FlammableD
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Are any reviews of the Sony Android TV's out yet? I saw an APK leak out the other day.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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theSlacker
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Yeah I realized it was a more expensive set, but it wasn't cost that made me pick the one I did a year ago. It was a combination of screen quality, input lag, and size. Was very specific with my choice and this one is just unknown to me in a number of those specs. Much of the extra cost I'm sure comes from it being 4k, which is something that I don't care about, and by the time I do it will be when I planed on getting a new tv anyway.
So yeah, just don't know what to do about this.
Yea, I'd feel the same way. That 4k has way more the input lag, double to tripple. I'd call up sony and ask for the same model. It's weird but the W800B didn't last for long in it's life cycle, wasn't it a 2014 model? I feel like it was unavailable or no where to be seen by August. While the W850B were still around, which I think is a good TV aswell.
Yea, w800 all gone and have been for a long while. Meant to say the w850s still seem to be around, the wedge ones.
theSlacker
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Does it? I can't find any tests of it. Shit's frustrating and making me want to just buy that tester thing.
Also I see w800b and w850b units still listed on amazon. No x850b from amazon itself, but they do have the one I just received, the x800b.
I really need a new tv. I have been using a shitty 36in vizio for a long time and my PS4 deserves better.
This is kinda what I have been look at for price range + size.
around 1400$
50in +
240 hz
Amazon TV Search
this sharp one Sharp LC-60EQ10U 60-inch Aquos Q 1080p 240Hz Smart LED TV seems to be a good deal. Does anyone have any experience with it?
The only issue is that it shows up as Rating okay on display lag.
2014 60" Sharp LC-60EQ10U 1080p 240hz LED HDTV AVG 58ms Okay
Any other words of advice for me?
This is kinda what I have been look at for price range + size.
around 1400$
50in +
240 hz
Amazon TV Search
this sharp one Sharp LC-60EQ10U 60-inch Aquos Q 1080p 240Hz Smart LED TV seems to be a good deal. Does anyone have any experience with it?
The only issue is that it shows up as Rating okay on display lag.
2014 60" Sharp LC-60EQ10U 1080p 240hz LED HDTV AVG 58ms Okay
Any other words of advice for me?
Can't speak to that option, but why 240 (actually 120)Hz? Unless you're planning to use it as a PC monitor I'm not sure it would serve you better for gaming.
Edit: Maybe it is 240 actual rather than effective? I wasn't aware TVs actually got that high and I'm skeptical it's of any benefit.
I do occasionally use my current tv with my PC. Mostly to play local multiplayer games from steam.
I am going to head to costco today and see if I can find any deals there.
Ran Echelon
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I'm thinking of buying a Sony kdl42w705b before they go out of stock. Still a good choice for the money?
KnockOneOff
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I would recommend everyone buying the more expensive versions of TVs
I own a £300 50" LG and a £800 50" Samsung and the quality between them is next to none.
Every game/movies looks so much more clearer, richer colours and graphics look better
Never go for the cheap option for a main gaming TV
I own a £300 50" LG and a £800 50" Samsung and the quality between them is next to none.
Every game/movies looks so much more clearer, richer colours and graphics look better
Never go for the cheap option for a main gaming TV
I must have lucked out. I got one just under two weeks ago from Best Buy. When I go back to check now, they no longer have it listed.
I'm looking to buy a TV this weekend. Any suggestions for a ~$600-800 CAD TV that is good for gaming and easy-ish to find? I know the W800B is good, but it seems it might be hard to track down.
All I can find is the W800C, but I can't find any info about it.
Why is buying a TV so annoying. Especially in Canada.
All I can find is the W800C, but I can't find any info about it.
Why is buying a TV so annoying. Especially in Canada.
Major difference being that the 930 is edge-lit, and the 940 is full array local dimming (FALD). Whether that is worth the difference in price? I don't know. I never seen it in person.
I wish the 940 was available in a 65" format. 75 is too big for me.
In the market for a new TV and I'm wondering one thing; what does 1080p look like on 4k TVs? Typically running a tv at a lower-than-native resolution causes some pretty bad blurring. Can anyone describe to be what it's like playing console games on their console? Is any blur even noticeable?
Full-array local dimming on the 940C. That is a night and day difference in LED TVs.
That said, the 930C looks fantastic. Comparing it to last years B models, it leans more towards the 950B than the 900B it replaces. It's that good looking for an edge lit TV, which makes me think the 940C is going to look outrageous in a good way.
Just waiting on seeing the 940C show up next month and take it from there which set i'm buying. Will be one of those two. Considering that the 930C gives the JS9500 a run for it's money, I scratched all Samsungs off my list. Unless something goes horribly wrong with the 940C, it will at least match the 9500 in PQ. Samsung may have the edge in certain specs on paper, but once again, in implementation, they fall short. Not to mention the new silver trim on their top models makes the TV look like a kitchen aid mixer instead of a TV.
exmachina64
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Do we know if there will be a second generation P series from Vizio this year?
theSlacker
Member
Is there any site that has reviews or info on this years models yet? Still trying to decide on what to do about the TV replacement that Sony sent me.
DangerMouse
Member
Couldn't afford anything higher like the upcoming X930C or X940C mentioned above which should be even better, but so far on my new X850C 1080p stuff looks fantastic upscaled to the 4K screen. Both games and blu-rays, and the motion handling is really good on this TV.
Last year's X850B that I was also looking at due to the sale price was supposed to be great at 1080p upscaling too and as such I imagine the higher and upcoming higher models should be as well since some of them have even better tech than this one.
Dr. Feel Good
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How do people feel about these? Looking for 65 inch 4K TV around $2,000...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QTDTVOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KJEZIBS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QTDTVOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KJEZIBS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Militaratus
Member
I use Sony' KDL-42W829B. I like it despite the ridiculous high 8ms input lag.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Ah, missed that review. I wish Rtings had a blog or something to follow. Dissapointed in the input lag on that TV, what happened to Sony's initiative for lowering input lag. High input lag, no HDR support, no 4K @ 60hrz support. That's a hard sell, but I guess it got a big price drop? The original ticket on it was $2,500 when it just came in, now it's showing $1,500.
The input lag numbers are extremely disappointing after last year's models, even a lot of the 2015 Vizio and Samsung sets have moderate-significantly lower lag.
A lot of the 2014-2015 Sony 4K sets are on sale at BB, Amazon, etc. but only for a little while. I read that the prices will go back up in a couple of weeks.
Welp I was hoping to stay out of this thread until OLED's came down in price a bit but unfortunately my several years old Samsung Plasma decided it no longer wants to turn on.
it just clicks and clicks and doesnt turn on.
Seems like this was a common problem and may or may not mean it can be fixed.
In any case I may need to buy a new TV. What is currently the best 60-70in TV for movies and gaming? Sony seems to be popular but I am not up to date on models.
I was looking at viz. as a 2 year stop gap before OLED becomes more feasible price wise. But I here quality control is an issue.
it just clicks and clicks and doesnt turn on.
Seems like this was a common problem and may or may not mean it can be fixed.
In any case I may need to buy a new TV. What is currently the best 60-70in TV for movies and gaming? Sony seems to be popular but I am not up to date on models.
I was looking at viz. as a 2 year stop gap before OLED becomes more feasible price wise. But I here quality control is an issue.
I recently purchased an oled (posted pictures in the gaming setup thread) and it's hands down the best gaming display I've used.
The contrast really makes games pop off the screen. Coming from a VT60 minor issues are slightly more input lag, and horrible near black uniformity, dark shades of grey look like garbage. Also the motion blur (even on 60fps games) is a little annoying.
But aside from that everything else looks incredible, plus unlike a plasma the oled looks great in bright light, and in a pitch black room the image looks like it's floating in mid air. Honestly on say a black loading screen (with a few coloured images) in a dark room the effect is amazing.
The glow to the blacks on the VT60 was obvious (due to the pre-charge). I've owned high end lcd tvs and the backlight bleed, and horrible blacks in a dark room are deal breakers.
I alos don't have to suffer with buzzing, line bleed, false contouring, dithering and extreme heat output my Panasonic plasma suffered from.
The contrast really makes games pop off the screen. Coming from a VT60 minor issues are slightly more input lag, and horrible near black uniformity, dark shades of grey look like garbage. Also the motion blur (even on 60fps games) is a little annoying.
But aside from that everything else looks incredible, plus unlike a plasma the oled looks great in bright light, and in a pitch black room the image looks like it's floating in mid air. Honestly on say a black loading screen (with a few coloured images) in a dark room the effect is amazing.
The glow to the blacks on the VT60 was obvious (due to the pre-charge). I've owned high end lcd tvs and the backlight bleed, and horrible blacks in a dark room are deal breakers.
I alos don't have to suffer with buzzing, line bleed, false contouring, dithering and extreme heat output my Panasonic plasma suffered from.
DangerMouse
Member
It does have 4K@60hrz support. But yeah, no HDR.
Also, regarding their review I think their review score got hung up on their opinion of the 720p (and lower) upscaling too much, which isn't as important, especially going forward IMO compared to 1080p upscaling. And with a decent source it does 720p fine I think. The excellent 1080p upscaling is much more important IMO, and that got a 9 but they only gave the TV a 7.7 for upscaling.
Yea, I agree. After reading the review, the final score seems a bit low for their impressions. Although that is their opinion, so I'll respect that.
Cool, thanks for this. Think I'm in on the 940C given that we're now 10'+ back from the TV so it won't be wasted.
Alright so I have decided I will get a holdover TV til OLED prices come down.
I am currently undecided about the Vizio E60-c3 for $799 or the E65-c2 for $899.
I am not sure if the slight uptick in uniformity for the 2015 C3 model is worth sacrificing the extra size.
I searched and a number of people seem happy with their E-series but I am looking for opinions or even possible alternatives I may have missed.
I am currently undecided about the Vizio E60-c3 for $799 or the E65-c2 for $899.
I am not sure if the slight uptick in uniformity for the 2015 C3 model is worth sacrificing the extra size.
I searched and a number of people seem happy with their E-series but I am looking for opinions or even possible alternatives I may have missed.
Review of the Sony 50W800C is up: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800c
dat 37.4ms input lag
dat 37.4ms input lag
theSlacker
Member
Review of the Sony 50W800C is up: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800c
dat 37.4ms input lag
Wish they would go back and rate the upscaling of the previous models as well. It also looks like they are giving more details on things like the black and grey uniformity as well. Course stuff like that varies set to set.
FlammableD
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I've never really worried about/noticed input lag before, but I was eyeing up one of those for the Android TV. I'm upgrading from a Samsung UE32EH5000, which seems to have about 30ms from Googling around? Is it something I'm likely to notice? 37's still pretty good right?
DisplayLag Database labels anything below 20 as Excellent, and anything above as Great.
So 20-40 would be "Great". I think you should be fine with that to be honest.
About OLED. Is the life expectancy from these TVs really that much lower compared to LED? I don't know if I want to get into this thing knowing that it is considered acceptable for these panels to only last 5 years. I guess it depends on daily use, but that's just a little ridiculous compared to their price, to me anyway.
Is input lag still an issue? I bought a samsung plasma in 2010 and looking to replace it. I had two bad experiences with Samsung sets so I'm unsure if I want to go down that path again.
Budget is $800-$1400. I was looking to a 1080p TV but was surprised at the prices at the 4k. Is it wrong to assume that most TVs available now would be superior to the picture quality of mine?
Budget is $800-$1400. I was looking to a 1080p TV but was surprised at the prices at the 4k. Is it wrong to assume that most TVs available now would be superior to the picture quality of mine?
theSlacker
Member
I tend to think about input lag on tv monitors in frames delayed. If you are playing a 60fps game then 16-17ms (16.67ms) is a frame of delay. At 30fps 33-34ms (33.33ms) is a frame of delay. That 33-34ms is 2 frames of delay at 60fps.
There are a couple of things you have to keep in mind about this as well. It is incredibly hard to notice that small of an amount of input lag unless you are use to playing twitch games with no input lag. 33-34ms is 1/30th of a second after all. It would surprise me if people that are use to just playing on standard modern TV not in game mode were able to notice a difference between 30ms of input lag and 60ms of input lag without having gotten use to the lower numbers. Also got to remember that all these input lag figures are measured from whatever mode has the lowest input lag for that tv, which always has all the extra image processing stuff turned off for that lower number. The standard mode is likely over 100ms. Lastly there are other things that add additional input lag as well. Everything from the tv upscaling content to wireless Bluetooth can add additional ms of input lag.
Hope that helped your choice and didn't just add a bunch of useless info to your brain.
At this stage no one really knows the life expectancy of the Oled panels used in TVs. Manufacturers have given figures that are similar to first gen plasmas.
You can't measure display life in terms of years, it's going to be dependant on "hours". If hypothetically you watch TV for 4hours a day, that will be 1,460 hours a year, after 5 years that would be 7,300 hours. Now short of manufacturing defects that can come into play at any point, as they can with any peice of technology. I'd say it's safe to assume that the Oled panel will last that long with no issues. Even if you watched 8hours a day for 365 days a year, over 5 years your panel would only have 14,600 hours on it, and 8 hours a day every day is a lot of usage,
For me TVs are disposable and I tend to change them every year so life time isn't a concern to be fair. Mine has over 300 hours on it and the picture looks stunning. I suffered from image retention initially but that's died down drastically as the hours have increased.
I got my PS4 hooked up to my ASUS VG248QE to play some Witcher 3 and I am having huge problem with the color display.
The trade menu's background color looks all messy (it's like there is not enough color to display it and gets splotchy). In game play there are some slight color artifact too on character models (I noticed it on Geralt's chest belts where there are spots of color artifacts)
though in general, the gameplay seems to be 99.9% functional for the colors..I saw a slight dithering on the edge of a shadow but I don't if that's by the game or the LCD.
Anyone use this LCD with PS4 that may know solution to this? I use game mode..any other modes has similiar or same issue.
The trade menu's background color looks all messy (it's like there is not enough color to display it and gets splotchy). In game play there are some slight color artifact too on character models (I noticed it on Geralt's chest belts where there are spots of color artifacts)
though in general, the gameplay seems to be 99.9% functional for the colors..I saw a slight dithering on the edge of a shadow but I don't if that's by the game or the LCD.
Anyone use this LCD with PS4 that may know solution to this? I use game mode..any other modes has similiar or same issue.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's new technology. No one knows how long it will really last. No consumer OLED TV panel has actually existed for 5 years yet, so I guess early adopters will find out when they find out. That's just how it is when you beta test new technology for corporations. It's too bad you have to pay for the privilege.
I agree with you guys. I was just a little worried reading these reports about it. I understand all TVs wear down, but with the price OLED TV's cost, I'd hate for it to break down before I put it aside on my own terms. (I'm not even that unreasonable, my current Plasma is from 2009).
Anyway I've been putting money aside, hopefully by the end of the year I can get a nice new TV. Whether it be LED or OLED.
Anyway I've been putting money aside, hopefully by the end of the year I can get a nice new TV. Whether it be LED or OLED.
The 1080p oleds are actually "cheap" well they're about what an equivalent flagship 1080p lcd/plasma set would cost.
I also personally think outside of pc gaming a 4k tv is wasted. Certain standards haven't even been set yet, and most content in my country isn't even 1080p yet, there's still a lot of standard definition content, and the high definition content broadcast so far is really bad quality.
I think a good quality 1080p set is more than good enough for a good few years yet. I honestly think that for most people with 4k tvs I'd say most of the content they view on it is probably upscaled, and regardless of how good a tvs upscaler is I'd rather watch native content on a display.
I agree with you. The 2014 OLEDs are quite reasonable in terms of pricing right now.
I can see where you are coming from regarding 4K. It is hardly in a stage where a 4K tv would offer any benefit over a 1080p screen.
I do like to keep my TVs for 5-6 years though, and with the UHD Blu-ray specs finalized, hopefully my next TV will be compatible for the next few years.
I'm definitely going to have to see the upscaling in action though. Through my consoles, I'll still be seeing 1080p content for the most part. I do hope that it looks good when upscaled.
My parents own a JS9000 and I'd be lying if I said the upscaling wasn't good quality.
When I went round I took my PS4 with me and it did look good, the image infact is one of the best lcd displays I've seen.
And 4k footage was stunning, although cable which is what consists of the majority of their viewing looked average, the sd content looked very soft (to be expected) and the Hd was ok but that's partly down to the poor quality tv broadcasters class as high definition nowadays, and that is where the problem lies.
Content that is classed as HD from tv broadcasters is not great, and everything else e.g streaming services etc is heavily compressed. Even if we use netflix as an example, they are in my opinion the best provider of streamed content in terms of quality, 1080p stuff looks great, but you can clearly see the compression, and I've compared the same films on netflix and the blu ray and the difference is really obvious.
The same applies to 4k, I'll be honest 4k streamed from Netflix is not better than a good quality blu ray. 4k blu rays is where we'll really see what 4k can do.
The end result will be the same provided you match up the video signals correctly.
i.e if you send limited from the ps4 (16-235) and the tv expects 16-235 it will be fine, and vice versa if you set the ps4 to full (0-255) and the tv expects 0-255.
Issues occur if you for example you send full from the ps4 but the tv expects 16-235 your blacks will be crushed, and if you send limited to a display expecting full your image will be washed out.
Tvs are generally set by default to expect 16-235 as video signals are 16-235. Whereas monitors are set by default to expect pc signals 0-255.
I've got my tv set to 0-255 in pc mode as I get 4:4:4 chroma in pc mode which means that text such as red and magenta is perfectly sharp as opposed to fuzzy. Pc mode also has the advantage of reduced input lag as it disables all the processing of my display.
On your tv the setting will be labelled as "Black level". Low is 16-235 and normal 0-255, so if your tv has a black level setting of "normal" you want to set your ps4 to "full", and if your black level is "low" set your ps4 to "limited"