Norwegian_Imposter
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trying to find the best "game mode" settings for my 2015 Sony LCD. I find the default game mode settings to have the whites look too "warm"
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Nesmaster75
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Just got a $650 bonus from work & looking to buy a solid tv mostly for console gaming (single player & multiplayer). I realize this isn't a lot of money but I'm coming from an old 32 in LCD Samsung so really anything would be really nice!
The wall space in my room does limit the tv size to no bigger than 47in so what do you guys recommend? Thanks in advance!
The wall space in my room does limit the tv size to no bigger than 47in so what do you guys recommend? Thanks in advance!
The best tv for next-gen will probably be some type of LCD-LED mix, but for current-gen I'd go for the Organic Light Emitting Diode Television.
Each pixel makes it's own light, which means no back-light, which means no screen burn, plus the picture is a bit brighter.
OLED's can also turn their lights off - so black is black.
If you've got money for water - go 4K OLED.
Oh yeah, almost forgot....
..Those concept drawings over there - that's 'next-gen'
My PS4 and your Xbox One - that's 'current-gen'
And my Xbox 360 and your PS3 - well that's last-gen...just saying
Each pixel makes it's own light, which means no back-light, which means no screen burn, plus the picture is a bit brighter.
OLED's can also turn their lights off - so black is black.
If you've got money for water - go 4K OLED.
Oh yeah, almost forgot....
..Those concept drawings over there - that's 'next-gen'
My PS4 and your Xbox One - that's 'current-gen'
And my Xbox 360 and your PS3 - well that's last-gen...just saying
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hmmm,..there's actually burn-in/retention? Damn that sucks. How bad is it though? Am i going to have to worry when i play games with a lot of things on the HUD?
As for other brands...nobody has some recommendations for great and affordable Samsung tv's? About 55 to 60 inch. The JS9500 is a no go, i can never afford that. The LG OLED is now 2199, but i hope it goes down to 2000 or lower, cause then i might go for it. But if not, i'll look at other sets with the same price or lower.
It's not a major concern really. I've got hundreds of hours on mine now, have left HUDs up for hours even soon after getting it (Xenoblade X has lots of UI elements that're up basically all the time) and have never noticed any sign of retention, temporary or otherwise.
It's something you should be aware of because it can happen if you do something stupid (like leave it on all day on a still image set to vivid), and people generally recommend shying away from anything that has fixed borders (4:3 content, for example) for the first couple of hundred hours just in case, but in all my research before buying it I think I only found one person complaining about permanent retention and not many saying they had temporary cases of it either, and that's basically been my own personal experience too. At first I was super nervous about getting it, but I don't even worry about it at this point.
mmazurkiewicz
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The best tv for next-gen will probably be some type of LCD-LED mix, but for current-gen I'd go for the Organic Light Emitting Diode Television.
Each pixel makes it's own light, which means no back-light, which means no screen burn, plus the picture is a bit brighter.
OLED's can also turn their lights off - so black is black.
If you've got money for water - go 4K OLED.
Oh yeah, almost forgot....
..Those concept drawings over there - that's 'next-gen'
My PS4 and your Xbox One - that's 'current-gen'
And my Xbox 360 and your PS3 - well that's last-gen...just saying
so good...
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Oooh that's good to know. Before i started using projectors and then LCD/LED, i had been using plasmas, so that should be ok. I never left it on for hours for no reason and if i had played several hours of GTA or any other game, i would use a screensaver option that those tv have, or whatever they are called. So in that regard i should be fine.
I can't wait to see how games like The Witcher 3, MGS5, GTA 5 and so on look on that OLED. I assume it'll be pretty.
My current TV is starting to go and looking at new sets. One I have my eye on is the LG EF9500, which is releasing towards the end of next month.
It is 65" OLED and the previews I have read about it have raved about it. One thing I am worried about though is the input lag. The only current, comparable model (65EG9600) the rating on Displaylag is 56ms.
My current tv isn't even on Displaylag as it's so old (2006 model). Sony KDS-60A2020. The input lag is very minimal from what I can tell. I have only noticed anything when trying to use Tidus' limit break in FF X (the timing with the bar doesn't line up exactly) but I am guessing it is much less than 56ms.
It is 65" OLED and the previews I have read about it have raved about it. One thing I am worried about though is the input lag. The only current, comparable model (65EG9600) the rating on Displaylag is 56ms.
My current tv isn't even on Displaylag as it's so old (2006 model). Sony KDS-60A2020. The input lag is very minimal from what I can tell. I have only noticed anything when trying to use Tidus' limit break in FF X (the timing with the bar doesn't line up exactly) but I am guessing it is much less than 56ms.
Pretty sure the 9600 is only weeks away. I don't know about the other 2, but it can't be too long.
9600 = Curved 4K model that has been available for months.
9500 = Flat 4K model with HDMI 2.0A. It's on various websites (BB, Amazon, etc.) as coming soon. Probably weeks away as Yaari said.
The other two models haven't been added to the LG website yet.
I can't speak for the other ones, but when I called ABT Electronics (large local electronics store) they indicated that the EF9500 is coming in at the end of September.
SlaughterX
Banned
Yeah one if the oled sets at best buy had MAJOR burn in. Worse than later gen plasmas. They really to fix that before I consider buying one but it wouldn't be anytime soon anyway as I just bought a 4k led
Also for some reason arc will not pass the audio signal from my tv to avr, I've tried everything. This pioneer is weird it does all kinda shit I don't want it to.
Also for some reason arc will not pass the audio signal from my tv to avr, I've tried everything. This pioneer is weird it does all kinda shit I don't want it to.
CrazedArabMan
Member
So I've looked through this thread and I'm getting a new place and believe it is time I joined the larger TV crowd.
So I'm looking at a simple 50 inch TV, preferably a 4K (something somewhat future proof which is why I'm going with a 4K). It will mostly be used for watching movies (no sharp viewing angle, pretty much head on), streaming hockey games from my PC/Surface Pro, possibly using it for some PC and Xbox One games as well (though I'll probably still mostly game on my 27" Samsung since I actually prefer that as a close up monitor/TV).
I'm torn between the Vizio M50-C1 and the Samsung UN50JU6500. I've heard really good things about the Vizio for movies, sports, and games and for the price point 730-750, that's hard to beat though I've never had a Vizio before. However, I use two Samsung monitor/TV combos right now for my PC and Xbox One and I have never had any issue with them. I've heard some bad things about the judder on this particular Samsung when watching movies and such (and movie watching is probably going to be what I use it the most for) and it is a little bit more expensive as well. So I'm probably going to take a look at both of these TV's today and might pick one up since there seems to be a few sales going on.
However, I decided I would hit up this thread to see if anyone can help me out who has either one and might be able to recommend one with what I have listed above, appreciate any help in advance.
So I'm looking at a simple 50 inch TV, preferably a 4K (something somewhat future proof which is why I'm going with a 4K). It will mostly be used for watching movies (no sharp viewing angle, pretty much head on), streaming hockey games from my PC/Surface Pro, possibly using it for some PC and Xbox One games as well (though I'll probably still mostly game on my 27" Samsung since I actually prefer that as a close up monitor/TV).
I'm torn between the Vizio M50-C1 and the Samsung UN50JU6500. I've heard really good things about the Vizio for movies, sports, and games and for the price point 730-750, that's hard to beat though I've never had a Vizio before. However, I use two Samsung monitor/TV combos right now for my PC and Xbox One and I have never had any issue with them. I've heard some bad things about the judder on this particular Samsung when watching movies and such (and movie watching is probably going to be what I use it the most for) and it is a little bit more expensive as well. So I'm probably going to take a look at both of these TV's today and might pick one up since there seems to be a few sales going on.
However, I decided I would hit up this thread to see if anyone can help me out who has either one and might be able to recommend one with what I have listed above, appreciate any help in advance.
WheelHoss1
Member
Pro Tip: if you have a 3D TV, and you're not playing Zombie Army Trilogy, you're missing out.
Cuban Legend
Member
I'm not trying to be rude but where's the love for Gaming Projectors? I just bought an Optoma GT1080 and was considering an Epson HT1085ST (looking for the largest image with the shortest distance, went with the Optoma).
Here's a direct comparison of the two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpkvXi7db8
Here's a direct comparison of the two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpkvXi7db8
lifeexpectancy
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What he said. People said the same shit about plasmas (they still do), and I've never, not once, had any permanent burn-in on my plasma, despite logging 1500 hours a year gaming on it for the past 8 years.
I've been using plasmas since the very first 480p plasmas came out that didn't even have speakers built-in. The only plasma I ever even had TEMPORARY image retention on was said 480p year-one plasma model. Since then, nothing. My current set has never even had temporary IR.
I have no doubt OLEDs will be the same, if at all. I honestly think it's just a smear campaign by the other big TV makers that don't want LG's OLED sets to take off. I mean like one poster above mentioned, it's probably possible for in-store demos where they leave it on vivid, max brightness, and if someone walks up and turns off whatever slideshow they have going it's left with static bars all day that may burn-in, but from general home usage I seriously don't see it as a real concern.
Yeah, I've never had any *permanent* burn-in on mine either. The absolute worst Temporary IR I had was from Destiny (fuck that shitty HUD, seriously) which took 3+ months to disappear after I had stopped playing it. I don't think I've had any other IR last more than a week even on RPGs I put 100-200 hours into on it and at this point nearly any IR fades the day after unless it's got super bright white/yellow UI elements that are up 100% of the time (rare that a UI is that shitty).
Agreed, and i also run Plasma since 2008, not even image retention let alone burn in.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Dealing with any black blotching issues? Thats the biggest issue I worry about, all the showroom LG's at Best Buy are plagued with them, just like the Vita was.
That and Plasma like IR, not the permanent type as I dont fear that, rather I've never seen a Plasma handle quick edits from light to dark well, their is always a slight hold over, its a huge IQ killer to me. Its like a glowing phosphor ghost of the bright previous image.
*sigh*
I fucking hope my plasma doesn't die before OLED proliferation. Gaming lag is hardly my first concern with TV tech, and its a damn shame Plasma tech wasn't lucrative enough to still be around. Sammy's and Panny's last few models were beast mode.
*fingers crossed
That said, I'm certain it'll be my DLP short throw projector that gets replaced first anyway. Hoping we see 4k reach mass market prices in two years.
I fucking hope my plasma doesn't die before OLED proliferation. Gaming lag is hardly my first concern with TV tech, and its a damn shame Plasma tech wasn't lucrative enough to still be around. Sammy's and Panny's last few models were beast mode.
*fingers crossed
That said, I'm certain it'll be my DLP short throw projector that gets replaced first anyway. Hoping we see 4k reach mass market prices in two years.
I have to think you've seen some bunk plasmas then.
WheelHoss1
Member
Narcos in 4K . . . This is the future . . .
Finale Fireworker
Member
While not strictly a gaming question, I could really use some help.
I just bought a 48" Vizio E Series and games look so good on it. I am in awe of how great they look compared to my cheap 37" Vizio from 2011 (before Vizios were good). It's a solid upgrade.
But my HD cable looks awful. At its best, it's as if the whole picture isn't in focus. At its worst, it's a terrible pixely mess. When there is a lot of commotion on screen (such as runway photoshoots on E News), the picture quality degrades to an extremely blocky and pixely nightmare. Otherwise, it just doesn't LOOK right. Motion doesn't look exactly right. The whole image sort of looks dreamy.
And I can't seem to fix it.
I'm using all the same cables and cable box as my old TV, which despite its age, looked great in this regard. Both are 1080p, the cable box is SET to 1080p, and I have gold plated hdmi cables.
I have tried resetting the cable box. I have made sure all the cables are firmly inserted.
But I don't know what else to try. It's really taking the buzz out of buying a new TV. Can anybody help? Troubleshooting through Google yields a lot of results from 2008 and 2012 that aren't applicable.
I was considering trying component cables to see if that image is superior. But I worry that if it looks bad now, it will still look bad with those.
I just bought a 48" Vizio E Series and games look so good on it. I am in awe of how great they look compared to my cheap 37" Vizio from 2011 (before Vizios were good). It's a solid upgrade.
But my HD cable looks awful. At its best, it's as if the whole picture isn't in focus. At its worst, it's a terrible pixely mess. When there is a lot of commotion on screen (such as runway photoshoots on E News), the picture quality degrades to an extremely blocky and pixely nightmare. Otherwise, it just doesn't LOOK right. Motion doesn't look exactly right. The whole image sort of looks dreamy.
And I can't seem to fix it.
I'm using all the same cables and cable box as my old TV, which despite its age, looked great in this regard. Both are 1080p, the cable box is SET to 1080p, and I have gold plated hdmi cables.
I have tried resetting the cable box. I have made sure all the cables are firmly inserted.
But I don't know what else to try. It's really taking the buzz out of buying a new TV. Can anybody help? Troubleshooting through Google yields a lot of results from 2008 and 2012 that aren't applicable.
I was considering trying component cables to see if that image is superior. But I worry that if it looks bad now, it will still look bad with those.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
I have owned a Optoma HD131x for a year, loved it for the few months i used it, but it just wasn't practical in the long run. I did paint my walls and ceiling a dark color, the living room that is, but still for daytime usage it was too bright and the black levels were nowhere near that of a HDTV. Also colours were so much better on a HTDV.
So it looked the best when it was dark as hell here. But when it comes to picture quality, how crisp and clear and impressive a HDTV can look, the projector just couldn't top that and i started missing using a HTDV. Now i do have to mention that i never bought a screen for it, so i was projecting onto my white wall but i doubt a screen would have made all those aspects that much better.
OUCH! Shame you can't just import the US version at a cheaper price! You may want to check out the Samsung UN55JS7000. It's their new "entry level" SUHD set (the "S" doesn't actually stand for anything, but denotes their "nanocrystal" quantum dot tech and high dynamic range). The set here sells for $1299...but knowing EU pricing you are probably at 1500 Euros or so. Not quite as good as their flagship...but I have been considering the 60" version for myself...seems to be a good panel for the buck.
You would be VERY surprised. A GOOD screen can make all the difference in the world! You should check out screeninnovations.com . They have a material they call "Black Diamond" which rejects ambient light and makes projectors practical in a well lit room. They are a bit pricey though...alternatively, they have a new material, Slate, which is much less expensive that also rejects ambient light...the Black Diamond rejects about 85% of ambient light, the Slate is around 65% rejection. Worth a look if you like playing on a REALLY big screen, but don't like having the picture being washed out by ambient light!
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Whenever you upgrade the size and clarity of your television, any flaws in the source material will be amplified and more noticeable. Everything you've described sounds like artifacts from highly compressed video. Your cable operator may be compressing the hell out of the signal to squeeze more channels into the line-up.
Do blu-rays look okay on the new set? If so, I would wager that your TV is okay and you are just dealing with crappy compressed cable channels.
EDIT - Be sure to check your cable box and make sure it is outputting a 1080p (or 1080i) signal to your set. If it is, there is not much else you can do short of going back to a smaller, more forgiving TV.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
I searched for this on a site that lists all the available tv's in my country and i can't find it. My guess is that the model no is different in Europe here. But i don't know how to find out what model no that is for me. Would you know that? I am from Holland.
I've been looking into some other sets and there's this affordable Philips TV. It is from November 2013 though and the input lag is 60ms. That is simply not done for shooters like Halo 5 and Battlefront, right?
Talking about this one:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/philips-55pfl8008-review#tr-review-summary
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
What about this Sony tv guys? How does it compare against a W829b? This one has 4K, not that i care about it.
Sony X8505
Sony X8505
This is probably a stupid question, but I know nothing about the subject
Is there a way of checking if a TV has overscan before buying it? I used to use an old HDTV while at uni and it overscanned and didn't have a way to toggle it off
I'm looking for 1080p TV (will only use it for PS3/PS4/Wii U) so I don't think 4k will be necessary, but I'm kind of worried I'll get something and be stuck with the overscan issue again
Probably looking at around 50 inches as I've found a few in that size for £300 ish
Is there a way of checking if a TV has overscan before buying it? I used to use an old HDTV while at uni and it overscanned and didn't have a way to toggle it off
I'm looking for 1080p TV (will only use it for PS3/PS4/Wii U) so I don't think 4k will be necessary, but I'm kind of worried I'll get something and be stuck with the overscan issue again
Probably looking at around 50 inches as I've found a few in that size for £300 ish
Panasonic oled is finally here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1WtTKCJGTQ
IFA keynote starts 3pm Berlin time. About 30 minutes from now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1WtTKCJGTQ
IFA keynote starts 3pm Berlin time. About 30 minutes from now.
I just bought a Sony Bravia KDL-43W756c.
Love it, a solid upgrade over my elderly Samsung. The picture quality is superb, black is black, white is white. Its also a sexy looking TV.
My only minor gripe is that the smart features have yet to convince me they're that smart. Whilst its very nice having Netflix via WiFi on a button on the remote, the TV has lost the WiFi settings twice in 4 days which is a mild annoyance, and trying to run the BBC app crashed the entire TV. Maybe its just flakey Android, I don't know. I updated the software which might resolve a few issues anyway.
The 'Game' picture setting seems wrong though, the whites are far too warm. I've been around all the picture set ups and just come back to 'Standard' which looks great for all applications.
Love it, a solid upgrade over my elderly Samsung. The picture quality is superb, black is black, white is white. Its also a sexy looking TV.
My only minor gripe is that the smart features have yet to convince me they're that smart. Whilst its very nice having Netflix via WiFi on a button on the remote, the TV has lost the WiFi settings twice in 4 days which is a mild annoyance, and trying to run the BBC app crashed the entire TV. Maybe its just flakey Android, I don't know. I updated the software which might resolve a few issues anyway.
The 'Game' picture setting seems wrong though, the whites are far too warm. I've been around all the picture set ups and just come back to 'Standard' which looks great for all applications.
.MisterJoynt
Neo Member
The return of the king, I have been waiting for Panasonic to finally get their shit in gear once more.
Edit:
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-65cz950-4k-uhd-oled-review.11860
Edit:
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-65cz950-4k-uhd-oled-review.11860
FrankNitty
Member
So good. Shit is probably going to be mad expensive though, I'm happy there is another option now though and that it is panasonic, sad that I have the 6k I need waiting for the EF series LG...now I have to see if I will need more then that for the panasonic for whenever that comes out.
MisterJoynt
Neo Member
Modified LG panels though.
I'm not only excited for this, but excited to see what the trickle down will be to models other than a flagship.
I'm not only excited for this, but excited to see what the trickle down will be to models other than a flagship.
I have to imagine the LG panels are stock and its the electronics and software behind them making the difference. I cant imagine panasonic is having LG do custom panels with things LG isn't implementing into their own.
MisterJoynt
Neo Member
If you can change HOW the panel is utilized and what sort of processing you have within the TV a slight change to the panel could make all the difference. Especially if Panasonic is actually using the OLED panel as the primary panel, unlike how LG uses the OLED panel as a backlight.
Tarin02543
Member
What I have recently learned is that the LG oled panels are white oled pixels with filters. A true RGB oled panel has RGB oled pixels, together producing white light. The only company to have made available RGBOLED is Samsung (2013).
ACH1LL3US
Member
I tested it with the Leo Bodnar and got 29ms for the middle bar, pics are in my posts in this thread back in Sept 2014...
You have to first put the tv in game mode, turn off all extra screen processing then change input to pc then remove all picture processing, you can even get it alittle lower by turning off the speakers (2-3ms).
Problem with the lg oled i had was the vertical banding, it was atrocious. Hdtvtest shows a good example of this on a grey screen. I saw the vertical banding whenever the picture pan from left to right or right to left, so racing games, 2d scollers and fps you would see it. Think of sharp panels, alot of them have vertical banding and it is a real downer and takes you out of the experience.
Also the lg oleds on display at best buy have burn in on them, I have seen it on three of them. Now they run these in torch mode so I am not convinced it would happen in a home enviornment with correct settings but it is still a cause for concern.
Otherwise oled has no overdrive errors so the image looks supremely clean in motion, both 30 and 60fps games. I would take the oled over any plasma ever made period! I have many top end plasmas like the elite pro101 etc isf calibrated and still would choose the lg oled anyday. At $2k even with its issues it is the best buy out there for videophiles. Play metro 2033 in putch black and you will see the light... Or the absence of it ;p
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
So even with the issues it is still that good huh? Would you say that picture quality wise it's the very best so far? It's a shame i can't try the TV out myself, since it's mostly webshops that have the TV. I need to make sure when i buy the TV that it's from a store that accepts returns. So just in case i don't like the TV or anything, it's always good to have that guarantee that they allow me to demo it for myself.
I sure hope i get a set that don't have this banding issues though, cause that kind of stuff can really distract me and i've seen it on several TV's in the past. But then again, each TV has issues, there is no perfect one. That being said, after now having owned several TV's and returning them qúite shortly, because of disappointing picture quality or issues, i now want to make sure to get one awesome ass TV and i keep hearing from people that this OLED is just crazy.
I think i should just be patient and not go look for any other TV. I am tired of the long search too. Man i hate this, being so picky and just not being ok with a TV i choose. Sigh.
ACH1LL3US
Member
No tv is perfect, each has their issues. I cant stand banding, vertical banding is the worse and the LG oled had it as bad as the 2008-9sharp panels.. But it is still the best 1080p tv money can buy. I do feel the 4k oled 55 inch had much better uniformity but the input lag is alot higher if your concerned about gaming on it.
I would buy it from a place that is easy to return it in case you cant deal with the banding or aggressive ABL.
Otherwise I love that display, playing games in pitch black is really something special on it!!
MaxwellParrish
Member
Sorry,but can you give a range for what you means with "bit pricey"? I tried to look in their website but I wasn't able to get a result and I don't have the faintest idea of what price a screen can reach.