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Wow suddenly all kinds of people after the TV I've been eyeing for months haha.

The only concern I have with that TV is input lag. I saw some issues about AVSForums with these screens but I realized I don't even notice that stuff.

I do however play games online that will require me to react quickly and I'm not too sure what the result of input lag will be when I do so.

Hopefully going to see the EG9500 tomorrow which should give me a good idea about the picture quality of the EF9500 too.
 
BigWeather said:
Awesome site, and looks to be a decent score -- excepting sound, which I don't care about since I use a receiver and the TV won't do any sound. Torn on that deal vs. Amazon's $2300 price mainly because Amazon has a deal for free mounting (including hardware) -- will likely be a wash.
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Yeah, it should be very good, I love my 55" 850C so far.
 
Bornstellar said:
Welcome to the club. Now spend some time properly adjusting the display.
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I definitely will. I value picture quality big time, so much that I sold my Sony W829 because Game mode degraded the PQ too much, but I did need that low input lag. That wasn't the only reason though, for a change I really wanted something different, new tech. I hope to find the perfect settings for the LG so that both PQ and input lag are great for games like Halo 5 and Battlefront. My plan is to first use the default settings and see how that looks and plays and from there change settings that were posted here.
 
On day 2 with my 55EG9100. This thing is a beast! I'm coming from a mid-grade 2010 Panasonic plasma, so this is a hell of an upgrade.

First thing I did was set all the console inputs to PC mode, then game mode. The game mode picture is...ok. I could get used to it, but I knew it could do better so I went to expert 2 and calibrated from there. Made a world of a difference and the input lag is great, no noticeable difference between game mode and my custom expert 2. I don't have a leo bodnar or anything to test it with, but it felt better than my old plasma. Probably in the mid 30s like the EC9300. Playing MGSV on the PS4 feels fantastic. Booted up GTAV on the Xbone for a 30fps test and it looks and plays wonderfully there too. So much detail driving around at night that I've never noticed before.

After a little MGS, I decided to pop a few blu-rays in. HOOOOOOLY SHIT. First up was Skyfall and I nearly fell off the couch. I swear it didn't even look this good in the theater. After trying out a few scenes, I popped in How to Train Your Dragon 2 to get a feel for what animated films will look like. I was not disappointed, felt like I was sitting in an IMAX theater. And this is all just from the PS4 with the same settings I used for gaming!

WebOS2.0 is awesome too. Sometimes I feel like it doesn't register the input from the remote, as some things take an extra click or 2, but it's not often and is otherwise pretty snappy.

I didn't notice any significant screen door effect going on unless I stood 2 feet away. From normal sitting distance it wasn't there, to me at least. The only con for me is the big one from the EC9300, and that's the motion judder. It's definitely noticeable in the background for fast motion scenes or camera pans. Same for 30FPS games. If I turn the camera really fast in GTAV, I could see the background not refreshing as fast as the foreground. It's a non-problem for 60FPS games (MGSV on PS4 did not have this). It's one of those things that you'll notice if you look for it, but doesn't ruin the experience unless you're really that picky. If you plan to PC game and run everything at 60FPS this is a non-issue.

OLED is the real deal. Unless you've been spoiled by top of the line plasmas the last couple of years, it will blow your mind.

Bonus: I store all my media files on an external hard drive, which I use to stream to my Fire TV via Plex. This TV plays them all at amazing quality provided the files have a good bit rate. Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America could have passed for blu ray. Being able to play all my files without going through Plex and its inconsistencies is so big for me.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Picked up the LG 55" EF9500 OLED. It's amazing.

Did a stress test, over 12 straight hours playing Neverwinter with its permanent HUD on-screen. Had some minor image retention (couldn't even see it watching netflix at normal viewing distance). Image retention faded within an hour or two.

I think if it can hold up to that HUD for 12 straight hours and only have IR but no permanent burn-in on a brand-new set, it's good to go man.

Input lag is totally playable, didn't even really notice it playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
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Keep in mind burn in is cumulative. It doesn't have to be in one sitting.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
I definitely will. I value picture quality big time, so much that I sold my Sony W829 because Game mode degraded the PQ too much, but I did need that low input lag. That wasn't the only reason though, for a change I really wanted something different, new tech. I hope to find the perfect settings for the LG so that both PQ and input lag are great for games like Halo 5 and Battlefront. My plan is to first use the default settings and see how that looks and plays and from there change settings that were posted here.
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Remember to name your HDMI port 1 as PC. Then use game mode, that brings the to about 30ms.

I use the mystify screensaver on windows 10 to make sure to get the brightness spot on.
 
What the hell, a year ago oled was a pipedream for many people in this thread and now almost every post is an OLED pick up story. These things are selling like hot cakes

I myself will wait for an 2-2.5k € Panasonic oled, I'd say perhaps in four years
 
Hi everyone,

Im not on the biggest budget but in the market for a new tv.

I find the Samsung UE40H6240 to be attractive looking and the reviews of the tv are good.

However, Im unable to find the response times for this tv. This is one of the most important features concerning games am I right?

Are there other features I should think of, and would you recommend this tv? I can get it for less than 500 euro now.

any help would be appreciated.
 
Has anyone got any idea when the EF and EG9500 will be available in the UK? Can't seem to find the answer, but John Lewis are selling the bracket for it.......
Also can't find the Vesa rating, just says Vesa on LG's site, irritating.
 
I think my EC930V has a yellow banding issue. There is a yellow band of about 30% of the screen width where there is a yellow-ish tint. It's particularly visible when the settings are open, the right side of it is yellow-ish. Is that a known issue ?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
What is considered the ideal distance to sit away from a 55 inch screen?
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THX says 1.2x the diagonal measurement of the screen is the optimal distance to sit. Others say up to 2.6x.
Close is good for movies but with fast moving games it's a bit different. If you are sitting so close that your eyes have to move to a different part of the screen, then that will impact your reaction times, as you can't actually see while your eyes are moving (you can test this by looking in a mirror and trying to see your eyes move at all), these movements are called 'saccades', and you probably don't want to be adding on to the already constant, involuntary saccades that you do by sitting so close that you have to sweep your gaze over a long distance.

I may be going off on a tangent here...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
 
Do we have an AV thread here on Gaf?

I received my Vizio M65-C1 on Friday, hooked it all up, only to discover my receiver does not support HDCP 2.2 (I swore it did via a firmware update, but I was wrong).
I currently have a Sony STR DN1040 receiver, and looks like I need a new one if I want to take advantage of 4K.

What is so damn disappointing is I can get the TV to flash 2160 on the XBox One, but as soon as I click on accept these settings, it reverts back to 1080p.

This is all my fault I suppose, but I would really love to take advantage of the 4K.

I was thinking though, I could just hook my One and PS4 directly to the TV and use Optical out for the audio right? It is not ideal, but it should work, or at least I think it should.

However if we have an AV thread and someone can point me in the right direction as to what is a good receiver that will not break the bank that supports HDCP 2.2.
 
How much better can OLED even be? I just got my new Sony 55 inch and with the correct calibration and gamma the blacks are really awesome. Compared to my 7 year old 32 inch LG, this almost feels like OLED.
 
Nakkilokki said:
How much better can OLED even be? I just got my new Sony 55 inch and with the correct calibration and gamma the blacks are really awesome. Compared to my 7 year old 32 inch LG, this almost feels like OLED.
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With displays, you just need to see things for yourself.
 
Filter said:
THX says 1.2x the diagonal measurement of the screen is the optimal distance to sit. Others say up to 2.6x.
Close is good for movies but with fast moving games it's a bit different. If you are sitting so close that your eyes have to move to a different part of the screen, then that will impact your reaction times, as you can't actually see while your eyes are moving (you can test this by looking in a mirror and trying to see your eyes move at all), these movements are called 'saccades', and you probably don't want to be adding on to the already constant, involuntary saccades that you do by sitting so close that you have to sweep your gaze over a long distance.

I may be going off on a tangent here...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
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Oh boy i am not too good with that stuff, haha. With my previous 50 incher i sat like 3 to 4 meters away from the screen.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
What is considered the ideal distance to sit away from a 55 inch screen?
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I sit 8 feet away from my 55". My vision is perfect with contacts/glasses, though. Detail is great at that distance and movies, games look great.

Edit: Make that 9ft. I just measured. New couch I bought in May has me sitting back a little more.
 
Nakkilokki said:
How much better can OLED even be? I just got my new Sony 55 inch and with the correct calibration and gamma the blacks are really awesome. Compared to my 7 year old 32 inch LG, this almost feels like OLED.
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If you're happy with what you have then stop wondering what else is out there and just enjoy your television. There's always going to be something measurably better in some specific way.
 
Majanew said:
I sit 8 feet away from my 55". My vision is perfect with contacts/glasses, though. Detail is great at that distance and movies, games look great.

Edit: Make that 9ft. I just measured. New couch I bought in May has me sitting back a little more.
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Ok thanks man. That's actually quite close. But on the other hand, i've seen some people sit like 13 tot 14 feet away from a 55 or even 50 inch and that's just way too much of a distance.
 
I don't understand ... A few days ago my receiver (Pionner vsx-928) hdmi out seemed to break. Nothing coming out of hdmi 1 after a thunderstorm. My insurance took over and replaced with a vsx-1130. Today I plug everything, and once again nothing comes out of the hdmi 1 port. The hdmi 2 (zoneHD) works fine. I've tried everything (different displays, settings, factory reset, electrical reset...) but Not a single image from this hdmi out.
Am I incredibly unlucky on this guys? Or totally missing something ?
 
Nakkilokki said:
How much better can OLED even be? I just got my new Sony 55 inch and with the correct calibration and gamma the blacks are really awesome. Compared to my 7 year old 32 inch LG, this almost feels like OLED.
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With OLED, when watching dark scenes, the brightest thing in the room is probably your walls.
 
dsk1210 said:
Remember to name your HDMI port 1 as PC. Then use game mode, that brings the to about 30ms.
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More specifically, set the icon to PC. Just changing the name wont do the trick.

Tatsumi Oga said:
What is considered the ideal distance to sit away from a 55 inch screen?
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I prefer 8-9 feet away.

Fox1304 said:
I think my EC930V has a yellow banding issue. There is a yellow band of about 30% of the screen width where there is a yellow-ish tint. It's particularly visible when the settings are open, the right side of it is yellow-ish. Is that a known issue ?
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That doesn't sound right at all. I hope you're still under warranty.
 
EasyMode said:
More specifically, set the icon to PC. Just changing the name wont do the trick.



I prefer 8-9 feet away.



That doesn't sound right at all. I hope you're still under warranty.
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Can you still use different picture modes like Expert 2 and still have game and pc mode enabled? Cause i heard game mode is not the best for PQ, but you do need it for low input lag along with pc mode.
 
Fox1304 said:
I think my EC930V has a yellow banding issue. There is a yellow band of about 30% of the screen width where there is a yellow-ish tint. It's particularly visible when the settings are open, the right side of it is yellow-ish. Is that a known issue ?
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It's a known issue, I've been reading AVSforums and plenty of people are getting the yellow band on the right side with their new EF and EG9500. I'd get on to LG, apparently a guy named Robert at LG said they'll sort out anyone with the yellow and other screen uniformity issues out. As they have identified what the problem is. Gotta say reading the owners forum has completely put me off getting one, and with the money they cost, damn awful.
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
It's a known issue, I've been reading AVSforums and plenty of people are getting the yellow band on the right side with their new EF and EG9500. I'd get on to LG, apparently a guy named Robert at LG said they'll sort out anyone with the yellow and other screen uniformity issues out. As they have identified what the problem is. Gotta say reading the owners forum has completely put me off getting one, and with the money they cost, damn awful.
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That's really promising though. Glad they're being proactive about it.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
Can you still use different picture modes like Expert 2 and still have game and pc mode enabled? Cause i heard game mode is not the best for PQ, but you do need it for low input lag along with pc mode.
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No, it would be PC + Expert or PC + Game, but not both. Game mode lacks white balance correction, it has a color temperature slider instead.
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
It's a known issue, I've been reading AVSforums and plenty of people are getting the yellow band on the right side with their new EF and EG9500. I'd get on to LG, apparently a guy named Robert at LG said they'll sort out anyone with the yellow and other screen uniformity issues out. As they have identified what the problem is. Gotta say reading the owners forum has completely put me off getting one, and with the money they cost, damn awful.
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Yes I was looking at all this.
It's a bit similar to those here : http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/1653657-lg-55ec9300-55-oled-owners-only-thread-78.html#/forumsite/3207/topics/1653657?page=78

It's either yellow in the middle or purple on the sides, and can't see it when I'm not on a full white screen, but still ...
Thanks for the tip, will try to get a hold of this Robert ;)
 
Fox1304 said:
I don't understand ... A few days ago my receiver (Pionner vsx-928) hdmi out seemed to break. Nothing coming out of hdmi 1 after a thunderstorm. My insurance took over and replaced with a vsx-1130. Today I plug everything, and once again nothing comes out of the hdmi 1 port. The hdmi 2 (zoneHD) works fine. I've tried everything (different displays, settings, factory reset, electrical reset...) but Not a single image from this hdmi out.
Am I incredibly unlucky on this guys? Or totally missing something ?
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Tried different hdmi cables? Also, you're using a surge protector I hope.
 
JudgmentJay said:
That's really promising though. Glad they're being proactive about it.
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Oh yeah definitely, it's just disheartening to hear these issues with what's supposed to be the 'holy grail' of TV, and especially that LG has had quite a lot of practice with the technology. We need other players like Panasonic/Sony etc to start producing OLED's (not $10k ones) even if they all source from LG to give them so bloody competition, it just feels like to me, an average company that makes average TV's get hold of a potentially awesome technology, and because they're not great they just can't produce the goods.....
 
Sounds like this guy has the same problem

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...led-lg-55ec9300-part-ii-144.html#post37781937

Man that stuff is quite hateful. Especially when you shell out so much money for a TV. It's good to hear LG is on it though, hopefully that means LG Holland is like that as well. If i get similar issues that is, of course. I remember when i had a Panasonic VT30 and it had the green tinge/blob fault, making snow in Skyrim look weird and off as hell, but not only that, also just in general it ruined it. On top of that there was plenty of vertical banding. Panasonic had no idea what to do about it and it was hell to actually return the TV to the store. Boy i so hope i won't get any of that shit.

Fox1304 said:
Strange. When I did this my ps4 went all wrong With the black levels. And to get back to real black I had to force deep color and full rgb from the settings of the console.
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This makes me wonder, does the OLED have a HDMI color space (that's how it's called on Xbox One) and i believe dynamic range on most TV's, right?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
Sounds like this guy has the same problem

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...led-lg-55ec9300-part-ii-144.html#post37781937

Man that stuff is quite hateful. Especially when you shell out so much money for a TV. It's good to hear LG is on it though, hopefully that means LG Holland is like that as well. If i get similar issues that is, of course. I remember when i had a Panasonic VT30 and it had the green tinge/blob fault, making snow in Skyrim look weird and off as hell, but not only that, also just in general it ruined it. On top of that there was plenty of vertical banding. Panasonic had no idea what to do about it and it was hell to actually return the TV to the store. Boy i so hope i won't get any of that shit.
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That's the first EC9300 I've seen that looked like that, likely just an isolated case. I think chances are high you'll get a good one.

The issues with the 4K sets, however, have been much more prevalent. Majority of owners over on AVS have a yellow band on their 65" EF9500. Does not seem to affect the 55". All of them have had a vignetting issue as well - something the 1080P models didn't suffer from at all.
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
It's a known issue, I've been reading AVSforums and plenty of people are getting the yellow band on the right side with their new EF and EG9500. I'd get on to LG, apparently a guy named Robert at LG said they'll sort out anyone with the yellow and other screen uniformity issues out. As they have identified what the problem is. Gotta say reading the owners forum has completely put me off getting one, and with the money they cost, damn awful.
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I don't visit AVS much anymore, but are you sure it wasn't Robert Zohn, owner of Value Electronics? It's a popular choice for premium AV equipment in those circles and that seems like a statement he would put out there.
 
What's the word in the Vizio m5 4k tv's?

One review I read says they're great panels, even better than some of the bigger brands, they just lack all the bull shit smart tv features that I couldn't care less about.
 
Can anyone confirm they are viewing an XBox One via UHD, or 2160p (upscaling) before I think about purchasing a new receiver?*

I could not even get it working even plugging the One directly into my TV itself (I did leave the HDMI Arc cable connected, so I realized about 3 hours after the fact that it could have been the HDMI ARC still plugged in stopping the whole thing.) My One outputs at 2160p, the info of the TV clearly states that is the resolution, however as soon as I click Keep on the video settings, it flashes a few times, and eventually goes back to 1080p. Even right into the TV but Arc was still plugged into receiver. The way my shit is setup to test that out takes about 20 minutes each time to get to the back of my receiver, etc. etc. so yeah, it is a bit of a pain in the ass. However with all that said, * to be terribly honest when I Google this topic I am not finding shit all about it so I am starting to think the One just does not do 2160p and/or I do in fact need a receiver that supports HDCP 2.2.

So if anyone can help me out it would be appreciated. All I am looking for is confirmation it can be done. I would be real bummed if I purchase a $600 receiver only to discover it did not matter and the One cannot support UHD.

TV is a Vizio M65-C1.
Current receiver is a Sony STR-DN1040
I am pretty sure thanks to this thread it is my receiver holding the UHD back, but I would like to be positive if possible.

On another note, I was able to score the SoundScience LED USB Bias Lighting on sale on Amazon, and it really is awesome. Best $16 I have spent in quite some time. Makes a big difference in a dark room.
 
DirtyLarry said:
Can anyone confirm they are viewing an XBox One via UHD, or 2160p (upscaling) before I think about purchasing a new receiver?*

I could not even get it working even plugging the One directly into my TV itself (I did leave the HDMI Arc cable connected, so I realized about 3 hours after the fact that it could have been the HDMI ARC still plugged in stopping the whole thing.) My One outputs at 2160p, the info of the TV clearly states that is the resolution, however as soon as I click Keep on the video settings, it flashes a few times, and eventually goes back to 1080p. Even right into the TV but Arc was still plugged into receiver. The way my shit is setup to test that out takes about 20 minutes each time to get to the back of my receiver, etc. etc. so yeah, it is a bit of a pain in the ass. However with all that said, * to be terribly honest when I Google this topic I am not finding shit all about it so I am starting to think the One just does not do 2160p and/or I do in fact need a receiver that supports HDCP 2.2.

So if anyone can help me out it would be appreciated. All I am looking for is confirmation it can be done. I would be real bummed if I purchase a $600 receiver only to discover it did not matter and the One cannot support UHD.

TV is a Vizio M65-C1.
Current receiver is a Sony STR-DN1040
I am pretty sure thanks to this thread it is my receiver holding the UHD back, but I would like to be positive if possible.

On another note, I was able to score the SoundScience LED USB Bias Lighting on sale on Amazon, and it really is awesome. Best $16 I have spent in quite some time. Makes a big difference in a dark room.
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my understanding is the TV scales all the content automatically. my receiver supports 4K 60 and also pure pass thru and the TV my P55 shows source content resolution 1080P and from what i have read on AVS the TV scaler handles upscaling everything to 4K
 
Fitts said:
I don't visit AVS much anymore, but are you sure it wasn't Robert Zohn, owner of Value Electronics? It's a popular choice for premium AV equipment in those circles and that seems like a statement he would put out there.
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I don't think so, the guys on there were specifically saying it was LG they had spoken too, plus this Robert was saying how they are committed to making sure everyone has a perfect OLED TV, and they've flown in 70 odd Korean tech's to solve the issue. It must be a pretty significant problem, surprising this kind of thing doesn't flag up when they test them.
On a side note, I solved my VESA mount question, turns out LG in their infinite wisdom decided to make a spec that's just outside VESA, so no universal brackets will be useable with the EG9500! Cheekily LG state that's it's VESA compliant but has no actual spec!? I mean what!....So you have to buy the LG one! Lol final nail in the coffin for me, as there's no way I'm taking my existing bracket off with my walls. I'm sure LG would like to sell as many TV's as possible right?.............
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
Gotta say reading the owners forum has completely put me off getting one
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Reading the owners forum for any set over at AVS will tend to do that, at least in my case. They are usually focused on the problems. You just have to keep reminding yourself that people who have problems are far more likely to post about it, and so it does not necessarily reflect the prevalence of problems with a set on the whole.
 
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