mmazurkiewicz
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QD has the colors but not the contrast which is the most important thing.
QD still has lcd contrast and that'll never change.
Same thing for response time. Self emissive > lcd.
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QD has the colors but not the contrast which is the most important thing.
QD still has lcd contrast and that'll never change.
Same thing for response time. Self emissive > lcd.
I'll PM you my ISF calibration settings.
Thank you
Mad Season
Banned
I was going to get the sony kdl50w700b but it doesn't have a game mode. Why not?
I heard it uses a AUO VA panel?
I wouldn't mind trying out those settings myself, still haven't been able to find some to my liking yet haha
Had some time tonight to test my 950B in a dark room.
I've figured out why the screen uniformity and picture is so bad on the review kits: they calibrated it to ISF standards. So right out the box this TV has super punchy colors, good black levels, and amazing whites. But I immediately calibrated it to as close to ISF standards as I could myself, while watching a movie I was thinking my god this picture is awful. Set my 700B right up next to it to watch the same thing and sure enough the 700B picture was deeper at night.
My friend who is a Sony rep always told me you shouldn't calibrate flagship Sony TVs like the 950B. I always thought he was being too much of a shill for Sony and ignored. But you know what, he's right. So I reset the TV completely, put it into game mode to get 4:4:4 chroma support, put it on warm 1. Then turned on stuff I usually always have off.: Black Corrector, Adv. Contrast Enhancer, LED Dynamic Control, Live color, detail enhancer, and edge enhancer. Now comparing it to my 700B it's above and beyond. I do understand why Sony went with a IPS panel on this set: it's got great colors, bright whites, and great viewing angles (a previous ding against the last 900a, which I think is one of the best sony Tvs made). It's got terrible black levels but that's when software can take over and sort that out. Dunno, thought it was interesting.
I've figured out why the screen uniformity and picture is so bad on the review kits: they calibrated it to ISF standards. So right out the box this TV has super punchy colors, good black levels, and amazing whites. But I immediately calibrated it to as close to ISF standards as I could myself, while watching a movie I was thinking my god this picture is awful. Set my 700B right up next to it to watch the same thing and sure enough the 700B picture was deeper at night.
My friend who is a Sony rep always told me you shouldn't calibrate flagship Sony TVs like the 950B. I always thought he was being too much of a shill for Sony and ignored. But you know what, he's right. So I reset the TV completely, put it into game mode to get 4:4:4 chroma support, put it on warm 1. Then turned on stuff I usually always have off.: Black Corrector, Adv. Contrast Enhancer, LED Dynamic Control, Live color, detail enhancer, and edge enhancer. Now comparing it to my 700B it's above and beyond. I do understand why Sony went with a IPS panel on this set: it's got great colors, bright whites, and great viewing angles (a previous ding against the last 900a, which I think is one of the best sony Tvs made). It's got terrible black levels but that's when software can take over and sort that out. Dunno, thought it was interesting.
mickcenary
Member
Hmm. Would really love some confirmation on whether the 55" version of the W800B has an IPS or AUO VA panel. That'd be the clincher for me.
mickcenary
Member
Close up of 800B pixels, it is not an IPS
Ah, awesome. Cheers, hitgirl.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
buckeye13 that is true, I walked out of Best Buy feeling like I stole something when I bought my 50 inch W700B. I got it around Christmas and the price was 699 at that time. I won't be buying another tv until lke 2020, hopefully by then 4K is more matured and mainstream.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
yes it does have game mode lol, in the scene select settings game mode is at the bottom.
Mad Season
Banned
Weird I scrolled through vivid, cinema etc and it never came up
If you checked in a store, its possible that the store mode may not have these settings. But i promise, you select options, scene select, and there are probably 12 presets, including game mode.
Actually how about just the sony one? I can't seem to find any details on whether it has motion blur or input lag issues and those are the most important things to me.
I have also been looking at either the sony w600b or the w700b, are there any real differences between those two?
Close up of 800B pixels, it is not an IPS
Nope, that's a VA panel.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
One thing I wish I could do on my TV is use skype without having to buy the camera. I would much rather just use the voice and text chat functions. I have the camera for the PS4 but its not compatible with the Bravia TVs.
I'm liking the Vizio P Series
60" P602ui-B3
65" P652ui-B2
Review http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/vizio-p652ui-b2-p-series-4k-led-tv-review
I have the 55" I really enjoy it.
I almost got the 65 inch one last night. They only had an open box version though. We're not moving in for a few more weeks and didn't want it sitting in bubble wrap that whole time. They have a 5 year geek squad protection which included them mounting it on our wall, but it was 800 dollars.
Your 55" has the IPS panel.
I was looking at the 50" model but learned it uses the VA panel.
psychotron
Member
I'm seconds away from pulling the trigger on the 65". I've been a Panny plasma guy for years, so I'm nervous as hell. If the blacks are deep and uniform, that'll be a big plus for me. The incredibly low input lag in game mode is a big seller for me too. I guess I have nothing to worry about because Amazon will take it back no questions asked if I think it sucks.
I'm sort of in the market for a new TV at the moment.
Living in a VERY small room, I have been playing my PS4 on a 21'' monitor that is sitting on a desk in front of me up until now. Watching shows etc. is all happening on my laptop or phone.
Unfortunately, this whole situation hasn't been quite cozy enough for me lately, so I've been looking into TVs lately. I'd be using the TV primarily for playing my PS4, but I would also like to hook a Chromecast up to it to watch whatever I'm watching on my phone on the big screen. Also, if there isn't a smarter solution, I would hook up my laptop via HDMI to watch some things I can only acces from there on the TV.
It would be favorable if the TV had a DVB-T tuner as well, but that's mostly standard now anyways.
Because gaming performance is most important to me, I have narrowed down my search to a TV from this list: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
I hit up the first listing on Amazon, and am now wondering if I should just buy one if the listed TVs.
4k isn't important to me at all right now, but who knows what'll come in the next few years. Of course I am looking to keep this TV for a long time.
I also thought about waiting until the new Sony Android TVs hit (build-in ChromeCast, I hate s´"SmartTV" interfaces) and get one of those, though no one can know how these will perform input lag wise.
I am also worried about the size. Right now, I would put the TV right at the end of my bed, so I would sit pretty much exactly 2m away from it.
When I was at my family's house over the holidays and brought my PS4, the 46'' TV 3m away was a bit too small for me, although not by a lot.
Therefor, I figure I should get a 42'' TV, which the Sony one from hdtvtest.co.uk is.
Basically, it comes down to this:
Recommend me a TV that is 42'', can be bought in Germany and has very low input lag.
Or:
Is the Sony KDL42W705 any good?
Thanks a lot!
Living in a VERY small room, I have been playing my PS4 on a 21'' monitor that is sitting on a desk in front of me up until now. Watching shows etc. is all happening on my laptop or phone.
Unfortunately, this whole situation hasn't been quite cozy enough for me lately, so I've been looking into TVs lately. I'd be using the TV primarily for playing my PS4, but I would also like to hook a Chromecast up to it to watch whatever I'm watching on my phone on the big screen. Also, if there isn't a smarter solution, I would hook up my laptop via HDMI to watch some things I can only acces from there on the TV.
It would be favorable if the TV had a DVB-T tuner as well, but that's mostly standard now anyways.
Because gaming performance is most important to me, I have narrowed down my search to a TV from this list: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
I hit up the first listing on Amazon, and am now wondering if I should just buy one if the listed TVs.
4k isn't important to me at all right now, but who knows what'll come in the next few years. Of course I am looking to keep this TV for a long time.
I also thought about waiting until the new Sony Android TVs hit (build-in ChromeCast, I hate s´"SmartTV" interfaces) and get one of those, though no one can know how these will perform input lag wise.
I am also worried about the size. Right now, I would put the TV right at the end of my bed, so I would sit pretty much exactly 2m away from it.
When I was at my family's house over the holidays and brought my PS4, the 46'' TV 3m away was a bit too small for me, although not by a lot.
Therefor, I figure I should get a 42'' TV, which the Sony one from hdtvtest.co.uk is.
Basically, it comes down to this:
Recommend me a TV that is 42'', can be bought in Germany and has very low input lag.
Or:
Is the Sony KDL42W705 any good?
Thanks a lot!
Zantetsuken
Member
So my dad wants me to pick out a 4K tv for each of us ( I know I'm a lucky guy). I don't care about 3D, are the Sony panels better on the 850B vs 800B (800 has no 3D but I read something about colors being better on 850)?
Or is the Samsung HU8550 the better option?
I've also seen the upcoming 850C may have better motion blur, should I wait it out (not sure that's an option dad wants this by next week)?
Or is the Samsung HU8550 the better option?
I've also seen the upcoming 850C may have better motion blur, should I wait it out (not sure that's an option dad wants this by next week)?
littlepooch21
Member
I just got the Vizio P-series in a 50 inch from Walmart for $700 and it's a great tv. I also own a Samsung 55 HU9000 4k too. Now the Sammy is a better tv, but for the price the Vizio is sweet. I wish I had checked out the Vizio prior to my Sammy purchase. I probably would have just got a 60 or 70 inch for way less than the Sammy. I'm kicking myself right now lol.
So I'm finally ready to replace my Pioneer KRP-500M plasma. Looking at the TVs out now, I'm leaning towards a 55" 4K LCD, as plasma is gone from the market. I guess I'm considering the XBR55X800B/XBR55X850B, as well as the LG 55UB8500 and the Samsung models in the $1.5-2k range. Does anyone have any recommendations? Coming from a Kuro, I want low input lag and high contrast. The bulk of this TV's usage will be gaming.
800 is a piece of shit. 850 has triluminous.
If you like the Vizio P-series 50" from Walmart don't read further..
P502ui-B1E is a Walmart exclusive model with lower spec.
P502ui-B1E 60hz native(120Hz Effective Rate) and 8-bit color
Vs
P502ui-B1 120hz native(240Hz Effective Rate) and 10-bit color
I know, IPS works better for my living room because my room is bright and needs the wider angels.
The only difference is the refresh rate from what I've read on AVS. It's still 10-bit like all the rest.
Walmart brand has a $400 price difference than the original.. there has to be more than just refresh rate.
I read on AVS that some dude got his exchange over false advertisement..
On Vizio website they show the Walmart brand featuring specs that only the original can do.. Its like walmart called them at the last moment to make them a cheaper model and Vizio forgot to update the website.
It should only be $50 cheaper as far as MSRP. Vizio itself has them listed as a $50 difference. Sales are all over the place with these tv's. I paid $999 for my 55" 2 weeks ago, and it's now back up to $1250.
If refresh rate is the only difference I'd buy one too.. Its not like we will see 120hz on 4k anytime soon. 120hz would be cool at 1080p but that's not why you buy a 4k tv for.
I got a 4k 30hz tv now and its horrible for gaming horrible!!!
This review says a rep from Vizio told him the differences between the two models( P502ui-B1 and P502ui-B1E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMTkUrZkp8
B1 vs B1E
1. 240hz vs 480hz Effective Refresh Rate. Native 120hz vs 60hz
2. 960 vs 480 Clear Action.
3. 8ms vs 9.5ms Response Time.
4. 1.07 billion vs 16.7 million. This is where people are getting the 10-bit vs 8-bit color depth from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMTkUrZkp8
B1 vs B1E
1. 240hz vs 480hz Effective Refresh Rate. Native 120hz vs 60hz
2. 960 vs 480 Clear Action.
3. 8ms vs 9.5ms Response Time.
4. 1.07 billion vs 16.7 million. This is where people are getting the 10-bit vs 8-bit color depth from.
FrankNitty
Member
So I picked up a 2nd 4K display. This time it is the Panasonic TC-65AX800U, to accompany my Sony XBR-65X900B. I have to say honestly the Panasonic is proving to be a much better display.
0 light bleed, better color saturation, shadow detail and blacks on par with the Sony. The only downside really is the sony has better uniformity, but you cannot see teh uniformity issues on actual content only on certain IRE full color images. Mainly 10, 20, and some on 30. Where you could only see it on the sony in the 10 and 20 range. The Sony also has clouding, where this doesn't.
Overall pretty happy with it and it calibrates up real nice also. Really missed that 10pt control when I calibrated the sony. But I will admit for only have 2 point and no real CMS the sony did calibrate up pretty nicely.
0 light bleed, better color saturation, shadow detail and blacks on par with the Sony. The only downside really is the sony has better uniformity, but you cannot see teh uniformity issues on actual content only on certain IRE full color images. Mainly 10, 20, and some on 30. Where you could only see it on the sony in the 10 and 20 range. The Sony also has clouding, where this doesn't.
Overall pretty happy with it and it calibrates up real nice also. Really missed that 10pt control when I calibrated the sony. But I will admit for only have 2 point and no real CMS the sony did calibrate up pretty nicely.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Speaking of tv stands, does anyone have an idea as to what model is used either of these pics:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=511145&d=1422587617
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/ptwalker/wilson benesch/IMG_3028-1.jpg
or a recommendation on something extremely similar?
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=511145&d=1422587617
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/ptwalker/wilson benesch/IMG_3028-1.jpg
or a recommendation on something extremely similar?
Pagusas
Elden Member
those both look like Ikea stands to me.
So I picked up a 2nd 4K display. This time it is the Panasonic TC-65AX800U, to accompany my Sony XBR-65X900B. I have to say honestly the Panasonic is proving to be a much better display.
0 light bleed, better color saturation, shadow detail and blacks on par with the Sony. The only downside really is the sony has better uniformity, but you cannot see teh uniformity issues on actual content only on certain IRE full color images. Mainly 10, 20, and some on 30. Where you could only see it on the sony in the 10 and 20 range. The Sony also has clouding, where this doesn't.
Overall pretty happy with it and it calibrates up real nice also. Really missed that 10pt control when I calibrated the sony. But I will admit for only have 2 point and no real CMS the sony did calibrate up pretty nicely.
I really really love there 65" 4k screen, but its just too small for the room we have in the new house. The 85" is always showing as unavailable on the website, did they just stop making any tv's bigger than 65"?
littlepooch21
Member
yeah i know there are differences, but i still like the B1E. it was a great price. now if i decide to get a bigger tv of course i will get the B1 model.
Just wait for this years M model. It'll be cheaper then the P's are now.
http://www.cnet.com/news/vizio-2015-m-series-tv-prices-leaked-4k-for-less-pay/
Winnie the Pimp
Member
Guys, i need some help as a (somewhat) TV noob and wanting to install a home cinema in our little room.
I believe it's too small (3.5 m X 3.9 m) for a projector so i wanna go with a TV instead!
So without wanting to research for hours on end, can you guys give me the skinny on this?
1) What size and resolution of TV is generally recommended for a viewing distance of 3 m?
2) What is up with those curved TVs i see everywhere? Is that a fad like 3D kinda was or do they really have an advantage and does not the viewing angle become WORSE for people that sit a little to the outside and do not look STRAIGHT at it?
My budget is up to 5.000 dollars but preferably a little less since i also have to get seating and a sound system later.
I believe it's too small (3.5 m X 3.9 m) for a projector so i wanna go with a TV instead!
So without wanting to research for hours on end, can you guys give me the skinny on this?
1) What size and resolution of TV is generally recommended for a viewing distance of 3 m?
2) What is up with those curved TVs i see everywhere? Is that a fad like 3D kinda was or do they really have an advantage and does not the viewing angle become WORSE for people that sit a little to the outside and do not look STRAIGHT at it?
My budget is up to 5.000 dollars but preferably a little less since i also have to get seating and a sound system later.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
not in NC but I am interested in knowing how much you are selling it for. Also gaf has a buy sell trade thread you may want to look into.
Review of the new Samsung flagship TV is out: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65js9500-201502234012.htm
Apparently supports 4:4:4/60 Hz *with* HDCP 2.2
Only 21ms input lag
FALD backlighting
I'm glad to see Samsung making a serious improvement in the input lag department, pretty much every manufacture last year was at 40ms or above aside from Vizio.
Apparently supports 4:4:4/60 Hz *with* HDCP 2.2
Only 21ms input lag
FALD backlighting
I'm glad to see Samsung making a serious improvement in the input lag department, pretty much every manufacture last year was at 40ms or above aside from Vizio.