Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Dr. Zoidberg
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Most TV's follow the VESA wall-mounting standards, so yes (300 x 200 mm)
I would hold off for the OLED, I have found it a fantastic upgrade from Plasma displays.
The picture out the box needs a bit of tweaking depending on what source they are being fed, but once you have your settings set, nothing comes close.
Dark games look at their absolute best.
Karl_Dilkington7
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I'm thinking of getting a 4K TV and I was mostly interested in the Vizio M50-C1. I was wondering if it can do 1440p at 60hz? I keep getting conflicting reports that it can do that resolution (weirdly, only if you use DVI to HDMI) and some others saying that it can not (only 1440p at 30hz).
Of course, I know that you have to use HDMI 2.0 for 4K at 60hz and 1080p at 120hz. I just really wish I knew if I could do 1440p at 60hz.
Also, I'm looking into the Samsung UN50JU6500 (2015 model) and noticed that it supports 4:4:4 chroma. Will 4:4:4 chroma add more response delay if it's enabled?
Of course, I know that you have to use HDMI 2.0 for 4K at 60hz and 1080p at 120hz. I just really wish I knew if I could do 1440p at 60hz.
Also, I'm looking into the Samsung UN50JU6500 (2015 model) and noticed that it supports 4:4:4 chroma. Will 4:4:4 chroma add more response delay if it's enabled?
DOT DASH DOT
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In short yes, the 2015 Samsung models that support 4:4:4 only do it in PC mode, and it's around 65ms on the 9000 set, 25ms game mode without 4:4:4. It's one of the things that's really putting me off buying any of this years models, as full chroma is really important to me, as is low input lag, I just hope next years models sort this issue out. Sony's 2015 sets don't support 4:4:4 4K full stop.
They do now, check the rtings.com reviews. A firmware update was released in the past month or so allowing for 4:4:4/4K/60Hz.
DOT DASH DOT
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Ah ok that's cool, it's kind of a biggy! Does it add a lot of input lag? Think the Sony's are around 35ms as is.
Haint
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The 55" and smaller Vizio M's actually DO NOT support native 120Hz 1080p as they're technically 60Hz panels. As I understand it, they will accept 120Hz inputs/signals, but toss out every other frame or do black frame insertion or something on the processing side. Real, native 120Hz is limited to 60" and larger.
Karl_Dilkington7
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Tatsumi Oga
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Yeah I saw Tomb Raider in a YouTube video on this TV and I've never seen it look that dark, but in a good way. Looks great. I bet the nighttime in GTA5 will look lovely too. And that dude didn't even change any settings except he used the TV's Game mode. A guy on AVS said ISF 1 was great too. But once I have the TV, I'll be sure to check for settings here and if need be, ask for them.
JudgmentJay
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Got my JS9500 today... Not gonna lie, I'm extremely impressed. I can say that FALD technology has come a long way since 2011 and the Sony HX929. I tried out a ton of content looking for blooming and much to my surprise it was extremely hard to notice even on super high contrast stuff like Gravity and certain scenes in the later Harry Potter movies. Of course off-angle is a different story. The more off angle you are the worse the blooming becomes. Non-issue for me though since I'm dead center 99.9% of the time. Also, low APL scenes look straight up better than they did on the Kuro. The opening of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince for example looked ridiculously good. I'd go so far as to say this TV is better than my 500M, and it's not even calibrated yet! I never thought I'd see the day that I like an LED TV more than a last-generation Pioneer Kuro.
Gaming-wise, I can confirm that enabling FALD doesn't add any perceivable input lag, so you don't have to sacrifice image quality for that delicious ~25ms latency. I went down into the Catacombs and Tomb of the Giants in Dark Souls and holy moly it looked great.
Rather than sell it and pick up an EF9500 like I was planning, I think I'll hang onto it and let OLED mature a bit more before making the transition.
Gaming-wise, I can confirm that enabling FALD doesn't add any perceivable input lag, so you don't have to sacrifice image quality for that delicious ~25ms latency. I went down into the Catacombs and Tomb of the Giants in Dark Souls and holy moly it looked great.
Rather than sell it and pick up an EF9500 like I was planning, I think I'll hang onto it and let OLED mature a bit more before making the transition.
SilentRage47
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I bought this TV and coming from a Samsung ES5500 it's night and day. Picture quality is pretty good. The only issue I found it's some banding on dark grey background, it's disturbing but it's pretty common these days.
Installed my Ec930V yesterday. What a beast.
I was a bit disappointes on the default settings ( very dim image ) but after a few tweaks it started to shine. Really impressive. Only disappointing thing is the halved resolution on 3D. It's my first passive 3D tv and I didn't think I would notice the resolution drop that much. On the good side, it makes for some really light (and cheap) glasses.
As for the tv, contrast is without surprise incredible, colors pop, definition is satisfying. Only motion tech is a bit behind what Samsung do.
I was a bit disappointes on the default settings ( very dim image ) but after a few tweaks it started to shine. Really impressive. Only disappointing thing is the halved resolution on 3D. It's my first passive 3D tv and I didn't think I would notice the resolution drop that much. On the good side, it makes for some really light (and cheap) glasses.
As for the tv, contrast is without surprise incredible, colors pop, definition is satisfying. Only motion tech is a bit behind what Samsung do.
DOT DASH DOT
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Very nice man, great TV! I'm just gutted they don't do a 55" version, but no one does with FALD (that actually works), maybe next year when I'm buying 4K........
lifeexpectancy
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Do you know which of the smaller/cheaper Samsung models are on-par with that one in regards to FALD and input lag? My max budget is $3000 so the JS9500 is out for me. I have an LG 55EF9500 ordered, but if I can get a similarly sized Samsung that looks good (although not as good as the OLED would) with good motion interpolation and input lag in GAME mode with FALD enabled, I might opt for that while waiting for OLED to mature a bit as you mentioned.
JudgmentJay
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I'm not super familiar with Samsung's lineup to be honest, or LEDs in general. I only got this TV because it was the best option that Samsung gave me for a replacement for my defective F8500 plasma. I know that Cleveland Plasma is selling the 65" for $3,500, and I've seen people saying you can get it for as low as $3,000. Check out this forum for really good LED deals: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/197-lcd-flat-panel-great-found-deals/.
That said, you can't enable motion interpolation in game mode on this set, and I'm pretty sure doing so on most other TVs increases the input lag considerably. The Vizio M-series looks to be one of the best at ~45ms with game mode+interpolation.
Pagusas
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Their are no other Samsungs on par with the 9500 in regard to FALD.
SlaughterX
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Get a credit card? I'm happy with my 55 inch Samsung ju7100, got it on Amazon for $1400 with 2 years no interest.
Tatsumi Oga
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At this moment i am in a position that i am not allowed a credit card, when i said i had a unfortunete setback i meant that i have no job atm. Ah well, always look at the bright side of life right?
I have a lot of money already saved up for the TV and as long as the other more important things are not in danger, so to speak, i'm good.
As for the OLED. This store here now has it for 1850 euros, but it's a showroom set and they are not able to tell me how many hours it has been on. Nah i rather pay that extra 100 euros or even 200 (if the price goes up...and it will) for a brand new one.
DJ Lushious
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The JS9500 is a great HDTV. Like you said, off-angle viewing is really bad. And I was not fan of the curved screen throwing reflections across it.
The JS9500 produces a gorgeous picture, no doubt about that. But bests the Kuro 500m? When comparing my Kuro Pro-111fd to the JS9500, the Kuro still offered a better overall picture to me.
I wound up returning my JS9500. I am waiting for the 4Ks to fully support the new specs of 4k Blu and the HDR standards. The JS9500 hits about ~70% of the color space in DCI P3 / Rec.2020, and much less than that for Dolby Vision. I just couldn't justify a $5000 HDTV that wasn't future-proof in the immediate future.
DOT DASH DOT
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I used to have a Pro 111fd, and even though it produced an amazing picture, it definitely lacked clarity and sharpness, for gaming anyway. LCD's are better for gaming from a sharpness perspective. Plasma's are more geared towards movies, and I think that's what worries me about OLED, I don't want a soft PQ for playing games.
JudgmentJay
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I should have worded that better... of course if I look at it objectively, the 500M is the better TV. My 500M has better shadow detail, better motion, is blooming-free, and has 0 DSE. The JS9500 has a noticeable amount of DSE, but then again what TVs don't these days? That said the JS9500 does have its advantages as well. Better contrast in low-APL scenes, better input lag (only slightly), and better daytime viewing.
I think after 4 years with a plasma that was only calibrated for night-time viewing, I'm just in love with how bright the TV can get. I wouldn't have bought this TV if I was looking for a long-term display, but I'm not going to say no to a $5k TV that I got as a replacement for a defective TV that I only paid $2k for. I was basically just looking for a 65"+ hold-me-over until large OLEDs are more affordable. The JS9500 is probably about as good as it gets for that criteria. It helps that viewing angle and reflections are a non-issue in my viewing environment!
Jigolo
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Fixed that for you.
It's funny, I've seen people comment on this thread multiple times with the same exact comment. But I have yet to see a top of the line 70 inch LCD TV with all those features at an "affordable" range and here we are in late 2015. And that tech is old as fuck.
If we take a look at the grand scheme of things, OLED is dropping in price just as quickly if not faster than LCD TVs.
The PQ on my EC9300 is anything but soft. I have never seen a Pioneer plasma so I can't compare there, but there's no lack of sharpness compared to an LCD.
Also, the detail exposed on an OLED is insane. If your source isn't up to par it will definitely expose more flaws than your standard LCD would.
Haint
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Define affordable, cause by GAF standards, $10,000 is affordable. I was just chastised for suggesting that's not a competitive price and is super rich niche territory.
JudgmentJay
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The LG OLEDs are super crisp. That said, I'm assuming the "soft picture" on your 111fd is a result of 720p games getting overscanned. I know on the 500M, non-1080p sources got overscanned and there was no option to disable it. Of course that resulted in a very slightly softer image. 1080p sources looked perfect though. So long as your display is of respectable quality, I don't think sharpness/clarity is an issue regardless of the technology.
DOT DASH DOT
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I wish I could say I've seen a game played on a OLED, but I haven't, but I do intend to before I purchase next year. Hopefully Panasonic and LG will bring the goods with some new sets, and get that lag down.
No it was with 1080p games from my PC, I'm not saying it was mega soft, but since I bought a W900a it made me realise that the LCD was clearer, but having said that the motion res was a lot higher on the pioneer. I guess it's always a trade-off with these TV technologies. I loved my Pioneer until it developed red blacks and forced my hand to get rid.
JudgmentJay
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Weird. I can't say 1080p sources (including my PC) were ever soft on the 500M, and once I upscaled using my receiver to get around the overscanning, sub-1080p sources were great as well. I see no difference in clarity between the Kuro and the JS9500.
DJ Lushious
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I didn't mean to come off as overly critical. It's worth repeating that the JS9500 produces an absolutely gorgeous picture. I was impressed and when it comes to LCD HDTVs I tend to turn up my nose at them. Like you also said, the input lag is excellent, as well. In addition, I like Samsung's idea of having the connect box do the processing and making it upgradeable.
FrankNitty
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Went to bby to do an in store pick up and looked at the js9500 and it really is a nice display. They finally set up their ef9500 also and I would honestly say if I wasn't getting an oled and I was in the market for a new display that would be one of the first I would look at.
Tatsumi Oga
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Ooooh snapzzzz!
The EC9300 is 1899 now until Sunday, normally it costs 2199 there and in other stores 1965 or so was the lowest so far before this. This is damn nice and I only need about 160 euros more for it. Let's see what I can do.
The EC9300 is 1899 now until Sunday, normally it costs 2199 there and in other stores 1965 or so was the lowest so far before this. This is damn nice and I only need about 160 euros more for it. Let's see what I can do.
Anyone know if you can still get the Best Buy movers pack coupon by just walking in to a post office? I think I might go buy a TV today, but don't want to go through the trouble of creating an online mail redirect and then canceling it to get the printable pdf... mostly because I don't actually have a printer at home so would have to go to a kinkos or something.
MAX PAYMENT
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Can I get some opinions on the Samsung un55j6200afxza?
Tatsumi Oga
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The OLED is mine. I could not pass on this offer. I decided to sell my New 3DS XL and before Ninty fans go all ''Noooo...why the hell would you do that?'' , i barely play on it, honestly all my gaming time goes to Xbox One and with Fallout 4 coming soon, but of course also Halo 5, Battlefront and Rise of the Tomb Raider....the 3DS is never going to be used. I can always get one later again to finish the few games i have. This was the money i needed.
It's paid in full, ready to be delivered monday or tuesday. Hellz yeah!
It's paid in full, ready to be delivered monday or tuesday. Hellz yeah!
Congrats, you're in for a treat !
Cool. I also got a 3DS lying around and I don't do much with it. I've been selling a ton of stuff preparing for a new TV next year, the 3DS might go soon too.
Apparently a nearby store has the EG960V up on display. I'd like to see that one so probably going to look at it. Still not sure about gaming on OLEDs though. But it will be fun to see a 4k OLED, most I've seen were 1080p thus far.
Apparently a nearby store has the EG960V up on display. I'd like to see that one so probably going to look at it. Still not sure about gaming on OLEDs though. But it will be fun to see a 4k OLED, most I've seen were 1080p thus far.
Tatsumi Oga
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Oh i bet! Been gaming on this 22inch monitor from BenQ, and i have been staying away from games like Witcher 3 and Batman until i got the new TV. I can't wait to see how those games look, and of course GTA V and the upcoming games. Shame the NFS beta will be gone by that time...ah well.
Haha so i am not the only one selling unneeded stuff. You do get to a point where you just can't sell much stuff anymore. I was planning on selling my nice headphones that i use for my music, but decided not too. I might regret that and i don't want that. Plus for the N3DSXL i only had the two Zelda games and the Ace Attorney games, but as great as they are...i find myself not having nor taking the time for it. And these games can always be finished sometime in the future, i can always buy one again.
By the way...
for a 55 inch screen, what would be the ideal seating distance?
BigWeather
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Tempted to get a Sony XBR65X850C 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart LED TV. Decent TV? My criteria is wall-mountable, 60"+, 4K. I don't care about 3D. I'll be using it to game and watch TV (streaming, cable, and blu-ray). I'll also have to get a receiver for it that has at least 5 HDMI inputs -- any recommendations? Thanks!
Jigolo
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http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-brand/sony/x850c
Actually what luck lol, just saw this: http://slickdeals.net/f/8140982-65-...led-120hz-4k-ultra-hd-hdtv-1800-free-shipping
Congrats. If you paid the full $5K for it then you might want to keep an eye on pricing in the next week or so. Samsung has been putting them on sale at the beginning of every month so you might be able to get some money back. If the OLED comes down to $5K and Vizio rolls out the R series next week, Sammy may need to get more aggressive on pricing.
My mindset has been slowly moving in this direction as well. UHD Blu-ray has been pushed back to early 2016 so we'll see a huge push at CES along with the 2016 model televisions. Improvements will be made to color gamut and HDR. With all studios supporting Dolby Vision I would expect more widespread adoption in hardware. Current OLED models can only do about 400-500 nits for HDR. LG showed off a prototype last CES that will do 800 nits that I would expect to be used in the 2016 models.
Unless my current set completely dies then I'm going to wait for new models.
Congrats.
Bornstellar
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Welcome to the club. Now spend some time properly adjusting the display.
lifeexpectancy
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Picked up the LG 55" EF9500 OLED. It's amazing.
Did a stress test, over 12 straight hours playing Neverwinter with its permanent HUD on-screen. Had some minor image retention (couldn't even see it watching netflix at normal viewing distance). Image retention faded within an hour or two.
I think if it can hold up to that HUD for 12 straight hours and only have IR but no permanent burn-in on a brand-new set, it's good to go man.
Input lag is totally playable, didn't even really notice it playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
Did a stress test, over 12 straight hours playing Neverwinter with its permanent HUD on-screen. Had some minor image retention (couldn't even see it watching netflix at normal viewing distance). Image retention faded within an hour or two.
I think if it can hold up to that HUD for 12 straight hours and only have IR but no permanent burn-in on a brand-new set, it's good to go man.
Input lag is totally playable, didn't even really notice it playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
BigWeather
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Awesome site, and looks to be a decent score -- excepting sound, which I don't care about since I use a receiver and the TV won't do any sound. Torn on that deal vs. Amazon's $2300 price mainly because Amazon has a deal for free mounting (including hardware) -- will likely be a wash.
That's a hell of a stress test. Enough to permanently damage a plasma TV. Yikes! Good to know that OLED is less-sensitive to burn-in.
FrankNitty
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Nice congrats
My 65" has a delivery date of the 7th. It cannot come soon enough