SirMossyBloke
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Oooh, never mind then. Gonna keep looking.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Mr. PlayStation
Member
Anyone from GAF is into gaming projectors? Which one would you suggest? Can you suggest some that are under $1,000 and they happen to offer sharp pictures(1080p), low latency and good brightness.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
ok so im close to pulling the trigger on a 51 inch F8500 which will primarily be used a gaming TV. Anything I should know before hand?
sony literally makes 1 bad set each year, and 10 good ones... hardly hit and miss.
ThatsMytrunks
Member
I got this one at $285: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889624014
Changhong's a good brand, and I have it hooked up to some nice computer speakers. It's back up to $400 after shipping, but it's a good screen.
Mohonky
Member
Honestly, when I was working at a big box store, we had one setup to the usual brand names and it put out what was probably a better picture than all of them.
None of these sets were calibrated of course but for a cheap 32" set straight out of the box it was pretty bloody good at a far cheaper price.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
pretty good TV thought about getting one for gaming purposes but heard the blacks wasn't that good.
I'm not sure about that. I have the F6320 and the black levels are very good once it's calibrated. The H series should be better. Iirc only the Sony high-end models will have a better black level, but then you're paying about £300 more for the honour. The Sony would be better for games though
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
I like Sony tvs alot but I am eyeing Samsung for the lower input lag levels specifically with that Samsung F8500 set.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
The plasma F8500 though... I also was eyeing the Sony XBR-55X850B but the input lag level is at like 39. What is a decent suitable input lag to have for games like BF4 and other FPS?
mitchman
Gold Member
http://www.displaylag.com/lg-samsung-sony-input-lag-results-4k/
Very little difference for most of the TVs from Samsung vs. Sony this year.
My current TV is about 43ms and I don't see a problem with it. Others may be more sensitive to it but I've never thought it was too high for me to use
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
If you ignore all of Sony's sub-20ms 1080p sets, I guess that's true.
Input lag on this TV is stupid high without PC/Game mode, but then you lose PQ and picture setting adjustments.
I would look elsewhere for a main purpose gaming TV.
My w802a is 17ms in game mode, with all picture settings available to edit.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
I only intend to use game mode for gaming purposes. How would you rate the Sony XBR-55X850B? I also plan to watch movies on occasions but the tv will be mainly used for gaming.
LeFAIS
Member
Maybe a stupid question guys, but my knowledge of TV's is quite limited. But I like to watch Twitch on my TV, except there is always a certain part of the picture that doesn't change. Like watching Dansgaming for instant, he is in the picture quite a lot and so the pixels stay the same color.
Now to get to the point, do I have to be afraid of burned-in pixels after some time, lets say a couple of hours.
I have a Sony LED TV.
Thank you guys in advance.
Now to get to the point, do I have to be afraid of burned-in pixels after some time, lets say a couple of hours.
I have a Sony LED TV.
Thank you guys in advance.
That's one of the best 1080p sets you can buy. Input lag is around 60ms. Unless your extremely sensitive to input lag, you most likely won't notice it. Plasmas are beautiful but they have drawbacks like, Image Retention with a possibility of Burn In, line bleed, buzzing, dithering, power consumption, and heat output. From what I've heard, Samsung Plasmas are more IR resistant than Panasonics by quite a lot and they usually don't have an audible buzz from a normal viewing distance.
You won't be able to get dark and uniform blacks anywhere near what the F8500 can produce, on an LED backlit set. This won't be noticeable unless you watch/play in a dark/dimly lit room though.
LCD is still the best tech for gaming IMO, simply because you never have to worry about IR. I know some guys say they've had IR on LCD's, but it's extremely rare. 99.9999% of the time if you play a game with a persistent HUD for 12+ hours straight on an LCD, you're not going to see any IR. Try that on a plasma, and chances are you'll have IR for days, if not weeks or even longer in some cases.
pettson3816
Member
Seems like the new tech is Quantum Dot, since OLED seem hella expensive to manufacture, it may be a serious contender for being the next main stream TV technology. Are there already sets out thgere with this technology? Is it better than LCD?
If you want the 4k, sure, and input lag is about 30-40ms on that set with game mode on. A lot better than the F8500.
I would definitely go with Sony though for a mainly gaming TV. Personally I would stick with a 1080p set still so you don't get any up-scaling blurry-ness.
I would probably go with something like the KDL60W850B if you have the money to splurge on the XBR for a 2014 set. The w900a is also a great set but from 2013, along with the w802a which I have but probably hard to find.
Masterbrew
Member
It is not really a monumental improvement. It is still good old LCD, just with a tweak to the backlight that makes it able to project pure white light, which in turn makes color reproduction better and color space wider.
EYEL1NER
Member
Plasma owners who have ran break in slides: What kind of length of time should I have each slide displayed? I am running slides right now on my new F8500, a 20 slide set, and the default 'normal' speed is displaying the slides for about 3 seconds before moving on to the next one. I turned off the slide transitions and there is a very brief moment in between slides where the screen is black, like a fraction of a second. Should I slow down the slides? Should I have maybe a 'wipe' transition or leave them off?
I am on the Vivid setting with cell light at 20, contrast at 47, and brightness at 47. Screen saver and auto-off have been disabled, pixel shift is still on, I believe. Is there anything I should be doing differently or in addition to that? Any changes or recommendations? I just started and plan to let it run straight for a hundred hours with maybe a small 'off' break once a day or so. Just want to burn through it quickly so I can hook up my new and unused Xbox One. I have bought close to 25 games for it since I bought it on Black Friday and it is driving me crazy not to be trying it out.
One of the ISF calibrator on AVSforums who is spoken highly of and held in high-regard, D-Nice, lives/works an hour away. I'm really thinking seriously about getting a professional calibration done. The only thing that gives me a bit of pause (besides the cost, of course) is that I may be moving at some point in the next 12 months. Actually, it is highly likely that I will be moving to some other region of the country. So getting a professional calibration done specifically for the area and lighting in which my Tv sits at this moment might be a bad idea if it will be in a different location with new lightning and viewing distance and stuff in the near future. The thing that makes me really consider it though is that I really don't know what I am doing when trying to adjust it to where it looks good to me. I tend to favor torch mode setting, really bright and sharp. And I know that is bad for plasmas. I did fire up a game really quickly to test out the HDMI ports and kind of see what the input lag was like. I picked Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon and it was a super-dark picture on movie mode and then super-bright in gaming mode. I just don't want to make any poor choices in regards to brightness and contrast that will lead to bad IR.
One last thing: I spoke too soon when I said that my TV has no forward directional buzzing. It does, actually. It just didn't kick in immediately and only started up after I had racked up about 45 minutes of use on it. It isn't noticeable unless sitting directly in front of it and I did watch a movie on Netflix last night with the volume at 50 and it drowned it out when positioned in front of the buzzing. Pretty disappointing to have something like that going on with a top-of-the-line TV, how it could have persisted in the line since it came out in early 2013 and no likely fix action ever planned. Hell, no one has still ever figured out what causes it. Oh well though, the TV has impressed me during my brief usage of it. I saw that Netflix has a 3D selection and fired up Beowulf really quick just to test it out (only thing I have seen in 3D was Prometheus in the theaters, which I fell asleep during and then didn't even notice the 3D upon waking, and my 3DS which I cannot even see the 3D on despite adjusting the slider all over the place, I assumed I was stereo-blind for a while). My wife and 5-year-old were impressed by the 3D and I have to admit that it was cool, despite being annoyed at wearing glasses over my regular glasses. I can't wait to really use this TV, but there are still so many settings and modes and features that I don't really know what I am doing yet. Haven't even been able to test the STB features with the remote since my Samsung set top box from Time Warner doesn't work at the moment (the tech on the phone and I are assuming that the last lightning strike that fried TV number 2 at the end of summer took out the HDMI on the brand new box as well).
I am on the Vivid setting with cell light at 20, contrast at 47, and brightness at 47. Screen saver and auto-off have been disabled, pixel shift is still on, I believe. Is there anything I should be doing differently or in addition to that? Any changes or recommendations? I just started and plan to let it run straight for a hundred hours with maybe a small 'off' break once a day or so. Just want to burn through it quickly so I can hook up my new and unused Xbox One. I have bought close to 25 games for it since I bought it on Black Friday and it is driving me crazy not to be trying it out.
One of the ISF calibrator on AVSforums who is spoken highly of and held in high-regard, D-Nice, lives/works an hour away. I'm really thinking seriously about getting a professional calibration done. The only thing that gives me a bit of pause (besides the cost, of course) is that I may be moving at some point in the next 12 months. Actually, it is highly likely that I will be moving to some other region of the country. So getting a professional calibration done specifically for the area and lighting in which my Tv sits at this moment might be a bad idea if it will be in a different location with new lightning and viewing distance and stuff in the near future. The thing that makes me really consider it though is that I really don't know what I am doing when trying to adjust it to where it looks good to me. I tend to favor torch mode setting, really bright and sharp. And I know that is bad for plasmas. I did fire up a game really quickly to test out the HDMI ports and kind of see what the input lag was like. I picked Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon and it was a super-dark picture on movie mode and then super-bright in gaming mode. I just don't want to make any poor choices in regards to brightness and contrast that will lead to bad IR.
One last thing: I spoke too soon when I said that my TV has no forward directional buzzing. It does, actually. It just didn't kick in immediately and only started up after I had racked up about 45 minutes of use on it. It isn't noticeable unless sitting directly in front of it and I did watch a movie on Netflix last night with the volume at 50 and it drowned it out when positioned in front of the buzzing. Pretty disappointing to have something like that going on with a top-of-the-line TV, how it could have persisted in the line since it came out in early 2013 and no likely fix action ever planned. Hell, no one has still ever figured out what causes it. Oh well though, the TV has impressed me during my brief usage of it. I saw that Netflix has a 3D selection and fired up Beowulf really quick just to test it out (only thing I have seen in 3D was Prometheus in the theaters, which I fell asleep during and then didn't even notice the 3D upon waking, and my 3DS which I cannot even see the 3D on despite adjusting the slider all over the place, I assumed I was stereo-blind for a while). My wife and 5-year-old were impressed by the 3D and I have to admit that it was cool, despite being annoyed at wearing glasses over my regular glasses. I can't wait to really use this TV, but there are still so many settings and modes and features that I don't really know what I am doing yet. Haven't even been able to test the STB features with the remote since my Samsung set top box from Time Warner doesn't work at the moment (the tech on the phone and I are assuming that the last lightning strike that fried TV number 2 at the end of summer took out the HDMI on the brand new box as well).
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Need to get a new gaming TV so me and my girlfriend stop fighting over our TV time (plus it's been about 7 years).
I need to spend under $1000 and my research has led me to these two TV's --
A Sony KDL55W700B --
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...ulti/7865123.p?id=1219298196084&skuId=7865123
And a Panasonic TC55AS68OU --
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/panason...&ref=25&loc=PGR&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=3924175
Both are on killer sales right now.
Between those two, what do you guys think? I'd also be open to other suggestions as well.
I need to spend under $1000 and my research has led me to these two TV's --
A Sony KDL55W700B --
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...ulti/7865123.p?id=1219298196084&skuId=7865123
And a Panasonic TC55AS68OU --
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/panason...&ref=25&loc=PGR&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=3924175
Both are on killer sales right now.
Between those two, what do you guys think? I'd also be open to other suggestions as well.
I'd get the 700B. Better colors and has Impulse mode for gaming and low input lag. The TC55AS68OU is nice, but 240hz doesn't really do much for me. That $200 off is nice for the Sony by the way, that Sony at Best Buy has never gone on sale in the past 3 months and that Panasonic is consistently $799.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
I don't really care for the 4k to be honest I just want a really good TV and my selection is limited from the vendor I am buying from. I also don't want to go no bigger then 55 inches for personal space reasons. I wish I could find out the input lag on my current HDTV but its so old I can't find any info on it when I search the web. Its a 2009 model Sony Bravia KDL-46S5100. If I knew the input lag on my current old set it would help me better gauge what's acceptable and unacceptable for me.
qualitydisc
Member
Is that true? eBay had a bunch of their sets dirt-cheap over Black Friday and I just assumed they were no-name junk.
I couldn't find any either. If the XBR is available from where you're buying from, it's not a bad choice to go with honestly if you like it.
50W800B, 55W950B, or that 55X850B would be solid choices.
If the vendor is local and they have an F8500.. Is their return policy good? Might be an option.
Mohonky
Member
Changhong is the second largest TV manufacturer in China, listed as one of the top 500 brands in China and for a long time were making their own panels (they may still do). Also they've been at it for nearly 50yrs in the business, so they arent some entirely random group.
They make a lot of OEM stuff, apparently close to 90% of all Chinese TV's that end up overseas are Changhong, just some under a different name. They arent a small player, they are actually very large.
Having said that, they wont be troubling any of the 'big' brands you come to know and expect, they are more in the lower - mid range tier. I've seen really crap stuff from them, but then I have also seen some pretty decent stuff too; it just varies model to model.
A mate who is pretty fussy with his tv sets, he gets his sets ISF calibrated by professional technicians etc, bought a 32" model just because it was cheap for a secondary screen so he and his wife could play online together with their own screen each and even he was pretty surprised by the image it put out.
Dont get me wrong, you are getting what you pay for, but they arent the bottom of the barrel by any means.
Is there a chance to see 32" OLED non curved screens anytime soon. That would be my next TV for sure.
gregor7777
Banned
Can anyone point me to a mount for a 32" TV that has an arm and, most importantly, a "surface mount"?
Bascially I want to mount this arm on a wood surface that I can drill down into to secure it.
Any suggestions? Thanks
Bascially I want to mount this arm on a wood surface that I can drill down into to secure it.
Any suggestions? Thanks
JetBlackPanda
Member
I am pretty close to running down to Costco to grab the Vizio '60 E600i-B3.
any comments from you guys? I have tried to skim the thread and can't find much.
any comments from you guys? I have tried to skim the thread and can't find much.
WheelHoss1
Member
AVS Forum is the best place for HDTV talk.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Thanks for the suggestion! I'm looking into this set and also...
This set. This set seems like a REALLY good deal for the price.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
it only has 60hz though.
Well, I picked up a Sony 55X850b that will be here in a few days. I'm a plasma owner so I know the black levels of the IPS panel will suck, but I needed a general purpose TV for the living room that could handle a ton of bright light and a terrible seating arrangement that'll put 2 seats at bad angles.
I would have rather gone with a VA panel for blacks but since it's mostly for daytime viewing and the kids, it'll be ok. The 4k will just be a novelty to tinker with.
I'm tempted to grab a VA panel set just to see how bad the viewing angles would suck.
I would have rather gone with a VA panel for blacks but since it's mostly for daytime viewing and the kids, it'll be ok. The 4k will just be a novelty to tinker with.
I'm tempted to grab a VA panel set just to see how bad the viewing angles would suck.
I got the 70", and really like it. I think the screen and software are much better than last years model. I haven't done a ton of gaming on it, but they look great. I had to do a bit of calibration to get the colors I wanted, but I think it's worth it. Every day I watch something on this TV I expect to find something I don't like. However, after two weeks I haven't found anything to complain about.
From what I've gathered, the E-series from Vizio this year is one of the better if not best budget TVs to get. If you are looking for "just a TV" it fits the bill just nice.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
What size and type of TV did you have before? If it was smaller, or 720p, or another tech like CRT or rear projection, you will definitely notice more jaggies on a new flat panel. It's natural. You could fiddle with the sharpness controls to try to reduce the jaggies but this will also introduce a lot of artifacts and is generally not recommended.
where did you get its 60hz ? Clearly says 120hz on web page.
Look up about 20 posts. I got one three days ago
I love it. Read some reviews for detailed analysis and data but, from my viewpoint, it is fantastic. Beautiful colours, excellent contrast and brightness, and no problems with the usual LCD drawbacks - motion blur, dirty screen effect, backlight consistency etc. It's not perfect and don't expect it to be perfect because you are getting a ridiculous bargain. What you will get is reference-grade greyscale and colour accuracy (see the below review) from a TV absolutely brimming with great technology and best-in-class Smart features. It's only in a completely dark room that you'll have anything less than great black levels. During daytime and, even night with a bit of ambient lighting, you will have real BLACK levels of black
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue40h6400-201405023756.htm
I had a 720p 30 inch tv before. I never knew how unsmooth 360 games were until I got this tv. Im currently playing alan wake and the graphics are horrible lol. Hopefully when I get my xbox one it wont be as bad.
Look up about 20 posts. I got one three days ago
I love it. Read some reviews for detailed analysis and data but, from my viewpoint, it is fantastic. Beautiful colours, excellent contrast and brightness, and no problems with the usual LCD drawbacks - motion blur, dirty screen effect, backlight consistency etc. It's not perfect and don't expect it to be perfect because you are getting a ridiculous bargain. What you will get is reference-grade greyscale and colour accuracy (see the below review) from a TV absolutely brimming with great technology and best-in-class Smart features. It's only in a completely dark room that you'll have anything less than great black levels. During daytime and, even night with a bit of ambient lighting, you will have real BLACK levels of black
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue40h6400-201405023756.htm
Just what I was hoping for, cheers.
Hi GAF TV,
What do you think of this Sony LED TV?
Should I buy it or not? It is obviously for gaming with my PS4.
http://store.sony.ca/48-w600b-series-led-hdtv-zid31-KDL48W600B/cat-31-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs
Right now I have an old Bravia 32" I'm still very satisfied, very good quality.
So I want to stay with Sony.
M
What do you think of this Sony LED TV?
Should I buy it or not? It is obviously for gaming with my PS4.
http://store.sony.ca/48-w600b-series-led-hdtv-zid31-KDL48W600B/cat-31-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs
Right now I have an old Bravia 32" I'm still very satisfied, very good quality.
So I want to stay with Sony.
M
Anyone have this set?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00II6VY6C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I have a chance to get it for $899. It looks like the reviews are very good. I don't "need" 4k, but it seems cheap enough for the price.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00II6VY6C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I have a chance to get it for $899. It looks like the reviews are very good. I don't "need" 4k, but it seems cheap enough for the price.
hoverboarder
Member
Despite the misinformation going around, Sony does not use an IPS panel in any of its models. I own the same tv, it is fantastic. Blows everything in its price range out of the water.