Pagusas
Elden Member
thats correct. make sure you turn off auto lipsyncing features as well if it has that.
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thats correct. make sure you turn off auto lipsyncing features as well if it has that.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yep, thank god I dont use any of the build in apps. All I need the TV to do is take me to the correct input, and honestly my Harmony 900 makes that simple, so I get to avoid the smart os part of the TV alot.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yes, we already know Sony will be showing a 940c successor without the side speakers. Dolby Vision comparability is being adopted by a lot of the flagship brands and you'll be seeing a lot of "80-90% rec2020 coverage" .
I live in the Philippines and there are a couple of attractive sales going on right now. Decided to pick up a new TV for the living room and would appreciate so e advice. My options are
LG 43UF680TT - $640usd - http://www.lg.com/au/tvs/lg-43UF680T
TCL U55E5800FS - $702usd - http://www.tclphilippines.com/55-e5800
They're both 4k tv's, I've seen them both in person and they both look fine. I've never bought a TV from one of the smaller players tho, I currently own a Samsung 43" Plasma from 2013. I love the look and functionality of Web OS 2.0, but I love the size of the TCL.
I siet about 4-5 feet away, mostly watch streamed content from Netflix and Hulu, have a PS4 and an HTTP with a 970, so most of my gaming will be at 1080p. The primary reason I want to get a 4k rv is that I need a new TV, and the good 1080p ones are about the same price as these 4k ones. Any thoughts?
LG 43UF680TT - $640usd - http://www.lg.com/au/tvs/lg-43UF680T
TCL U55E5800FS - $702usd - http://www.tclphilippines.com/55-e5800
They're both 4k tv's, I've seen them both in person and they both look fine. I've never bought a TV from one of the smaller players tho, I currently own a Samsung 43" Plasma from 2013. I love the look and functionality of Web OS 2.0, but I love the size of the TCL.
I siet about 4-5 feet away, mostly watch streamed content from Netflix and Hulu, have a PS4 and an HTTP with a 970, so most of my gaming will be at 1080p. The primary reason I want to get a 4k rv is that I need a new TV, and the good 1080p ones are about the same price as these 4k ones. Any thoughts?
Bill Rizer
Member
Both will be downgrade, PQ wise, coming from a plasma. Wait, put up bigger budget, and go straight to oled.
I thought about that, but 700 is my upper limit for TV's, it seems unlikely OLEDs will fall within that price range this year tho.
Terbinator
Member
Surely game/PC mode with no processing on is "best"?
Anyone getting the Vizio M60 on Black Friday from dell for $800?
http://www.circularhub.com/flyers/d...=78613#!/flyers/dellus-fsi?flyer_run_id=94388
http://www.circularhub.com/flyers/d...=78613#!/flyers/dellus-fsi?flyer_run_id=94388
platypotamus
Member
Educated TV gaf, I am tempted by this tv, but don't want to screw up. Any reasons I shouldn't get it?
http://m.costco.com/Samsung-55"-Cla...-LCD-TV-UN55JS700DFXZA.product.100225062.html
http://m.costco.com/Samsung-55"-Cla...-LCD-TV-UN55JS700DFXZA.product.100225062.html
Have you tried those settings?
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7500/settings?uxtv=6764
Do you have any other options available?
A lot of the new LG 4K models have a very high input lag:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag?uxtv=6764
I wouldn't spend anything on TCL if I could choose another brand instead.
It's one of the few IPS based models from Samsung meaning great color and viewing angles but not so great black levels and contrast, if you watch a lot of content in the dark it ain't the best set for you.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js7000?uxtv=6764
Yeah I used their "picture" settings on their first image and I put the TV into game mode, but I didn't like the "Warm2" setting so I didn't do anything on their "picture options" image or below that.... and I didn't try to fine tune all of the color settings at all... they even point out that all those setting usually depend upon your particular panel and your setup too. Just left that alone.
I wish there was some way to set my universal remote to put the TV in "game mode" when I press "play PS4" and to put the tv into "movie mode" when I press "watch TV"... But it involves so much internal menu maneuvering that it doesn't seem possible.
If you don't want to mess with the colours / white point adjustment just try another color setting like neutral or cold. I guess you see to much red with warm2?
Be glad you have the Samsung Tizen OS, the Android TV on Sony is way worst.
Edit found some other settings:
http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1432627018
Not exactly your model but give it a try:
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue48js9000-review.11260
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue65js8500-review.11268
Yeah warm2 had a lot of red. I tried the various settings out and I thought that the "standard" color setting looked pretty good, so I just left it on standard.
Boombloxer
Member
Get anything except the Sharp.
If you need 65 or 75, take a look at the Samsungs. If your max budget is 1500, I'd wait for BF and other sales to get something better
If it works for you that's fine.
If you want to spend some more time to get the most accurate picture you could follow a guide like this:
http://lifehacker.com/5858625/how-t...oost-your-video-quality-in-30-minutes-or-less
Here are additional example files that rtings.com are using:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rtings/rtings-test-materials-2014.zip
Monitor calibration:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
Yep for gaming I wouldn't buy a Sharp.
Maybe this could help you out?
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/70-75-inch/best?uxtv=6764
Thanks!
M_A_C
Member
What do you guys think about the BF deals for 75" TV's I thinking about.
Sony XBR-75X850C $3000 from BestBuy or the Vizio M75-C1 $2,399.99 from Costco.
I have a 65" ST50 Panasonic Plasma right now that I'm pretty happy with, but wouldn't mind trading up for the bigger size and better display lag times for games and PC usage.
Sony XBR-75X850C $3000 from BestBuy or the Vizio M75-C1 $2,399.99 from Costco.
I have a 65" ST50 Panasonic Plasma right now that I'm pretty happy with, but wouldn't mind trading up for the bigger size and better display lag times for games and PC usage.
Pagusas
Elden Member
If your coming from a plasma you'll want to go with a fald led and not the edge lit 850c.
pancakesandsex
Member
Hello folks. I'm looking for a 40-50 inch led television with 1080p support, at least 2 sets of component in if possible, 2-3 hdmi in, and as little input lag as possible. I have a 500$ max on what I'm willing to spend at the moment. Any suggestions on models in that price range that won't be garbage?
The bigger ones(65" and 75") are at least direct led but yeah not comparable to a plasma black level.
PQ wise you won't upgrade with any of those really, I have no idea about the input lag on your panasonic only the Vizio has a really low one under 20ms. To be honest I don't see a reason for an "upgrade".
Reviews for the both TVs:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850c
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2015
Best picture quality 70-75 inch TVs of 2015:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/70-75-inch/best?uxtv=6764
M_A_C
Member
Yeah, I might just hold off for now. 1080p is fine for the most part right as of yet.
Not sure about the 2 sets of component inputs (doesn't sound like the usual standard), I guess the best bang for the buck for you guys in the states is the Vizio M Series?
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2015?uxtv=6764
Watch out for the special black friday offers like this one:
pancakesandsex
Member
Hrmm the motion processing on that series worries me.
You own one of the best gaming TVs, of course the LG has an even better picture but if you are not in a hurry wait after the CES beginning of next year. Prices will definitely drop over time and maybe the input lag will be better in newer models or Firmware updates for existing ones.
platypotamus
Member
Cool, yeah I don't watch stuff in the dark a ton. My current TV is an LCD samsung that is dying but that I've been happy with for like 8 years. It also doesn't have great blacks, but that's like the one slight mark against it, otherwise I've loved it.
Big sales just popped up for the Samsung 7100 and 7500. ~$500 discount on the latter.
Question, is there a "best in class" 1080p set to get this year or is everything worth getting (for PQ and Gaming) moved up to these 4K sets?
I want to upgrade my (very) old Vizio, but not sure I want to spend the extra $ to to get HDR / 4K etc. just yet. (I figure its silly to get a 4K set without HDR)
Question, is there a "best in class" 1080p set to get this year or is everything worth getting (for PQ and Gaming) moved up to these 4K sets?
I want to upgrade my (very) old Vizio, but not sure I want to spend the extra $ to to get HDR / 4K etc. just yet. (I figure its silly to get a 4K set without HDR)
Omg I just bought mine at newegg for $300 over the current sale price. Was delivered yesterday. I waited for the BF sales leaks... And People on GAF told me that these high end TVs don't go on sale...
Well there isn't a perfect TV for everything but we are getting close to it
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-type/1080p-full-hd/best
If you don't play a lot of fast twitching 60fps shooters the LG 9100 could be your set.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/eg9100
Otherwise to answer your question, yes nearly all midrange to high end models moved up to the 4K sets.
Depending on your unknown budget you could still get an excellent 4K set, I wouldn't worry about HDR now.
Here a few picks for gaming:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x810c
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7100
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7500
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2015
Omg I just bought mine at newegg for $300 over the current sale price. Was delivered yesterday. I waited for the BF sales leaks... And People on GAF told me that these high end TVs don't go on sale...
Well just contact them and ask if they would compare the price otherwise return the TV, shouldn't be really a big deal?
According to their web page, returns require a 15% restocking fee and you pay the shipping both ways.
Sometimes when you call them over the phone, they don't charge any of that depending upon who you get on the phone and depending on your situation. But if they tell me I need to pay all that then it easily cancels out the price difference and then some.
newegg doesn't answer the phone on weekends for another 2.5 hours anyways.
Oh that's pretty harsh, I had no idea about those policies. In Europe you can return within 14 days your online ordered goods no matter which dealer. But depending on the dealer you would have to pay the shipping back to them.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/returning-unwanted-goods/index_en.htm
Yeah in a lot of ways Europe has much more "people centric" friendly laws about things. USA often sides with the big corporations on consumer matters.
That's the one I've gone for (KDX8005C in the UK/EU). The 55" (and 65 I believe) has a VA panel, which is what I wanted. It also has lowish lag (~37ms IIRC) and you can still have a great picture in game mode (as opposed to the Samsung 6500 et al). The frame may not look as "premium" as the higheer end models, but overall it appears to be great!
Should receive mine on Tuesday.
Ok I did an online chat with Newegg and they are going to issue me a $150 gift card.
Not bad considering Newegg's $300 less price included $120 shipping (and I got free shipping the first time), and everyplace else I would have bought from would have included tax which was over $100. So the $150 gift card is basically just about the whole final price difference on my end.
Now I just need to figure out what to buy at newegg for $150 in the next 90 days...
I might have bought the 55" for $1297 though if I had waited. Pretty sure it was $500 more a few days ago. In any case I like the size of the 48".
Oh well, sorry to tell you but unfortunately the EU model ain't that great, only a 50hz panel and 50ms input lag. But maybe you won't notice anything I'm really curios about your personal impressions. May I ask how much you payed for it? I guess you used the current amazon lightning deal for 599gbp? It's certainly not a bad price, the pq is still very good from which I have seen in person. If Europe would have the same model as the 810c I would have bought it myself, now I ordered the 55x8505c for 1200 Euros (about 840 GBP).
Congrats on the deal, wow those shippings costs are insane for a TV. Well 150$ could be spend on games, a nice pair of headphones, a soundbar or speakers, extra controllers, there should be plenty of stuff you could use it on.
There is only one review out for the 55x8005c from a German TV-Review Magazin:
https://youtu.be/SS8T5eQaelQ?t=16m29s
You can activate the subtitles and use the very very bad auto translation if you want to.
They mention an input lag of 120ms in normal mode an 50ms in game mode. The other reviews on their channel are very accurate so I don't question them.
Another evidence for the 50Hz panel is that the Motionflow XR is only 200Hz
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/fake...otion-rate-vs-sony-motionflow-vs-lg-trumotion
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/x8005c-series/specifications
The US 810c has a true 120Hz panel with a Motionflow XR rating of 960Hz:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0148OZLOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I even contacted the german sony customer support for that matter:
"Bei Ihrer Anfrage zu den Panels beachten Sie bitte folgendes: Unsere Geräte unterliegen alle den gleichen hochwertigen Qualitätsansprüchen.
Es besteht keine Möglichkeit zu erkennen welche Panels oder welche Panels im jeweiligen US-Modell verbaut wurden.
Diese Informationen liegen hier nicht vor.
Google auto translation:
In your request to the panels please note the following : Our instruments are all the same high quality requirements .
There is no way to recognize that the panel or panels which have been installed in the respective US - model.
This information is not available here ."
So I'm not 100% sure, but the 810c is definitely a better model than the EU 8005c.
drhankmccoyphd
Member
What does every one think of this 43" 4K tv from LG? I'm looking for a 4K tv for my PC and ps4.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010Q8ETR0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010Q8ETR0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Blizzy, what does 50hz mean for 60hz games, how noticeable will it be? I get motion sickness in games with sensitive camera movements, so is it likely to affect me more than others ?
Edit, forgive me if I'm wrong, but the video appears to be for the 50 inch, not 55, which is the ips panel if I'm not mistaken ? Does that make a difference ?
Edit, forgive me if I'm wrong, but the video appears to be for the 50 inch, not 55, which is the ips panel if I'm not mistaken ? Does that make a difference ?
Elitist1945
Member
So is OLED very common in TVs nowadays or no. Does Sony have any OLED TVs?
Ryu Elessar
Member
If anyone with a LG 55EG9100 is able to comment, I noticed when the screen is mostly white, I can see that it is not uniform with the middle part of the screen being a bit more blue or darker. It is not noticeable unless the screen is mostly a very bright white. I wanted to know if this calls for a reason to exchange the TV for a new one. I tried to capture the effect in the below image.
You could probably compare this TV to with this model:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uf6800
The input lag appears very high, so I wouldn't recommend it.
Check for TVs under 500$:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-price/under-500/best
Vizio and Samsung should fit your bill.
I guess it's just a marketing term, they are basicly all 60Hz panel so you shouldn't see any differences. Not like the old CRT PAL/NTSC days. The TV you own now is very probably the same with just a 60Hz panel. I just wanted to point at it the make the difference clear between the US and EU model. So if you don't get any motion sickness now, you won't be later.
By the way easiest way to test it, download a 60fps Gamevideo File from
http://www.gamersyde.com/
watch it on your display now, put it on a USB-stick, go to the next TV retail store and use the USB port of the TV, best case scenario you deactivate all the motion interpolation to see the true non alternate picture.
No it's not, at the moment only LG and Panasonic offer OLED TVs and they are pretty expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6463520011/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Review 4K model:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/eg9600
Hmm, I don't get the tv until Tuesday. I'm just really worried that I've bought a bad tv, that won't play 60hz games without screen tearing.
Don't worry that won't happen, I actually tested it myself that way like 2-3 weeks ago, Star Wars Battlefront on video looked totally fine to me.
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_our_pc_videos_of_star_wars_battlefront_beta-17180_en.html
I just hope that you won't notice any lag during gameplay that's all.
Edit: The Videoreview is the 55" one, EU got 49" IPS and 55" VA models.
If anyone with a LG 55EG9100 is able to comment, I noticed when the screen is mostly white, I can see that it is not uniform with the middle part of the screen being a bit more blue or darker. It is not noticeable unless the screen is mostly a very bright white. I wanted to know if this calls for a reason to exchange the TV for a new one. I tried to capture the effect in the below image.
Well I don't own one, but here are a couple of users that do.
However my guess it's some form of ABL.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/eg9100
If I've understood you correctly, you tried a 60hz vido on a 50hz tv ? Did you have any kind of problems ?