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So my Sony W705 has developed some sort of GPU issue and a load of black lines have developed on the right hand side of the screen :/

Did on search on Google and got nothing. Checked out the W7 thread on AVF and right there someone else posting about the same issue - 42" model like mine too.
 
What kind of price range am I looking at if I want this TV to replace my 42" plasma for gaming?

-4k
-OLED
-65"
-not curved? unless curved is awesome for gaming?
-not 3D (unless it doesn't affect price)
-low input lag

Also, when is a good time to buy? Isn't there a major electronics conference coming up this fall where you guys are expecting a lot of new models to be announced?
 
What kind of price range am I looking at if I want this TV to replace my 42" plasma for gaming?

-4k
-OLED
-65"
-not curved? unless curved is awesome for gaming?
-not 3D (unless it doesn't affect price)
-low input lag

Also, when is a good time to buy? Isn't there a major electronics conference coming up this fall where you guys are expecting a lot of new models to be announced?
TV like that is probably going to be 6000$ at least. Only LG makes those OLEDs and theyre all curved. Theres a non-curved coming up but no idea what it costs. Won't make too much of a difference.

IFA in September where Panasonic might come out with a OLED but even then, it will cost a lot.

I think the best approach is to sit it out. Doubt price drops are going to be significant unless you buy this years model, next year;
 
What kind of price range am I looking at if I want this TV to replace my 42" plasma for gaming?

-4k
-OLED
-65"
-not curved? unless curved is awesome for gaming?
-not 3D (unless it doesn't affect price)
-low input lag

Also, when is a good time to buy? Isn't there a major electronics conference coming up this fall where you guys are expecting a lot of new models to be announced?

Wait. A few years at least. OLED is still relatively new and all you are going to find now is curved and really expensive. If your current TV really really needs a replacement look into a good 1080p one just to hold you over imo.
 
What kind of price range am I looking at if I want this TV to replace my 42" plasma for gaming?

-4k
-OLED
-65"
-not curved? unless curved is awesome for gaming?
-not 3D (unless it doesn't affect price)
-low input lag

Also, when is a good time to buy? Isn't there a major electronics conference coming up this fall where you guys are expecting a lot of new models to be announced?

I second the last poster- wait on this. Buy a 4k 65 inch LED-LCD to tide you over, you can get a high-end one for $2kish. OLED isn't quite ready yet, and the curved format is AWFUL.
 
So my Sony W705 has developed some sort of GPU issue and a load of black lines have developed on the right hand side of the screen :/

Did on search on Google and got nothing. Checked out the W7 thread on AVF and right there someone else posting about the same issue - 42" model like mine too.

Is it under warranty? Sounds like an array?
 
What kind of price range am I looking at if I want this TV to replace my 42" plasma for gaming?

-4k
-OLED
-65"
-not curved? unless curved is awesome for gaming?
-not 3D (unless it doesn't affect price)
-low input lag

Also, when is a good time to buy? Isn't there a major electronics conference coming up this fall where you guys are expecting a lot of new models to be announced?
The Samsung JS9000 fits most of the criteria minus the OLED (unfortunately). Maybe the new LG ef9500 will have a lower input lag but we can't be sure for another few months.

Anyway the JS9000 will probably cost you 3k this BF while the EF9500 will be around 5k when its announced next month.
 
The Samsung JS9000 fits most of the criteria minus the OLED (unfortunately). Maybe the new LG ef9500 will have a lower input lag but we can't be sure for another few months.

Anyway the JS9000 will probably cost you 3k this BF while the EF9500 will be around 5k when its announced next month.

Why do you say it fits most of my criteria if it's curved and 3D?
 
picked up the 4k Samsung curved 48" JS9000

Works amazing as a PC monitor too(with 4:4:4)


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Contrast and black levels are fantastic. PC & PS4/Xbone look amazing. Outside of an OLED its about the best Ive seen from an LCD.

Need more pictures. My BB discounts don't kick in for two more weeks. Sustain me.
 
Geek Squad came out to calibrate and adjust my TV settings, and I've only used my TV today since they did it (about a few days), and the picture looks like shit.

The colors are muted, and texts are blurry. Whatever they did, they did it pretty badly. To makes things worse, they locked the ability to change settings.

My TV is Sony - anyone know how to unlock the ability or is this something I'll have to contact Best Buy about.
 
Geek Squad came out to calibrate and adjust my TV settings, and I've only used my TV today since they did it (about a few days), and the picture looks like shit.

The colors are muted, and texts are blurry. Whatever they did, they did it pretty badly. To makes things worse, they locked the ability to change settings.

My TV is Sony - anyone know how to unlock the ability or is this something I'll have to contact Best Buy about.

I highly recommend you reach out and contact Best Buy and claim you are not happy with the service. Ask for them to fix it, and provide a different technician. Obviously don't pay for anything though. That's pretty much unacceptable.
 
Geek Squad came out to calibrate and adjust my TV settings, and I've only used my TV today since they did it (about a few days), and the picture looks like shit.

The colors are muted, and texts are blurry. Whatever they did, they did it pretty badly. To makes things worse, they locked the ability to change settings.

My TV is Sony - anyone know how to unlock the ability or is this something I'll have to contact Best Buy about.
Were you expecting a Calibration to make your colors pop and your picture brighter or something?

Noticing "muted" colors is a common complaint by people who get TVs calibrated who don't really understand what calibration is.

Not saying those Geek Squad guys did an amazing job or anything, but you sure you knew what you were getting?
 
Were you expecting a Calibration to make your colors pop and your picture brighter or something?

Noticing "muted" colors is a common complaint by people who get TVs calibrated who don't really understand what calibration is.

Not saying those Geek Squad guys did an amazing job or anything, but you sure you knew what you were getting?

In all honestly, I don't really know what it was for. When I bought the TV they said they'd come calibrate it for free and I just said "Sure?".
 
Were you expecting a Calibration to make your colors pop and your picture brighter or something?

Noticing "muted" colors is a common complaint by people who get TVs calibrated who don't really understand what calibration is.

Not saying those Geek Squad guys did an amazing job or anything, but you sure you knew what you were getting?

That's true but blurry text (possibly undersharpening) and locking him out of his settings isn't acceptable. I will admit though the idea of calibration is accurate reproduction of colors and gamma. TV's are usually setup to be as punchy as possible in the color and light departments to look good on the show room floors, so it will "tone down" a bit.
 
Knowing what I do about them I wouldn't be surprised if they just have a set list of adjustments for every specific TV and just go with that instead of fine tuning it.
I know a guy who did Calibrations for em. He has and used all the equipment, knows his shit and is ISF. Their main issue is they have to get it done within a certain amount of time, and obviously there's no guarantee that you will get "the" guy who knows his stuff, as opposed to the dude who just started or whatever.
 
I'm looking to pick up a spectrometer or colorimter and begin to learn how to calibrate displays properly myself. I've heard good things about the X-rite products.

Does Gaf recommend this one?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0055MBQOW/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Yeah that is a good meter. Make sure it is a rev.b though. It has quantum dot support. You can use it with both CalMAN, Chromapure, as well as HCFR and Lightspace.

Its solid. Its fast, has good low light reading. Would definitely recommend that one.
 
Thats the thing with BestBuy is teh time. You can have someone that knows their shit but when they have to be in and out in what is it an hour and half and that includes set up and breaking down you won't get anything quality.

Last guy I did a calibration for I told him to make sure he sets aside 3-4 hours. Because I want to set up, ask some questions on how they watch TV and what they watch, look how his components are hooked up, how they work with the display, make changes if needed and they agree, Do a few measurements with various size patches of different APL levels after I get the basic settings set, do a pre, w/b 2pt. then 10pt see if both or just one are needed if available. CMS seeing how it decodes, and adjust if available. Gamma, recheck everything to dial it in more. Check reference material. Make sure they are happy. Which is the most important thing. Then I lock the settings and then I head out and email report when I get home.
 
Geek Squad came out to calibrate and adjust my TV settings, and I've only used my TV today since they did it (about a few days), and the picture looks like shit.

The colors are muted, and texts are blurry. Whatever they did, they did it pretty badly. To makes things worse, they locked the ability to change settings.

My TV is Sony - anyone know how to unlock the ability or is this something I'll have to contact Best Buy about.
Not saying they did a proper job, but professional calibration attempts to get your picture to established standards, which to many people can give first impressions like you just described. "Blurry" text could be the proper sharpness level, and you may have been accustomed to an oversharpened picture. Of course, you should have your TV adjusted to however you like. It's your TV. When I had my TV calibrated I felt the same way, even knowing what to expect, but now most other people's TVs look horribly bright/saturated/sharp/etc..

As for not being able to change your TV settings, if your TV has ISF modes, those modes are intended to be used by professional calibrators and can't be adjusted via the standard TV menu options. It's possible this is what they did. Though you should be able to switch to a different picture mode that can be adjusted. Just guessing since I don't know your specific TV and its features.
 
With a Sony the lock is just in the menu. In the newer sony's at least. It doesn't even have a code it is a straight up lock on or off. Though some displays you can actually lock it. Like panasonics have an actual ISF code that you put in that changes the professional 1 and 2 mode to read ISF Day and ISF Night and locks it. So do LG's, Samsung they have their CALday and CAL night modes.

Sony doesn't have a real, real lock. Should be unable to lock it from the settings menu. Not 100% sure on that with teh 2015 models as I havent played with them yet but that is how it was on the 2014 models.
 
Sup GAF need your help lol

OK so s smaller store here in Toronto close by me is closing down I know the owner ans he is giving me first pick with the closing prices so gonna post a collection tvs here (I know they are older but it's for an empty room I'm going to make my secondary gaming room)
OK so first TV

Vizio e550 ao
Vizio e500
Lg 47Lb5830
Vizio e480i b2
Haier 50D3505 5
Vizio E500i-B1
Vizio E500i-A1 50
Hisense 50K360gn 50


So if you guys could give me top 2 or 3 and IL go grab it tomorrow or so lol
Was close to grab g the vizio e480i b2 input lag seems low .. but ey why not ask the experts here lol
 
Sup GAF need your help lol

OK so s smaller store here in Toronto close by me is closing down I know the owner ans he is giving me first pick with the closing prices so gonna post a collection tvs here (I know they are older but it's for an empty room I'm going to make my secondary gaming room)
OK so first TV

Vizio e550 ao
Vizio e500
Lg 47Lb5830
Vizio e480i b2
Haier 50D3505 5
Vizio E500i-B1
Vizio E500i-A1 50
Hisense 50K360gn 50


So if you guys could give me top 2 or 3 and IL go grab it tomorrow or so lol
Was close to grab g the vizio e480i b2 input lag seems low .. but ey why not ask the experts here lol

Does he have the 2015 Vizio series like the E50-C1? They are probably the best budget TV's currently out there. It's hard for me to make a recommendation without knowing your budget and what you have available at the store though.
 
Does he have the 2015 Vizio series like the E50-C1? They are probably the best budget TV's currently out there. It's hard for me to make a recommendation without knowing your budget and what you have available at the store though.
I can ask about that TV

I already have a good main TV for gaming and movies downstairs this would be a second gaming I listed those because I gold him I had 400 to play with he said he would give me ant of those for 400 or 430
 
The Samsung JS9000 fits most of the criteria minus the OLED (unfortunately). Maybe the new LG ef9500 will have a lower input lag but we can't be sure for another few months.

Anyway the JS9000 will probably cost you 3k this BF while the EF9500 will be around 5k when its announced next month.

From what I've read, the Samsung TVs are also the only 2015 sets that are pushing input lag down to 20ms (bar a couple of Vizio sets). It's frustrating to see Sony go high when they did so much work to get it down up until last year. Now they're above 30.
 
Yeah that is a good meter. Make sure it is a rev.b though. It has quantum dot support. You can use it with both CalMAN, Chromapure, as well as HCFR and Lightspace.

Its solid. Its fast, has good low light reading. Would definitely recommend that one.

Just out of curiosity have you heard anything about the Spyder5 series? I only ask because my work gets me a fairly large discount on their products.
 
From what I've read, the Samsung TVs are also the only 2015 sets that are pushing input lag down to 20ms (bar a couple of Vizio sets). It's frustrating to see Sony go high when they did so much work to get it down up until last year. Now they're above 30.

I just got a Sony 65'' 4K TV with an input lag of 39ms and haven't noticed a problem, haven't even needed to switch it over to game mode. The superior 4K upscaling abilities of the 2015 Sony TV's made it an easy choice.
 
I just got a Sony 65'' 4K TV with an input lag of 39ms and haven't noticed a problem, haven't even needed to switch it over to game mode. The superior 4K upscaling abilities of the 2015 Sony TV's made it an easy choice.

Which model? Because every metric I've seen have even Sonys best this year at 36ms in Game Mode and above 70 with it on.

Now.last years range... They were some amazing TVs.
 
Which model? Because every metric I've seen have even Sonys best this year at 36ms in Game Mode and above 70 with it on.

Now.last years range... They were some amazing TVs.

He's pretty much admitting that the increased input lag is negligible to his gaming experience.
 
He's pretty much admitting that the increased input lag is negligible to his gaming experience.

Ah yeah, the 39ms is in game mode from the review, they've just not switched it on on top of that.

Only reason I'm so wanting it low right now is because my TV is about 70ms in game mode even and rhythm games, Rocket League and Street Fighter are infuriating compared to hooking up to my monitor. If I can get a nice big 4k with less than 25ms, almost every other priority and is pushed down the list... Even going with Samsung again.
 
I need a good gaming tv that's preferably below $500 but also 1080p and LED or Plasma and 40-42 inches...If I need to pay more I can, just want a decent price with a great picture used for gaming on my ps4 and xb1. any suggestions? Thanks
 
I've had Best Buy two of my Sonys and they both came out great. But I def would pay an extra $50 and have someone who takes 3 hours to do it instead of 20 minutes.

Need more pictures. My BB discounts don't kick in for two more weeks. Sustain me.

I don't think you'll save anything off that.
 
If I wanted to hunt down the ultimate Plasma, any models I should look for? I have a Samsung one which is all right, but I regret not getting one from Panasonic before they stopped
 
Just out of curiosity have you heard anything about the Spyder5 series? I only ask because my work gets me a fairly large discount on their products.

Spyder5 is slower and doesn't provide as good low light readings. Which is huge in calibration. Gotta get that shadow detail right. Plus with all the displays using pseudo local dimming or full local dimming this is really important because one thing that you have to do is occasionally depending on display have to wait a specific amount of time between reads due to local dimming. So if it struggles with low light and it's slow, it makes your calibration take that much longer. Also less accurate because if you have problems reading low light your 10-30 stimuli is going to be a pain to get dialed in because the meter readings will jump from high to low with the slightest change. This is bad because if you are going to have to make sacrifices on anything in a calibration it would be the high end 90 and 100, not your low end.

From some data that Tom Huffman (the man who makes Chromapure) posted from testing it with chromapure it appears to struggle with blue from the data I was seeing. and the white point. So your going to have a higher DeltaE

This is feedback on it

"The i1D3 reads lower, faster, and with better color accuracy. Low light levels had little effect on the color accuracy of either meters. Although the Spyder 5 could not match the color accuracy of the i1D3, it is significantly better in the regard than the Spyder 4. The biggest downside to the Spyder 5 is its speed. It takes nearly twice as long to take measurements as the i1D3. The color errors trouble me less because those can be significantly reduced with profiling and the errors are fairly small in any case. However, the speed and low-light limitations are inherent to the design and cannot be improved upon."
 
Spyder5 is slower and doesn't provide as good low light readings. Which is huge in calibration. Gotta get that shadow detail right. Plus with all the displays using pseudo local dimming or full local dimming this is really important because one thing that you have to do is occasionally depending on display have to wait a specific amount of time between reads due to local dimming. So if it struggles with low light and it's slow, it makes your calibration take that much longer. Also less accurate because if you have problems reading low light your 10-30 stimuli is going to be a pain to get dialed in because the meter readings will jump from high to low with the slightest change. This is bad because if you are going to have to make sacrifices on anything in a calibration it would be the high end 90 and 100, not your low end.

From some data that Tom Huffman (the man who makes Chromapure) posted from testing it with chromapure it appears to struggle with blue from the data I was seeing. and the white point. So your going to have a higher DeltaE

This is feedback on it

"The i1D3 reads lower, faster, and with better color accuracy. Low light levels had little effect on the color accuracy of either meters. Although the Spyder 5 could not match the color accuracy of the i1D3, it is significantly better in the regard than the Spyder 4. The biggest downside to the Spyder 5 is its speed. It takes nearly twice as long to take measurements as the i1D3. The color errors trouble me less because those can be significantly reduced with profiling and the errors are fairly small in any case. However, the speed and low-light limitations are inherent to the design and cannot be improved upon."

Gotcha I won't skimp on the meter then. Not worth it, especially as I'll be using it to calibrate friends TV's and monitor's as well. The X-rite I1pro is looking like my best choice, but I don't see anything about it being capable of handling the DCI-P3 color space. Or quantum dot support. What meter do I need?
 
Gotcha I won't skimp on the meter then. Not worth it, especially as I'll be using it to calibrate friends TV's and monitor's as well. The X-rite I1pro is looking like my best choice, but I don't see anything about it being capable of handling the DCI-P3 color space. Or quantum dot support. What meter do I need?

Any display 3 will do those color spaces as long as you have to have a correction table for it, which makes that display type and color space options you can select.

I know Chromapure just added a correction table for it cause I got an email about it from curtpalme like 6 days ago.

As for the Rev B, it was my mistake as to what I thought it added. Looks like the new revision supports refresh rate detection and synchronization. Outside of that it's the same meter. So you can get any i1D3. As to what it supports and to have the correct offsets which are profiled from a reference meter it depends on who you get it from, and what software you use. Like if you get Chromapure and a "pro" version you will get all of the offsets, if you get a C6 and calman it will have everything in there and all the correct tables. If you get calman and just a i1D3 you can still select everything but it won't be referenced against a meter it will use the default tables.
 
If I wanted to hunt down the ultimate Plasma, any models I should look for? I have a Samsung one which is all right, but I regret not getting one from Panasonic before they stopped

Panasonic VT/ZT60 or one of the last-generation Pioneer Elite Kuros (Pro-101FD, Pro-141FD, Pro-111FD, Pro-151FD, PDP-5020FD, PDP-6020FD, KRP-500M, KRP-600M) are what I would consider the "ultimate" consumer-level plasmas. Samsung F8500 is also good especially if your viewing environment is a bit brighter as it has a really good peak brightness for a plasma.
 
I have the last of the pioneer kuros. I like it but it's only 42" and 720p so I'm looking to upgrade.

I have a 500M, and I thought I wanted to "upgrade" to a larger LED. After spending some time with the Samsung H7150 I can say I was mistaken. Good black levels > size. OLED is the only option for me.
 
I have a 500M, and I thought I wanted to "upgrade" to a larger LED. After spending some time with the Samsung H7150 I can say I was mistaken. Good black levels > size. OLED is the only option for me.
You can get both. Sony 75X940C. The picture on that TV is as close to Plasma as I've seen, and better in many respects.
 
Panasonic VT/ZT60 or one of the last-generation Pioneer Elite Kuros (Pro-101FD, Pro-141FD, Pro-111FD, Pro-151FD, PDP-5020FD, PDP-6020FD, KRP-500M, KRP-600M) are what I would consider the "ultimate" consumer-level plasmas. Samsung F8500 is also good especially if your viewing environment is a bit brighter as it has a really good peak brightness for a plasma.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I wish I knew a buddy with a VT/ZT so I could see if it was worth hunting one down above the Samsung I had.
 
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