdtv-2300-free-shipping

LG EF9500 for $2300
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Jeebus, that's sick. The 9100 is still $2k at most retailers still.

Once the 4k OLEDs come down, I am buying one. I'll keep it for myself and put the 9100 in the living room. Had I paid full price for the 9100 I would return it for this, but I paid under $1200. I'll be happy enough for another couple years at least...I hope. The 9100 keeps surprising me with it's contrast and image quality. I feel like I did when I first got an HDTV and I'm a jaded tv-aholic.
 
MrJames said:
That sucks. Leaving it physically unplugged for a while didn't correct it? What about trying to send another video from your Surface? Maybe turning off the Surface?
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None of that fixed it. What did fix it was turning off/on the router and TV once again too. I don't know why, but this fixed it completely. Odd, because after reseting the TV to its initial settings, it was not connected to my router anymore. Whatever the case, it's over and i am damn happy. :)
 
exmachina64 said:
Generally, it's not possible to overclock a 60hz panel to 240Hz. Before 120Hz and 144Hz monitors became common, people would try to overclock their monitors to ~90Hz.

The 240Hz thing is just a marketing feature for a type of feature that causes the backlight to flash in a way that reduces motion blur. http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/scanningbacklight/

For budget TVs, the backlight scanning/strobing/flashing features tend to reduce brightness to a point where it's not watchable. If you buy that set, calibrate it to Rtings' settings and don't touch the LED Motion mode.
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TV's that use active shutter 3D glasses are 240 hz.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
Sorry if someone asked before.

The sony 850c 55inch worth 1200 at bestbuy?
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The 2015 CPU is a little weak and it's on sale bc it's replacement set is dropping any day/week now. If it was me I would hold off and get a 2016 model.



Mr. Wonderful said:
As long as that TV isn't terrible, Sony might literally get my money just because they're first to the market for decent 2016 sets. Samsung needs to hurry up.
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Sonys picture and Android TV are awesome so Sony is getting my money. Samsungs are beautiful obviously but Tizen is absolutely awful in comparison. Probably going to get the Bravia X850D.

Also, Anyone that thinks Sony will sell at those high prices in actual retail stores is mistaken. It was the same way last year. In store pricing was way better.
 
osiris3355 said:
Sonys picture and Android TV are awesome so Sony is getting my money. Samsungs are beautiful obviously but Tizen is absolutely awful in comparison. Probably going to get the Bravia X850D.
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I'm honestly not sure if I'm going to hook my TV up to the Internet for privacy reasons, but Android TV is definitely part of the appeal.
 
PeterVenkman said:
Ugh. Trying to hold out for the B6 pricing, but maybe it isn't worth it with this at 2,300.

What ta do.
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B6 55" is prob gonna go for $3000 by the holidays. It's got HDR10 and Dobly Vision supposedly, better processing, and webos 3.0 (probably but not confirmed, better input lag and better panels)

I'm sure this won't be a one time sale either if the eg9100 adorama sale is anything to go by. It's been on sale for $1400 like 4 times since October.

I'd wait
 
So 4 days into owning an OLED, I have to say I can't feel any discernible input lag. But I am also in game mode with it renamed to PC per recommendations from reviews. Lag is supposed to be about 40ms so that must be a tolerable range for myself since I can't notice it. I have tried doing things in gameplay like steering and various moves but even focusing I can't tell. Gameplay not hindered either. Response time is supposed to be immaculate at .1ms or something so motion is supposed to be good, but I haven't noticed anything staggering yet. I am sure if I switched back to my previous TV it might be more apparent.

Only thing I do notice is the horizontal screen door effect which I can usually only pinpoint on white text and even then looking right at it I can't see it, like it's an illusion I can't pick out unless I am not trying. On a 4k set it is probably better. And even then, it is so minuscule because....

...picture quality is out of this world. I don't think I could ever go back to LCD. It really does feel like a game changer. Things are vibrant, perfectly black and brilliantly white all on the same screen. Dark is dark, not gray or kinda dark like LCD gets even with FALD. The lack of a backlight is so welcome. The colors are deep and beautiful on a way I haven't seen before. Hell, even Minecraft looked incredible when I was playing with my son last night. Nighttime is actually night and the glow of lava looked awesome against the dark surroundings.

The sets are still on the pricey side for most people but in the immortal words of Ferris Bueller: "it is so choice. If you have the means I highly recommend picking one up." Save your pennies, OLED is worth it. I hope this is the future of HDTV tech and I hope LG wins big time for their commitment to the platform when everyone else jumped ship back to the safety of LED.
 
Jigolo said:
B6 55" is prob gonna go for $3000 by the holidays. It's got HDR10 and Dobly Vision supposedly, better processing, and webos 3.0 (probably but not confirmed, better input lag and better panels)

I'm sure this won't be a one time sale either if the eg9100 adorama sale is anything to go by. It's been on sale for $1400 like 4 times since October.

I'd wait
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that's where I'm leaning. Panel quality is a big deal to me too - I really dislike inconsistent TVs. Gotta get some reviews.
 
Is anyone using a Vizio M series 4k to run 1440p content from a PC? I've forced my PC to that resolution in the Nvidia control panel, and it looks a bit sharper but the info display on the TV still says 1080p. I'm wondering if the TV is taking the 1440p and downscaling to 1080p. Is there anyway to tell for sure? I'm running the video and audio from a DVI port through a HDMI adapter into the TV. My graphics card is pretty old, 560 ti, but I don't think that should matter.
 
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