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Despite the misinformation going around, Sony does not use an IPS panel in any of its models. I own the same tv, it is fantastic. Blows everything in its price range out of the water.

Sony used an IPS panel in last years W800a and in this years W950b.

I owned the W800a for a week. The screen uniformity was shockingly bad. I returned it.
 
Sony used an IPS panel in last years W800a and in this years W950b.

I owned the W800a for a week. The screen uniformity was shockingly bad. I returned it.

Did you see this in writing? Actually curious. It's pure speculation on the internet as far as I can tell. I've talked to a regional Sony TV manager and have been told it's only LG using IPS panels. LG proudly brags about its IPS panels in store display demo loops, Sony doesn't ever mention panels but the processing behind them.
 
I bought a Vizio 60" 4k set about 2 weeks ago, the P602ui-B3, and it's amazing. Black levels are very impressive, and while the picture needs a lot of adjustment out of the box, once it's calibrated, it's fantastic. Gaming lag times are also pretty impressive, with several of the review sites measuring them between 13-16 milliseconds. I paid about 1,400 for it at Sam's Club, and while it's not that price anymore, it's running around 1,700 almost everywhere else. I love it...
 
Anyone from GAF is into gaming projectors? Which one would you suggest? Can you suggest some that are under $1,000 and they happen to offer sharp pictures(1080p), low latency and good brightness.

Look up the BenQ W1070. Has everything you're looking for and is DLP so you don't get the motion blur that LCD projectors suffer from. For the price, this is a gamer's dream projector. I went with a higher tier Sony projector but only because I have a dedicated theater room and I wanted the better contrast for films, otherwise the W1070 for $1000 less was at the top of my list. Super bright, low latency and you can find it for well under $1000 right now.
 
Maybe a stupid question guys, but my knowledge of TV's is quite limited. But I like to watch Twitch on my TV, except there is always a certain part of the picture that doesn't change. Like watching Dansgaming for instant, he is in the picture quite a lot and so the pixels stay the same color.

Now to get to the point, do I have to be afraid of burned-in pixels after some time, lets say a couple of hours.

I have a Sony LED TV.

Thank you guys in advance.

LCD panels don't get burn-ins.
 
Did you see this in writing? Actually curious. It's pure speculation on the internet as far as I can tell. I've talked to a regional Sony TV manager and have been told it's only LG using IPS panels. LG proudly brags about its IPS panels in store display demo loops, Sony doesn't ever mention panels but the processing behind them.

Sony uses whatever panels they are able to source. I believe this year's W950B uses an IPS panel, even though the W850B doesn't. This is one reason why the W950B is heavily criticized compared to last year's W900A. Similarly, the sizes of X900B smaller than 79 inches don't use an IPS panel, the 79 inch X900B does. Most of Sony's top-end panels are AU Optronics AMVA panels, but those 2 TVs in particular use LG IPS panels.

This is really confusing and it means that most of the 2014 Sonys have nice blacks and a few do not. Sony of course now source LCD panels from a 3rd party like any other OEM builder after they sold their stake in S-LCD a few years back. The only two TV builders who actually manufacture their own panels are LG and Samsung.
 
Sony uses whatever panels they are able to source. I believe this year's W950B uses an IPS panel, even though the W850B doesn't. This is one reason why the W950B is heavily criticized compared to last year's W900A. Similarly, the sizes of X900B smaller than 79 inches don't use an IPS panel, the 79 inch X900B does. Most of Sony's top-end panels are AU Optronics AMVA panels, but those 2 TVs in particular use LG IPS panels.

This is really confusing and it means that most of the 2014 Sonys have nice blacks and a few do not. Sony of course now source LCD panels from a 3rd party like any other OEM builder after they sold their stake in S-LCD a few years back. The only two TV builders who actually manufacture their own panels are LG and Samsung.

You're just gonna ignore the three links I posted above that say the W850B has an IPS panel?
 
As someone who is generally a gamer first who doesn't even own cable because of how rarely I watch TV I decided to go with this one KDL50W700B. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-50-class-49-1-2-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-multi/7870004.p?id=1219298196643&skuId=7870004&st=7870004&cp=1&lp=1 I said to myself why pay a crap load for a a 4K 3D TV now when I don't really plan to buy or utilize 3D and 4K may be something I look into several years down the line once it matures within the market a bit more. For The price of the TV I it is definitely a steal. A 2014 50 inch 120hz Sony LED TV with low input lag for 699. I also seen the picture quality in action and its a absolute beast of a display for a very affordable price. The only difference between this model and the KDL50W800B series is it doesn't have 3D which makes it a bit cheaper in price. The KDL50W800B also is not sold in store anymore at my bestbuy but can be bought online.
 
I bought the 55" version of the W700B from Best Buy last week due to the sale, loving the TV. It seems to have all the setting options of the W800B model, just without 3D. For TV watching I would rate it as decent. For gaming though the set is amazing. The low input lag is great. I don't have a tester but the input lag seems lower than the Panasonic plasma I replaced.

My purchase decision was similar to you. Don't care about 3D, and wanted to get a decent but cheaper set until OLED drops in price over the next couple years.
 
I like my 55"700B as well. Black uniformity is fairly bad while in a dark room, can definitely see some of the edge lit, but the 800B and 850B have the exact same thing. It's also a tad exaggerated on my TV because it's been ISF calibrated and they turn off the light sensor dimming and some contrast enhancements. But the trade-off for picture is well worth it, TV has a great natural picture.

Customers got a pretty good deal on the 700B + Sony soundbar at best buy, both were at the lowest prices I've ever seen.
 
Got the Sony 700B, 55 inch. After some tweaking, I love the picture. I actually think it's great for TV, just depends on the source (watching the newer 300 movie and it looks unbelievable)

And for gaming, yes, it's killer. 4 HDMI inputs doesn't hurt, either. I'd recommend it.
 
Can someone shed some light here please? Trying to decide between these two models.

Sony KDL55W700B and the Sony KDL60W630B

From what I've read here the 630B is ideal for gaming.

I watch a lot of sports, xbox one/ps4 and blu ray. Not into 3D and if it has it I would probably not even use it which is why I've ended up with these two sets.

The 700B is also $300 cheaper. $799 at Best Buy right now. Is there a reason I should get one over the other? Price isn't a factor and neither is size, I will be content with the 55 or 60, but I am not opposed to saving $300 if the sets are equally good.

Or if there's another tv out there you guys recommend let me know! Thanks!
 
Can someone shed some light here please? Trying to decide between these two models.

Sony KDL55W700B and the Sony KDL60W630B

Can't say exactly, but sight unseen I'd go with the cheaper W700b. You lose 5 inches of screen size but otherwise get the non-3D version of the W800b. The W630b is supposedly the non-3D, cutrate version of the W850, but it has some other background processing drawbacks, does not have a VESA compatible back, and might have a lower grade panel. (I saw a review say off angle was poor, not sure how arguable that is...)

We know what the W700 is, it saves you money, and best case you get the same experience with either TV.
 
They most certainly do. It's just much less common.

No they do not. They might get image retention in extremely rare cases, but there's no burn-in because LCDs, have nothing to "burn". There's no phosphorus like on CRTs and Plasmas.
 
One last thing: I spoke too soon when I said that my TV has no forward directional buzzing. It does, actually. It just didn't kick in immediately and only started up after I had racked up about 45 minutes of use on it. It isn't noticeable unless sitting directly in front of it and I did watch a movie on Netflix last night with the volume at 50 and it drowned it out when positioned in front of the buzzing. Pretty disappointing to have something like that going on with a top-of-the-line TV, how it could have persisted in the line since it came out in early 2013 and no likely fix action ever planned. Hell, no one has still ever figured out what causes it. Oh well though, the TV has impressed me during my brief usage of it. I saw that Netflix has a 3D selection and fired up Beowulf really quick just to test it out (only thing I have seen in 3D was Prometheus in the theaters, which I fell asleep during and then didn't even notice the 3D upon waking, and my 3DS which I cannot even see the 3D on despite adjusting the slider all over the place, I assumed I was stereo-blind for a while). My wife and 5-year-old were impressed by the 3D and I have to admit that it was cool, despite being annoyed at wearing glasses over my regular glasses. I can't wait to really use this TV, but there are still so many settings and modes and features that I don't really know what I am doing yet. Haven't even been able to test the STB features with the remote since my Samsung set top box from Time Warner doesn't work at the moment (the tech on the phone and I are assuming that the last lightning strike that fried TV number 2 at the end of summer took out the HDMI on the brand new box as well).

The "Samsung Buzz" is a pretty well known thing, it has to do with the driving method Samsung uses for their PDPs. There is no "fix" for the Samsung Buzz because it's how their PDPs work and it's been a part of their plasma TV line since forever. Panasonics have much less buzz, one reason I chose my VT60 over the F8500. The other reason is that the F8500 has more input lag than the Panasonic, and in Game Mode you can adjust every single picture option on the Panasonic unlike when the F8500 is in PC mode which locks out most picture options.

I actually bought and returned two 2011 Samsung plasma models back in the day, the 64D7000 IIRC. Both sets that I tried buzzed loudly in my living room and I couldn't stand it. They had really nice picture quality but my living room was filled with the sound of a loudly buzzing florescent light so they went back.

In general I've seen all the worst aspects of plasmas and that's why I'm back on LCD even though the native motion resolution is pretty shitty. At least my X900A doesn't buzz, doesn't burn in while gaming, doesn't suck down power and heat my living room like a space heater, and as a bonus it's 4K. The passive 3D kicks ass on it too, active 3D just can't compare. I've been playing Tera lately because the expansion got released last week and it looks really amazing in 4K and runs pretty well too, it's an older MMO and so I'm able to push the resolution and graphics settings and still get a decent framerate in the 30's which is fine for an MMO.
 
No they do not. They might get image retention in extremely rare cases, but there's no burn-in because LCDs, have nothing to "burn". There's no phosphorus like on CRTs and Plasmas.


This is an LCD TV.

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As you say, it's less common now, but the technology is far from immune and it's simply naïve to say you shouldn't worry about treating your panel with care.
 
I bought a Vizio 60" 4k set about 2 weeks ago, the P602ui-B3, and it's amazing. Black levels are very impressive, and while the picture needs a lot of adjustment out of the box, once it's calibrated, it's fantastic. Gaming lag times are also pretty impressive, with several of the review sites measuring them between 13-16 milliseconds. I paid about 1,400 for it at Sam's Club, and while it's not that price anymore, it's running around 1,700 almost everywhere else. I love it...

Have you noticed any motion blur or judder on either the 4k streaming or 1080p conversion? I'm considering getting one my self and that's my biggest concern right now. Any negatives you have about the TV?
 
Did you see this in writing? Actually curious. It's pure speculation on the internet as far as I can tell. I've talked to a regional Sony TV manager and have been told it's only LG using IPS panels. LG proudly brags about its IPS panels in store display demo loops, Sony doesn't ever mention panels but the processing behind them.

Sony uses IPS panels from LG. You can tell which ones are IPS because they have passive 3D.
 
So umm, anyone know how different LG's model 32LB561V is from their 32LB560B? The former one is pretty much the only reasonably priced (<400e) 32in full HD TV they sell in Finland and it seems like a fine cheap choice, but I can't find anything on its input lag. It's gonna be also used as a secondary PC monitor so I really don't want anything with a massive lag.

My question was due to displaylag.com reporting a 30ms lag on the 560B, which I think is manageable.

Pretty sure there are some fantastic 39 to 42in choices even around, but they're way too big for my apartment

e: if someone, for whatever reason, happens to be wondering about this: the input lag is minimal. just got the tv and it works fantastically as a second monitor.
 
So I'm trying to help my parent's buy a TV. It won't be until February when they move into their house, but they need it wall mounted.

Their budget is $2400 including the wall mounts and installation. They want to go as big as possible and have a preference to Samsung and Vizeo brand. They don't care about it being 4k or 3d. I imagine that will give them a lot of room to get a much larger TV. They think they can only get a 65" max but I would imagine with that budget they could get larger.

They are also concerned about the installation. If they buy it off of Amazon how will they get it installed into the wall?
 
Next year is going to be interesting for Tvs... Interested to see how OLED shakes out. I would also like to see Sony do a 1080p set with triliminous display, extended dynamic range, but minus all the bloat like extra speakers and camera. Still not really interested in a 4K TV until a single graphics card can run that at 60fps. And then I'd still want to keep a 1080p TV around for consoles.
 
So I'm trying to help my parent's buy a TV. It won't be until February when they move into their house, but they need it wall mounted.

Their budget is $2400 including the wall mounts and installation. They want to go as big as possible and have a preference to Samsung and Vizeo brand. They don't care about it being 4k or 3d. I imagine that will give them a lot of room to get a much larger TV. They think they can only get a 65" max but I would imagine with that budget they could get larger.

They are also concerned about the installation. If they buy it off of Amazon how will they get it installed into the wall?

Hire a handyman that has exp mounting tvs, or do it yourself if you have a basic drill and the wall is not concrete or plaster. You can also hire a more retail service like Bestbuy Geeksquad, though that will cost more. Experienced guys can also setup custom cable routing in or on top of the wall so you don't have a bird nest.

Buy a SANUS brand mount. Those guys know their stuff and even have a phone number you can call for general guidance. It's VESA standard so all you need to make sure is that the TV can use a standard wall mount (most do). If your TV is huge you probably want a flat mount rather than a tilt one.
 
In-laws treated themselves to a Samsung UR40HU6900U. Is the TV meant to be any good? Are there any recommended calibration settings knocking round? Comparing it to my GT60 and the picture doesn't look too hot but I'm sure it could be a lot better with a few tweaks

Also, is there anywhere you can download some 4K content to put on a USB stick so they can see what it looks like? Is that even a possible thing? Is their an agreed file format for that yet? Does the TV even play stuff like that or are they limited to Netflix 4K for now if they want to see any 4K content?
 
Next year is going to be interesting for Tvs... Interested to see how OLED shakes out.

Until Samsung re-enters the market, there's only one supplier of OLED panels. And that supplier is LG.

I would also like to see Sony do a 1080p set with triliminous display, extended dynamic range, but minus all the bloat like extra speakers and camera.

The W950B already did all this. And um all TVs come with speakers, but the rather large side speakers that Sony mounts on their top-shelf models are way better than the usual tiny speakers on big TVs. They aren't bloat, they are there for a reason.

Still not really interested in a 4K TV until a single graphics card can run that at 60fps.

Hello friend, have you heard the good news about the GTX 980 lately? There is a single card which can run all games at 4K/60fps today, and most games can even be maxed out doing it. Others will do 60fps with reduced settings just fine. I'm actually gaming in 4K on my TV using an OCed GTX 970, there's no better value in PC gaming right now than an OCed 970 and I have no issues with my framerates, though I'm not one of those people who demands locked 60fps in every game I play ever.

And then I'd still want to keep a 1080p TV around for consoles.

Perhaps you are not aware of this incredible feature that TVs have called scaling which makes it possible to display content at a lower resolution on a higher resolution TV.
 
So I got a 40 inch e-series Vizio from amazon for Christmas, and it has a stuck pixel. At first I thought it was dead, because it's dark, but then I noticed that it had a pinkinsh hue, and if you look at it through a camera it is red. Should I just run one of those flashing color videos for an hour or two? Do those ever work?

And if I can't fix it, will Amazon replace it for something like that?
 
Until Samsung re-enters the market, there's only one supplier of OLED panels. And that supplier is LG.



The W950B already did all this. And um all TVs come with speakers, but the rather large side speakers that Sony mounts on their top-shelf models are way better than the usual tiny speakers on big TVs. They aren't bloat, they are there for a reason.



Hello friend, have you heard the good news about the GTX 980 lately? There is a single card which can run all games at 4K/60fps today, and most games can even be maxed out doing it. Others will do 60fps with reduced settings just fine. I'm actually gaming in 4K on my TV using an OCed GTX 970, there's no better value in PC gaming right now than an OCed 970 and I have no issues with my framerates, though I'm not one of those people who demands locked 60fps in every game I play ever.



Perhaps you are not aware of this incredible feature that TVs have called scaling which makes it possible to display content at a lower resolution on a higher resolution TV.

Stop. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Need advice for my dad.

He wants a new TV and wants the best possible TV he can get in the 2k-2.5k range at 65".

I've done a little on this and have narrowed it down to 4 sets.

2 1080p:
Sam UN65F8000 2013 model $2,300
Sam UN65H7150 2014 model (apparently missing some things from the last year model b/c they were moved to the higher end sets (4k/curved/etc) $1,800

2 4k:
Sony XBR65X850B $2,600
Sam UN65HU8550 $2,500

Anyone have any advice?

I have no experience with 4k. He will watch sports, blu ray movies/tv shows and use netflix. I don't really think he will need 4k. (This is probably the last TV he will ever buy).
 
Damnit.

So two weeks ago, I go to Futureshop, and they have an opened Panasonic VT60 on clearance for $900. It normally runs for about $3000, I think.

At the time I going back and forth on it, but ultimately decided 'nah, my VT25 still looks great and in a few years 4K TVs might be high-quality enough, and there might be enough content available, to partake in the resolution revolution'.

Fast forward two weeks, and my trusty VT25 is starting to show some burn-in from the Destiny HUD (bottom left corner). It's really faint, and not one of my friends who don't know exactly what to look for can see it, but I can and it's bugging the hell out of me.

So now I'm out of town on a quick jaunt to see family in Calgary for xmas, and I'm:

1) Left praying that people don't notice that TV, or want a Panny plasma cause plasma is on the way out and 4K is the new hotness.

2) Left deciding whether to jump in on a plasma TV now to serve as a 2-3 year bridge to whenever 4K hits its stride, or just try and deal with the annoyance of barely-there burn-in for those 2-3 years.

Merry Xmas/Boxing Day BTW, everybody!
 
Picked up the Sony KDL55W700B at best buy today.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for some good settings/calibration?

Directv can use some help. Xbox One looks and runs great. Popping in a blu ray now and will test out the PS4 but am sure it will look awesome.

Thanks!
 
Picked up the Sony KDL55W700B at best buy today.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for some good settings/calibration?

Directv can use some help. Xbox One looks and runs great. Popping in a blu ray now and will test out the PS4 but am sure it will look awesome.

Thanks!

AVS Forums have a lot of good calibration threads and resources.
 
Can anyone recommend a new hdtv in the $ 100-200 price range with little display lag (720p-1080p)? And what is better LED, OLED, or LCD for longevity?
 
I saw an OLED set at Best Buy today. Looks promising but it's not quite there yet. Great blacks and the colors popped but the IQ looked sketchy to me. And it's $3500 for a 60 inch. Can't wait until they start to come into their own in 3 or 4 years. I'll definitley be ready for an upgrade by then.
 
Replaced my 40 inch Vizio e-series that had a couple dead pixels. The new one doesn't have any that I can see. Looks great for a $375 TV. The only issue it has is that when the screen goes black, the backlight is uneven. Is this a common issue? It's not a huge deal since I don't see it when anything is on the screen.

EDIT: I turned on the "active LED Zones" setting on the TV, and I think it's stopped doing it. At least, I didn't see it when the screen went black during the Advanced Warfare splash screens. Weird.

Oh ok, so it's still happening, but only when the screen is blank, if that makes any sense. When it is displaying all black, it looks fine, but when it's blank, there are 4 or 5 white sploches on it that are brighter than the rest. Obviously though, I don't notice when I'm watching or playing anything, so it's not really a huge deal I'd imagine.
 
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Here's a picture of my new TVs backlight bleed. Is this about normal? It's a little hard to see in this picture. You can only really see it when the screen is black, so I figure I should just deal with it, right? I already exchanged it once, really don't want to do it again.

FIXED IT. I changed my display setting from the "game" preset to the "standard" present, and all the clouding is gone for the most part. The backlight is turned down, but it's fine.

edit: nope, I'm exchanging it again. This isn't normal backlight bleed around the edges, this is big sploches in the middle of the screen. Not normal. I'm hoping that the 3rd TV is the charm. Do you guys usually have to exchange TVs a couple times to get a good one, or am I just having bad luck.
 
Until Samsung re-enters the market, there's only one supplier of OLED panels. And that supplier is LG.

The W950B already did all this. And um all TVs come with speakers, but the rather large side speakers that Sony mounts on their top-shelf models are way better than the usual tiny speakers on big TVs. They aren't bloat, they are there for a reason.

Hello friend, have you heard the good news about the GTX 980 lately? There is a single card which can run all games at 4K/60fps today, and most games can even be maxed out doing it. Others will do 60fps with reduced settings just fine. I'm actually gaming in 4K on my TV using an OCed GTX 970, there's no better value in PC gaming right now than an OCed 970 and I have no issues with my framerates, though I'm not one of those people who demands locked 60fps in every game I play ever.

Perhaps you are not aware of this incredible feature that TVs have called scaling which makes it possible to display content at a lower resolution on a higher resolution TV.

The 950B is full of bloat, but I suppose that is opinion. Why would I need extra speakers in the TV when I'm just hooking it up to a sound system anyways? And don't get me startred on that camera.

The GTX 980 can't do 4k 60fps. Hell the GTX 970 has multiple games where it cant do 1080p 60fps.

Scaling sucks, I wouldn't want to see a 720p game being drawn out to 4k.

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edit: nope, I'm exchanging it again. This isn't normal backlight bleed around the edges, this is big sploches in the middle of the screen. Not normal. I'm hoping that the 3rd TV is the charm. Do you guys usually have to exchange TVs a couple times to get a good one, or am I just having bad luck.

That's about normal. Most TVs have this, even expensive ones.
 
I'm finally looking into getting a TV and I am looking to spend under 1100 on it. This TV caught my eye (Sony KDL50W800B 50-Inch). I was wondering if I should go for the 55 inch or I should be looking at something else completely. I am not interested in getting a Samsung. Everyone single person I know with their more recent models has dealt with some level of frustration with it. I will primarily be using the TV for gaming.
 
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