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Unknown Soldier
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So turn off the backlight dimming entirely and you can have a fixed black level. I'm confused as to what the problem is here.
Aztechnology
Member
Finally got my 55" JS9000 the upgrade from the Vizio P series is huuuuge. The Picture Quality increase is far more drastic than I anticipated.
FrankNitty
Member
Because of contrast. having it off will give you a MLL of like 0.01fL where if it is on you will get about 0.005-0.0001 depending on the setting you use.
So I would want to use it.
A lot of LCD displays have the same problem on Low APL scenes with local dimming just I found that I noticed it more with this set then I have others that were in this price range Like when your looking at the back of someones head that has black hair in a dim room. A very good example would be Half Blood Prince when they enter the cave.
Which is why I still own my ZT60 and 500M. I'm not saying it makes it a bad display either it's just one of the things I couldn't deal with personally
Wildschwein
Member
Does anyone have any particular experience with smaller (sub-32") televisions?
Lately I've been frustrated with a pretty specific set of annoyances. My consoles are all hooked up to my primary PC monitor, and for the most part I'm happy with it. I've just run into two things that are driving me nuts.
#1) The Wii U's forced limited RGB range is placing my experience with the system on the bad side of subpar.
#2) The lack of a scaler on my monitor. The PS3 looks especially blocky with 720p games, and the Wii U doesn't look much better. I know that the PS3 lacks any internal scaling, and I'm not sure about the Wii U. 360 is pretty okay here though. It just has a blurry main menu.
#3) Not being able to play my pre-HDMI consoles is a bummer.
To get around these, I've been trying to find a small 1080p television to use on my desk, but I didn't realize that it would be this tough.
About a week ago, I picked up one of these. Unfortunately it had horrific motion blur, and was brought back to the store within a day. That has been the only reputable looking 1080p 24 inch television that I've been able to find anything about, so I'm kind of at a loss. I'm limited on space, so smaller than 32 inches is pretty necessary. 32 may fit technically, but it would be a close call.
I believe I need to find either the best 24"-28" 720p television I can find, or to wait and hope some of those cheap refurbished Playstation 3D Displays pop up in the near future. External upscalers are a thing, too, aren't they? I could look into that.
Does anyone have any recommendations in that pretty narrow field?
Lately I've been frustrated with a pretty specific set of annoyances. My consoles are all hooked up to my primary PC monitor, and for the most part I'm happy with it. I've just run into two things that are driving me nuts.
#1) The Wii U's forced limited RGB range is placing my experience with the system on the bad side of subpar.
#2) The lack of a scaler on my monitor. The PS3 looks especially blocky with 720p games, and the Wii U doesn't look much better. I know that the PS3 lacks any internal scaling, and I'm not sure about the Wii U. 360 is pretty okay here though. It just has a blurry main menu.
#3) Not being able to play my pre-HDMI consoles is a bummer.
To get around these, I've been trying to find a small 1080p television to use on my desk, but I didn't realize that it would be this tough.
About a week ago, I picked up one of these. Unfortunately it had horrific motion blur, and was brought back to the store within a day. That has been the only reputable looking 1080p 24 inch television that I've been able to find anything about, so I'm kind of at a loss. I'm limited on space, so smaller than 32 inches is pretty necessary. 32 may fit technically, but it would be a close call.
I believe I need to find either the best 24"-28" 720p television I can find, or to wait and hope some of those cheap refurbished Playstation 3D Displays pop up in the near future. External upscalers are a thing, too, aren't they? I could look into that.
Does anyone have any recommendations in that pretty narrow field?
RadarScope1
Member
^^ If you want to play pre-HDMI consoles on a modern TV, the external upscaler you want is the XRGB-mini, aka Framemeister. Best way to get one is ordering from Solaris Japan. It's a little over $300. Check out the OP in the Retro Gaming Done Right thread for a rundown of the info you need.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Anyone know what the input lag is on these sets?
Sony Class 4k XBR55X850C 55"
Sony 55X800B
LG 65UF8500
Working on finding them right now but if anyone already has a quick link to the info for these particular sets it would be appreciated. I've heard around here that apparently the best 2015 set for low input lag seems to be a Samsung of all things... any input there?
The Vizio M- and P- series for 2015 seem to have around 20ms input lag according to CNET. That's really good for the price point considering how many zones they have for local dimming as well. Might have to look there until OLEDs come down below 3k for the 4k versions and have better input lag.
Lastly, the Best Buy rep is giving me the typical line of (what I assume is) bullshit that they've "drastically lowered the input lag" on the latest line of LG OLED sets, and that the flat versions will be available in the next few weeks to two months. I highly doubt they've gotten the OLED's input lag down to the sub-20ms range like some of the others, but even sub-30 would be acceptable. Any input lag numbers out on the latest OLEDs? Oh, and their store demo unit of the big 65" or 70" (not sure) OLED had a vertical band that they claim happened during installation when it was damaged. Has me a bit concerned, and they claim they're the only one in the country that got damaged in this manner... sure... right. Any info on the latest OLEDs would be appreciated.
Edit: UGH!! The 2015 OLED still registered almost 50ms input lag even in GAME mode. Damnit to hell. Bolded part was right, bestbuy rep was, as usual, more ignorant than the average videophile customer. Working in the oh-so-special magnolia lounge too. Sheesh.
Edit: Yeah it seems the Samsung JS seried or Vizio M- and P- series are the best options for LED panels at this point. Maybe I can learn to put up with 50ms on that OLED when the 55" flat version comes out. The picture is just so inky pretty!
Sony Class 4k XBR55X850C 55"
Sony 55X800B
LG 65UF8500
Working on finding them right now but if anyone already has a quick link to the info for these particular sets it would be appreciated. I've heard around here that apparently the best 2015 set for low input lag seems to be a Samsung of all things... any input there?
The Vizio M- and P- series for 2015 seem to have around 20ms input lag according to CNET. That's really good for the price point considering how many zones they have for local dimming as well. Might have to look there until OLEDs come down below 3k for the 4k versions and have better input lag.
Lastly, the Best Buy rep is giving me the typical line of (what I assume is) bullshit that they've "drastically lowered the input lag" on the latest line of LG OLED sets, and that the flat versions will be available in the next few weeks to two months. I highly doubt they've gotten the OLED's input lag down to the sub-20ms range like some of the others, but even sub-30 would be acceptable. Any input lag numbers out on the latest OLEDs? Oh, and their store demo unit of the big 65" or 70" (not sure) OLED had a vertical band that they claim happened during installation when it was damaged. Has me a bit concerned, and they claim they're the only one in the country that got damaged in this manner... sure... right. Any info on the latest OLEDs would be appreciated.
Edit: UGH!! The 2015 OLED still registered almost 50ms input lag even in GAME mode. Damnit to hell. Bolded part was right, bestbuy rep was, as usual, more ignorant than the average videophile customer. Working in the oh-so-special magnolia lounge too. Sheesh.
Edit: Yeah it seems the Samsung JS seried or Vizio M- and P- series are the best options for LED panels at this point. Maybe I can learn to put up with 50ms on that OLED when the 55" flat version comes out. The picture is just so inky pretty!
Bornstellar
Member
I have a slightly older LG OLED (55ec9300) and I'm absolutely smitten with it. In PC mode I don't really register any input lag and I'd wager it is between 30-40 ms. While initially there was a subtle consistency issue with dark grey it seems to have disappeared with use. Furthermore, do not for a second trust factory picture settings - they are all awful. Once you have it properly tuned though, it's the best dammed picture you'll have seen. I've pretty much sworn off of ever getting a backlit display again as a result.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Yeah did a lot of checking on CNET and saw that it's roughly the same as the previous model. I'm holding out for the 55" flat panel version to go test my gaming setup on it to see how it 'feels' in action.
I just can't help but expect that going from a plasma to an OLED is going to be a very noticeable difference with the input lag, but I guess if the OLED renders the whole image at once in 'passes' the way plasmas do rather than top-to-bottom the way traditional LEDs do then it might compensate for that figure and make it still feel 'fluid' enough. I mean it's not like I game at a competitive level or anything, but shooters and speedrunning platformers sure would suffer if there is any perceptible input lag.
LG had some showing to best buy reps (I slept in, don't show up to that BS) and I guess they mentioned something about flat OLEDs shipping within a month. Because that seems to be the consensus, although I don't believe it.
mitchman
Gold Member
Check http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ for input lag numbers.
Bornstellar
Member
Yeah, my TV is 36 ms on PC mode, which works plenty fine IMO.
I have no issues with the input lag on the EC9300. It's too bad there's significantly more lag on the 4K models. 50ms, is when it starts to become noticeable for me in games that require fast reflexes.
Maybe there's a chance LG will rectify this with the flat models coming out soon... more likely will have to wait for next year's models though.
Maybe there's a chance LG will rectify this with the flat models coming out soon... more likely will have to wait for next year's models though.
Aztechnology
Member
Edit: figured it out. Reason was embarrassing as can be. I have the 18Gbps rated slim monoprice cable and it only runs from source to output. So I had it plugged in the wrong way
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hey guys,
So here's the deal.
For several years i've been using several different displays. I had a Samsung plasma, then a projector. Went back to plasma and then back to projector again. Eventually i just decided to be done with it and simply go for HDTV and whether that was going to be a plasma or LCD/LED i don't care.
I've owned a Sony w829b for a while and while it was perfect for the low input lag, the Game picture mode significantly reduces the picture quality. Using the cinema, auto, standard etc, picture modes games look great on it, but the input lag is just too damn much and while fine for games that don't nessecarily need a low input lag, it's impossible for any shooter. I really care a lot about visuals and when Halo 5 and Battlefront come out, i want them to look the best they can, and be playable in terms of input lag.
So now this LG OLED tv has caught my eye, the EC930V. I hear so many good things about it, both here and on other forum and reviews. Apparently it's the best picture you can ask for with amazing black levels and with some tweaking you can have it great for gaming too. So for the owners of that tv here, how much tweaking/calibration is needed? And is that done by a professional calibrator or can i do it myself? How is the tv out of the box in terms of picture quality and for input lag? Also....is this tv going to be worth the money? I mean it's in the 2000 euros price range here. I never spent so much on a tv.
I'll be getting the tv for my Xbox One and Wii U, (PS4 next year). I don't have the money yet, saving up for it, but i have my mind set on it for sure. Gonna do my best to have it before Fallout 4 drops.
Any help/advice would be awesome.
So here's the deal.
For several years i've been using several different displays. I had a Samsung plasma, then a projector. Went back to plasma and then back to projector again. Eventually i just decided to be done with it and simply go for HDTV and whether that was going to be a plasma or LCD/LED i don't care.
I've owned a Sony w829b for a while and while it was perfect for the low input lag, the Game picture mode significantly reduces the picture quality. Using the cinema, auto, standard etc, picture modes games look great on it, but the input lag is just too damn much and while fine for games that don't nessecarily need a low input lag, it's impossible for any shooter. I really care a lot about visuals and when Halo 5 and Battlefront come out, i want them to look the best they can, and be playable in terms of input lag.
So now this LG OLED tv has caught my eye, the EC930V. I hear so many good things about it, both here and on other forum and reviews. Apparently it's the best picture you can ask for with amazing black levels and with some tweaking you can have it great for gaming too. So for the owners of that tv here, how much tweaking/calibration is needed? And is that done by a professional calibrator or can i do it myself? How is the tv out of the box in terms of picture quality and for input lag? Also....is this tv going to be worth the money? I mean it's in the 2000 euros price range here. I never spent so much on a tv.
I'll be getting the tv for my Xbox One and Wii U, (PS4 next year). I don't have the money yet, saving up for it, but i have my mind set on it for sure. Gonna do my best to have it before Fallout 4 drops.
Any help/advice would be awesome.
I have been in the A/V business most of my adult life...and currently work for a distribution company. My personal opinion is that the LG OLED is overpriced and overrated. It's using a white OLED element for BACKLIGHTING, then running the white light through a traditional LCD panel. While this DOES allow for backlighting of individual pixels, providing really impressive black levels...it is NOT the "holy grail" of displays...and at $7000 ($5999 on sale right now) for a 65" set...it's just not worth the money.
If you are looking for a "top of the line" set with low input lag, go with the UN65JS9500 (for a 65", also available in 78" and 88"). These sets are backlit with traditional LED light elements (which also will not degrade as much over time as OLED elements!), and the 9500 series has ACTIVE backlighting, meaning that the set will selectively light the LEDs depending on what is shown and where on the screen lighting is needed.
While not QUITE as impressive as the black levels of the LG OLED sets, you will find the picture quality stunning, and more than acceptable...and it's selling for $4500 right now. Take the extra $1500 you save and put it into your audio system!
Oh, one more thing...Samsung sets are HARDWARE upgradable! All of your HDMI connections, as well as the processors for the TV, are located in an external "OneConnect" box...so if the industry decides to go with DisplayPort, HDMI 3.0, or whatever else they come up with, you are not going to be left with an obsolete set! You can upgrade your set for a few hundred dollars to whatever the next standard happens to be.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hey man,
First of all thanks for the very informative reply. i decided to look into the UN65JS9500, but it turns out this tv is waaaaay beyond what i can afford. It's actually 6000 euros, which is about 6,8652 in dollars. The prices here are very different compared to the US. Huge difference. The LG EC930V is 2000 dollars over here, and sometimes it gets a discount. So the Samsung sounds great, but it's just a big no go for me. Oh i did forget to mention that i was eyeing the 55 inch OLED.
He's looking at the EC9300 which is $2000 right now. The JS9500 is more than twice as much.
I don't think the OLED sets are overrated at all, I will never go back to LCD
And in my opinion, putting size aside, FALD sets like the JS9500, or Sony 940C are still not as good as the 1080p OLED. I think with top tier sets like these - it's going to come down to personal preference. I find the blooming artfacts from FALD really annoying. OLED is still not perfect but overall I feel it is the best solution yet.As for tweaking/calibrating the LG EC9300, mine needed minimal setting changes to get good PQ out of the box... based on the Cinema preset, I had to change the gamma setting, up brightness to 54, and I brought down the OLED light to 55. I also turned off all the extra processing features like noise reduction, super resolution, etc. I plan on getting a professional calibration at some point though, but I think you'll be fine with just basic tweaking.
Pagusas
Elden Member
He's looking at the EC9300 which is $2000 right now. The JS9500 is more than twice as much.
I don't think the OLED sets are overrated at all, I will never go back to LCD
As for tweaking/calibrating the LG EC9300, mine needed minimal setting changes to get good PQ out of the box... based on the Cinema preset, I had to change the gamma setting, up brightness to 54, and I brought down the OLED light to 55. I also turned off all the extra processing features like noise reduction, super resolution, etc. I plan on getting a professional calibration at some point though, but I think you'll be fine with just basic tweaking.
The biggest problem with OLED's right now is the lack of sizes. We need a 78 - 85" OLED stat.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
He's looking at the EC9300 which is $2000 right now. The JS9500 is more than twice as much.
I don't think the OLED sets are overrated at all, I will never go back to LCD
As for tweaking/calibrating the LG EC9300, mine needed minimal setting changes to get good PQ out of the box... based on the Cinema preset, I had to change the gamma setting, up brightness to 54, and I brought down the OLED light to 55. I also turned off all the extra processing features like noise reduction, super resolution, etc. I plan on getting a professional calibration at some point though, but I think you'll be fine with just basic tweaking.
That sounds good man. Are you using the game or PC mode for low input lag by the way?
I also forgot to mention that next to the Sony W829b, i also temporarily owned a Panasonic Viera TX-55CX700. This is a 4K set, but i honestly couldn't notice it in gaming at all, which makes sense, cause zero Xbox One games are 4K, but i still expected some kind of improvement. Honestly, the Sony W829b was A LOT better in terms of picture quality and black levels than the Panasonic.
Definitely! That's when I'll move to 4K.
PC mode. Did you find the input lag acceptable with the TX-55CX700? The EC9300 is around the same - 34-36ms. Not as low as the Sony but still more than acceptable I feel. 50ms is when things get noticeable for me.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Oh that's absolutely fine. What i loved about the CX700 is that you could enable game mode in every picture preset, but the picture quality in general just wasn't nearing the W829b and i am very picky when it comes to those things.
I remember when i played games like The Witcher 3 and Batman on the W829b in cinema mode. I was absolutely fine with it for those games, and according to i believe it was HDTVTest.co.uk input lag in cinema mode was 90ms. If i was fine with a 90ms input lag in non-shooters, 36ms is gonna be super for me in those games and in shooters too. Tried all the available shooters on both the W829b on all settings and for the CX700 too.
I've been doing a lot of research and it seems there are not many other tv's in that price range matching up to the EC930V. 4K is of no importance for me, but a great PQ, black levels and colours definitely is.
GinoFelino
Member
Ha, I owned the Sony W829b as well before it broke down, and I got the Panasonic 50CX700 as a replacement. To me, the CX700 looks miles better than the W829 in black levels and colours. There are some display differences between the 50 inch and 55 inch versions, so that might explain our difference of opinion, but personally I highly recommend the CX700 for the (relatively) low input lag on all picture presets and overall picture quality.
Edit: thought you (Tatsumi) were someone other than the guy asking for advice, misread it sorry! Seriously though, maybe try the 50 inch version and take some time to properly calibrate it. There's not a whole lot of tv's that have low input lag on all presets, and picture quality is amazing after a little tinkering. Out of box presets are better on the W829 (and on Sony tv's in general).
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hmmmm that's interesting. I indeed had the 55 inch CX700. I was able to compare it to the Sony W829b and i thought the difference was big. The Sony was 50 inch and the Panasonic 55, but that shouldn't make that big of a difference, right? I checked out Witcher 3 and overall it was a lot crisper, the foliage and everything, on the Sony. Also tried out Batman AK, Banjo Kazooie, GTA V and so on. Overall it was just crisper on the Sony and i tried all picture modes.
The Panasonic seemed somewhat blurry/fuzzy, i think is the right word. If the difference between 50 and 55 are that big, then damn. Or maybe our opinions on it just differ, that is possible as well.
It's the same as with the VT30 plasma from Panasonic a few years ago. So much praise in reviews, but i honestly wasn;t that impressed with it at all.lifeexpectancy
Member
Where are you getting 34-36ms? Every review I've seen for the LG OLED 9300 set shows input lag at like 49ms.
Edit: I see that the link above shows it at 36ms, but CNET and other reviews that I've read measured it at 49ms with a LEO Bodnar device. I'm curious how that site got that 36ms number for the OLED.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
http://hdguru.com/lg-55ec9300-oled-hdtv-review/
Some reviews only test Game mode, not PC which has lower lag, that's likely why the discrepency.
edit: here's another that I know actually tested PC mode - 39ms. They also say disabling the internal speakers shaves off a few ms http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55ec930v-201412163962.htm
mitchman
Gold Member
Firmware releases often improve the lag times, just look at what Samsung did with their 2014 TVs when they cut the lag in half in a single firmware release and kept on going to the 2015 sets which now rates as the best 4k TVs for lag free gaming (20-25ms across the board).
lifeexpectancy
Member
Ahh ok then nice. Hopefully they can keep the number down for this year's flat version. I really, really don't want to get a curved TV but I'd like to at least give OLED a fair shake in home usage to see if I like it.
Always-honest
Banned
I just wanted to say that i think the Epson 3200 projector is great for gaming.
And movies, etc. It has a responsetime of 18.5ms.. So pretty damn fast!!
It's 1080P and has a lot of light (i can even play and watch during daytime).
Personally, i don't even want to watch at my panasonic plasma anymore.
It's not as immersive as playing, watching, etc on a 100 inch screen.
Image quality is allready great out of the box
And movies, etc. It has a responsetime of 18.5ms.. So pretty damn fast!!
It's 1080P and has a lot of light (i can even play and watch during daytime).
Personally, i don't even want to watch at my panasonic plasma anymore.
It's not as immersive as playing, watching, etc on a 100 inch screen.
Image quality is allready great out of the box
LincolnSixVacano
Banned
Why go 4K when the current generation of consoles can't reliably produce 1080p ?
Let me tell you right now. Even the next generation of consoles will be nowhere near 4k resolution. I will be glad if next gen can reliably produce AAA games 1080p60. That would be a huge step forward.
There is absolutely no reason to go with anything better than a standard 1080p TV with decent quality for the next 5 years. 4k is the dream that companies tried to sell us before even HD was adopted fully.
So in the 1080p category we have plenty of good options. By now we know how to produce those, just walk into a store and buy what looks good. Always go and watch your choice live somewhere. Impossible to judge a tv on specs alone.
Let me tell you right now. Even the next generation of consoles will be nowhere near 4k resolution. I will be glad if next gen can reliably produce AAA games 1080p60. That would be a huge step forward.
There is absolutely no reason to go with anything better than a standard 1080p TV with decent quality for the next 5 years. 4k is the dream that companies tried to sell us before even HD was adopted fully.
So in the 1080p category we have plenty of good options. By now we know how to produce those, just walk into a store and buy what looks good. Always go and watch your choice live somewhere. Impossible to judge a tv on specs alone.
Caayn
Member
Multiple answers are possible
A: Not everyone games on consoles, for example they use a PC with their TV.
B: People want to be future proof.
C: People use their TV for things other than gaming on consoles.
D: 1920x1080 scales perfectly to 4K, so upscaling artifacts stay to a minimum.
E: Any combination of the above.
Jigolo
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1102205
Thought I'd post this here #noshame. We'll see how these handle motion and input lag.
Thought I'd post this here #noshame. We'll see how these handle motion and input lag.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-announces-first-hdr-enabled-4k-oled-tv#97ICOl0Oqox49wFR.97
Here we go. Now I gotta consider if OLED is worth transitioning from the Sonys with the extra speakers. I'd have to get an OLED + Receiver + 3.1 system (I don't like soundbars). While Sony I really like the bigger speakers they come with plus a wireless subwoofer.
Here we go. Now I gotta consider if OLED is worth transitioning from the Sonys with the extra speakers. I'd have to get an OLED + Receiver + 3.1 system (I don't like soundbars). While Sony I really like the bigger speakers they come with plus a wireless subwoofer.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Interesting. Hopefully that means the price for the EC930V is gonna be lowered some more. Right now it seems to change every week from 2400 euros to 1900 and then back again.
MvmntInGrn
Member
I think I'm ready for a new TV. My living room TV is a Panasonic Viera plasma (TH-46PZ800U). The reason I'm thinking of a new living room TV is because I picked up a cheap Vizio LED for my bedroom (E40-c2) and tried my PS4 on it (though its mostly just for Chromecast).
I'm really surprised. It looks so much better than I thought it would. I like the image more than my plasma. Ground Zeros looks so much more crisp. The black levels are even impressive to me, not that I'm a particularly picky viewer.
The Sony KDL50W800B seems to be popular in this thread and I think it would suit my needs. Any difference between this and the 2015 models? Still seeing this one pop up more is why I ask. Does the 2015 have more input lag?
1080p suits me fine and I'm actually very pleased with the way LED looks.
EDIT: Size range I'm looking for is about 50-inch. Think that would be big enough for this room.
I'm really surprised. It looks so much better than I thought it would. I like the image more than my plasma. Ground Zeros looks so much more crisp. The black levels are even impressive to me, not that I'm a particularly picky viewer.
The Sony KDL50W800B seems to be popular in this thread and I think it would suit my needs. Any difference between this and the 2015 models? Still seeing this one pop up more is why I ask. Does the 2015 have more input lag?
1080p suits me fine and I'm actually very pleased with the way LED looks.
EDIT: Size range I'm looking for is about 50-inch. Think that would be big enough for this room.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Damnit, wish they'd release the FLAT variant in a 55" 1080p instead of 4k, so I could have my flat OLED for under $3000.
I have no want, wish, or desire for a 4k. The content for it is still too far off. I don't want to spend an extra $2500-3000 on a 55" OLED just because it can do 4k that I won't want or need for the next 5-10 years. Plus 4k tends to add more input lag anyway b/c of upscaling the 1080p signal or something like that (I'm no expert). Just so unnecessary.
Aztechnology
Member
We got one of the new curved 4k LG OLED's in at work. IPS and a white back? Why LG. The picture quality is incredible though. We don't have any HDR content to display, but they are impressive.
There's a few speakers just lying around at my parents that I've been thinking of using, but I've been told it might not be a good idea due to a difference in ohm. Supposedly the speakers themselves are 8 ohm, whereas most TVs are usually 2-4.
I got a Sony Bravia W605B, but I can't really find any information about its ohm. Does anyone got any idea?
I got a Sony Bravia W605B, but I can't really find any information about its ohm. Does anyone got any idea?
SenseiAsad
Member
So the family plasma bit the dust (LG 60 inch), looking for a replacement TV for around £1000. I've been out of the TV market for a while so I'm researching the new tech. It's a family TV so reliability and as a high a spec as we can get for the money is ideal, doesn't need to have the lowest input lag in the world.
I'm aware plasma's are dying, so it'll probably be an LED set, it needs to be 60 inches though.
Anyone got any suggestions?
I'm aware plasma's are dying, so it'll probably be an LED set, it needs to be 60 inches though.
Anyone got any suggestions?
FrankNitty
Member
I would suggest going with a good AVR and 2 mains and a good sub. The difference is huge. The Sony's speakers areabout the same as using a sound bar just already in the TV itself. Having a good AVR 2 channel and a sub goes a long, long way for everything. Music, games, movies. Plus if it decodes the various audio formats and you have a center channel you are already better off. At that point as you want to do more just add more speakers.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
While i am still intending to go for the LG EC930V OLED.....let's say if i was to decide that i don't want to spend 2000 euros or more on a TV. It's not going to be the Sony W829B or Panasonic CX700 for me.
What about Samsung? What are some real nice sets that provide comparable specs (to the OLED)? Great PQ, black levels, colours and a low input lag. 30-40ms is fine for me.
I just wanna know what my options are.
What about Samsung? What are some real nice sets that provide comparable specs (to the OLED)? Great PQ, black levels, colours and a low input lag. 30-40ms is fine for me.
I just wanna know what my options are.
ACH1LL3US
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I had the LG 55ec9300, I posted much further back in Oct 2014 about my findings of lag with the Leo Bodnar. I would go check out my post previously on it. It is an amazing tv!
As for lag on it, after I posted my findings a firmware update came out in Nov 2014 that raised the lag a bit, the middle bar is sitting around 36 ( still very playable ), prior to that I was able in pc mode with game mode enganged to be at 29ms on the middle bar, I was one of the first to discover this trick and told people like David at hdtvtest how to get the lower lag and he updated his review to reflect that.
The oled is not like plasma as for how it draws the screen, it is like lcd, top to bottom, so lag on the top bar is lower then the bottom bar. Oddly oled draws the screen alot quicker then most lcds, most lcds have 7ms between bars ( except the samsung js9000 series which is 3.5ms between bars, the oled is about 4ms between bars).
If it werent for image retention/burnin on the oled and had some lower lag it would be the ideal tv period imho.
As it stands for gaming I would take the new 2015 Samsung 4ks over it because of said issues above. Also sadly the oled has pretty strong abl like plasma, you need to keep that in mind comparing to lcd which full screen bright still stays just as bright as a small box.
ACH1LL3US
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Not true.
Pagusas
Elden Member
That would be complete bs.
SlaughterX
Banned
I should be able to do this with my AVR too, right? I can't get it to work so I had to use an optical cable, but I'd rather not if I don't have to...
If you're AVR has ARC, then yes. If not you need the optical cable.