Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

burgerdog said:
Interesting, I was hoping nothing serious would happen because I thought the pixels were effectively "off." Darn, thanks!
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the "damage" would be that the lit pixels would eventually dim over time, and the "off" pixels would retain their brightness. Essentially you'd have uneven wear being done to the TV.
 
So happy I exchanged my M55 for the M60! The 18% increase in size made a huge difference in my space. You guys were right all along: I should have gone with the 60".

So far I am very pleased with this TV. Everything looks great though I hope to access more true 4K content in the future. Of the limited material I viewed through UltraFlix, IQ looked incredible.

My only complaint would be that almost all content seems to exhibit a glaring effect but, for me, this is a result of having had LASIK several years ago. Curiously, this was something that was never noticeable on my 40" Samsung TV. I think because my new TV probably produces better blacks, and thus emits less light upon doing so, there is less light entering my eye, causing my pupils to dilate past the treatment area, and creating a glare-like effect that is mostly noticeable for in-game objects and text. I'll have to try and play around with brightness settings but even with a backlight value set to 90, glare was still present.

Lastly, was I smart to get the extended three year service warranty through Walmart or this kind of unnecessary? I plan on keeping this TV for at least the next few years.
 
Finally got the chance to watch some (decent) 4K video from my USB. I could literally watch those all day. Especially if they are ones showcasing animals and shit. I feel like I've only scratched the surface though on my M series Vizio.


HDMI 2.0a + OLED + HDR + UHD Blu-Ray (High Bitrates, no compression) + 12 bit color + DCI P3 + 18 Gbps


lawdddddd
 
Jigolo said:
Finally got the chance to watch some (decent) 4K video from my USB. I could literally watch those all day. Especially if they are ones showcasing animals and shit. I feel like I've only scratched the surface though on my M series Vizio.


HDMI 2.0a + OLED + HDR + UHD Blu-Ray (High Bitrates, no compression) + 12 bit color + DCI P3 + 18 Gbps


lawdddddd
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The stuff of dreams.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
If you have to alter your gaming or viewing habits to suit your TV, that's considered no bueno to the vast majority of owners and it's a big reason plasma could never survive in the market.

Plasmas got a reputation for burn-in for a reason. To deny it is lunacy and the biggest reason plasma died as a technology is because the plasma manufacturers just buried their heads in the sand and made sure burn-in was not covered by warranties. Panasonic can get fucked, the NeoPDP tech they introduced in their final generation of plasma panels actually made burn-in worse.

Let's see how OLEDs fare. Considering I've gotten burn-in on the phones I own which use OLED panels, I'm not optimistic OLED will fare better than plasma in the long run.

Anytime you have a technology where pixel elements can wear unevenly and change brightness over their lifetimes at different relative rates, there will always be the possibility of burn-in. And in the long run, it's almost impossible to perfectly wear every pixel evenly. CRT got away with it because the technology matured to the point where it took longer than a human lifetime for uneven phosphor wear to be visible. Plasma never reached that point. And now we have OLED, let's see how that goes guys. Thanks for beta testing the technology for me though, OLED TV owners!
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All tvs can get burn in and I was under the assumption that plasma died for a variety of reasons, not one single thing. The burn in was more of an, overblown, consumer perception thing just like how much brighter a cranked up lcd or led tv looked next to a plasma in a store setting. Glare was a similar issue in big, bright store environments. Cost to make and weight also factored in, no? Sure, some plasmas were more susceptible to burn in but my lcd has ir and burn in issues while my plasma is still going strong. I have definitely noticed some ir when falling asleep with a fixed overlay or hud and leaving it on all night but when I turn it back on, the issue is gone.

I am going to be pretty mad when my plasma dies. I am actually dreadig it. I am no tv expert but I have yet to find a better picture when I'm out shopping or at friend's houses. Haven't really checked out OLED tvs yet but I hate gaming or watching movies on my led.
 
Radical Edward said:
All tvs can get burn in and I was under the assumption that plasma died for a variety of reasons, not one single thing. The burn in was more of an, overblown, consumer perception thing just like how much brighter a cranked up lcd or led tv looked next to a plasma in a store setting. Glare was a similar issue in big, bright store environments. Cost to make and weight also factored in, no? Sure, some plasmas were more susceptible to burn in but my lcd has ir and burn in issues while my plasma is still going strong. I have definitely noticed some ir when falling asleep with a fixed overlay or hud and leaving it on all night but when I turn it back on, the issue is gone.

I am going to be pretty mad when my plasma dies. I am actually dreadig it. I am no tv expert but I have yet to find a better picture when I'm out shopping or at friend's houses. Haven't really checked out OLED tvs yet but I hate gaming or watching movies on my led.
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In a year or two, OLED will be imminently affordable, reliable and provide the highest image quality on the market with no compromises. LG's implementation of OLED this year is what's been problematic.
 
So I need a new tv my Samsung Plasma (E8500 series) is giving me issues that it can't come back from. I'm having a hard time deciding between tvs that are out right now. Price is an issue as I don't want to spend $3k on a tv again and have it die in 2 and a half years. So I want to stay close to the $1k-$1.3k in the 60 inch area. I'm also very susceptible to lag and notice it very easily. So something that rtings suggests is a mid tier Samsung or the M series Vizio. I use this tv in the living room and glare is an issue. I also watch movies out there as well.

So what are the pro and con's between these two sets.

Samsung UN60JU7100

and the

Vizio M60-C3

Is it worth the cost to get the 7100 or 7500 (if on sale) or just get the cheaper Vizio?
 
exmachina64 said:
In a year or two, OLED will be imminently affordable, reliable and provide the highest image quality on the market with no compromises. LG's implementation of OLED this year is what's been problematic.
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You may be right, but right now, there are too many questions with the reliability. Im sure there is a reason Samsung and Sony have not pushed the tech out this year.

I recently went through the TV buying process and finally decided to jump to a JS8500 Samsung. That is a solid TV right there.
 
Raven117 said:
You may be right, but right now, there are too many questions with the reliability. Im sure there is a reason Samsung and Sony have not pushed the tech out this year.
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That's why I took a 5-year warranty with my new purchased LG Oled 55Eg960v. Otherwise it's too risky to buy new technology products.

Oled TV is perfect for gaming, I use it for 2 months now :
- No image persistence at all (it was really visible on my previous Samsung LED TV in games, especially during tracking / camera travelling.. used a lot in FPS or TPS)
- Brilliant colors
- Very low input lag
- And of course, black..wow, real black ! I had discovered SOMA again for example, with my new TV. Current LCD TV have lots of troubles to correctly render games with very dark environments.

In two months, tested brillantly, on PC (60 FPS most of the time, games on this TV need to be perfectly smooth) with following games : Witcher 3, Soma, AC Syndicate, Fallout 4.
 
Raven117 said:
You may be right, but right now, there are too many questions with the reliability. Im sure there is a reason Samsung and Sony have not pushed the tech out this year.

I recently went through the TV buying process and finally decided to jump to a JS8500 Samsung. That is a solid TV right there.
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Just got the same tv. I'm loving it so far. Very impressed coming from Plasma and an old CRT RPTV.

I wanted to go OLED but it was just too pricey for me right now. Maybe in a few years the prices will be at a point where I can jump in.
 
Two questions for the EC9300 (for movie watching)

1- Do i disable/enable the noise reduction options?

2- When i use Netflix (the app on the TV) and i go into the picture settings, the black level is at auto and i can't change it. When i put this setting on auto for Xbox One though, the black level is all wrong (with Xbox One set to standard) . Is there a way to change this to low? Or is this not necessary?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
Two questions for the EC9300 (for movie watching)

1- Do i disable/enable the noise reduction options?
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You shouldn't need noise reduction enabled for streaming or watching blu-rays.

Fitts said:
This is a lot of assumption.

Sample-and-hold is a large obstacle to overcome.
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Are we talking budget TVs or flagships in that timeframe?

Rtings didn't find a problem with the EG9600. Though I'm one of those people that wasn't bothered much on the Vita.

Raven117 said:
You may be right, but right now, there are too many questions with the reliability. Im sure there is a reason Samsung and Sony have not pushed the tech out this year.

I recently went through the TV buying process and finally decided to jump to a JS8500 Samsung. That is a solid TV right there.
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I'll eat crow in two years if I have to do so; I just think the problems will be mostly ironed out in the $1-2k price range by then.

Good choice on the TV.
 
Got my vizio E series. will go OLED on 3-4 years. By then I should able get a nice 65" for around $950. New consoles will be on horizon as well as a shift in content
 
If I'm not having problems right now with my Samsung JU7500 and I have firmware 1422.

Does it do me any good to install firmware 1431 via USB?

1431 doesn't appear to be currently available for me via the TVs auto update feature. And they give you a big warning that an interruption during the install process like unplugging the TV can brick your TV and that isn't covered by their warranty.
 
So, as it turns out, looking for a decent budget TV in Canada is kind of a nightmare. The Vizio M43 seemed like a great option until I read several impressions that indicated motion blurring on that set was awful. Other sets under $1000 (my budget) seemingly handle motion better, but have worse IQ and higher input lag. Hopefully you can help me, GAF.

Needs:

-Good motion handling with minimal blur. It tends to really bug me, so this is important.

-Low input lag.

-Good picture. Doesn't need to be amazing, but something good for watching Blurays and other HD content on.

Wants:

-4K. Would like to future-proof myself if possible, but I can live without it if need be.
 
I've decided to lower the OLED light and Contrast for the EC9300

I have OLED at 80 now and contrast at 90. This should tone down the ABL, right?

At the moment i have a very very dark room. All walls and ceiling are dark purple, i did this for my projector a year ago or so. It's nice but not ideal for a living room environment. So i might decide to paint these walls and ceiling a much lighter colour. Afterwards will i need to change the OLED and contrast setting? If i remember correctly, the brighter your room the lower you should set these settings, right?
 
Just grabbed a Vizio M50-C1 ... my parents have one and I liked what I saw. Amazon had $30 off for Prime and Chase Freedom offered 10% cashback.
 
Might trade in my LG EG910. Tint, banding, and the input lag is a bit too high for me.

I've been looking at the Samsung JU7500. Does anyone know which panel versions are the best, and what their 'codes' are? Don't want to end up with an outsourced panel, if I decide to get one.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
I've decided to lower the OLED light and Contrast for the EC9300

I have OLED at 80 now and contrast at 90. This should tone down the ABL, right?

At the moment i have a very very dark room. All walls and ceiling are dark purple, i did this for my projector a year ago or so. It's nice but not ideal for a living room environment. So i might decide to paint these walls and ceiling a much lighter colour. Afterwards will i need to change the OLED and contrast setting? If i remember correctly, the brighter your room the lower you should set these settings, right?
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80 is pretty high for a dark room, I reckon. I have mine at 60 for daytime viewing, and 45-50 does me in the evenings (fair amount of light still).
 
simonski said:
80 is pretty high for a dark room, I reckon. I have mine at 60 for daytime viewing, and 45-50 does me in the evenings (fair amount of light still).
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80 is low for my standards, most of the time it's at 90 or even 100. :)

During daytime it's already pretty dark in my living room, but the kitchen brings some light still. But during evening/night, it's almost pitch black darkness here.

But the brighter the room, the brighter OLED light should be set, right?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
80 is low for my standards, most of the time it's at 90 or even 100. :)

During daytime it's already pretty dark in my living room, but the kitchen brings some light still. But during evening/night, it's almost pitch black darkness here.

But the brighter the room, the brighter OLED light should be set, right?
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Correct. And I agree with the other poster - 80 is bright. 90/100 sounds WAY too high. I use 45-60, depending on time of day.

But, each to their own. If you like it, just stick with it.
 
I have an old (2012) Plasma and I'm thinking about getting a newer TV, but an LED. With more functions and HDMI ports (mine has only 2)... it's a Sammy 60PF5000 (or something like that). It's a budget Plasma, but idk if it would be worth? I wouldn't be able to get a top tier LED either... :/ it'd probably be 42" or 48"...
 
I might return my Samsung 65JU7500. The DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) can be really distracting on some games. I finally realized the other day that what I was seeing during movement on bright backgrounds was not traditional "shadow" DSE from flaws in the screen coating or layers, but "hot spots" created by the actual backlight LEDs themselves. I kept thinking about how the DSE was very light and yet it was regular, covering the whole screen. I then realized the "hot spots" were laid out in a perfect grid pattern. Each "dot" is one of the backlight LEDs. Now I can't un-see it. Your eyes may vary, but I'm very sensitive to uniformity issues.

Here is a picture from RTINGS's review of the 7100 showing the gray-screen uniformity. Both the 7100 and 7500 are rear-lit and have this issue. I've enhanced the contrast so maybe you can at least see what I am talking about. You should be able to discern the grid of white spots. I can see it clearly during screen movement of certain colored backgrounds. Golf games and the skies in any outdoor FPS are the main culprits in showing this.

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So I'm thinking about going to an edge-lit model instead, as the DSE on the 8500 and 9000 are much less.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
I might return my Samsung 65JU7500. The DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) can be really distracting on some games. I finally realized the other day that what I was seeing during movement on bright backgrounds was not traditional "shadow" DSE from flaws in the screen coating or layers, but "hot spots" created by the actual backlight LEDs themselves. I kept thinking about how the DSE was very light and yet it was regular, covering the whole screen. I then realized the "hot spots" were laid out in a perfect grid pattern. Each "dot" is one of the backlight LEDs. Now I can't un-see it. Your eyes may vary, but I'm very sensitive to uniformity issues.

Here is a picture from RTINGS's review of the 7100 showing the gray-screen uniformity. Both the 7100 and 7500 are rear-lit and have this issue. I've enhanced the contrast so maybe you can at least see what I am talking about. You should be able to discern the grid of white spots. I can see it clearly during screen movement of certain colored backgrounds. Golf games and the skies in any outdoor FPS are the main culprits in showing this.





So I'm thinking about going to an edge-lit model instead, as the DSE on the 8500 and 9000 are much less.
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Yep, a lot of the cheaper FALD screens suffer from this, the 9500 and x940c seem to escape it though. I suggest either upping the budget if you want great uniformity (the x940c is the most uniform screen I've ever seen, its damn near perfect) or hold off until better quality FALD screen arrive, I've NEVER seen a good edge lit and I'm super sensitive to DSE.
 
Pagusas said:
I suggest either upping the budget if you want great uniformity (the x940c is the most uniform screen I've ever seen, its damn near perfect) or hold off until better quality FALD screen arrive, I've NEVER seen a good edge lit and I'm super sensitive to DSE.
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I'm not spending x940 or 9500 money on a TV, no matter how good it is. Also, I realize that there is always going to be some DSE in the mass-market models. The gray-uniformity tests for the 8500 and 9000 show significantly less DSE than the rear-lit 7000 series so I think it's worth a shot. I've (briefly) owned many edge-lit models in the past, so I am well aware of their flaws, and I realize that I could be exchanging this set with visible backlight DSE for one with clouding, flashlighting, and banding, all while paying more money to boot. Maybe I'll just keep it until 4K OLEDs have better prices and lag times. I could just go back to my old SXRD (again) but that TV sucks ass for PC use, and it's probably not long for this world. TVs are frustrating as hell and my wife doesn't understand, of course. Bah!
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
I might return my Samsung 65JU7500. The DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) can be really distracting on some games. I finally realized the other day that what I was seeing during movement on bright backgrounds was not traditional "shadow" DSE from flaws in the screen coating or layers, but "hot spots" created by the actual backlight LEDs themselves. I kept thinking about how the DSE was very light and yet it was regular, covering the whole screen. I then realized the "hot spots" were laid out in a perfect grid pattern. Each "dot" is one of the backlight LEDs. Now I can't un-see it. Your eyes may vary, but I'm very sensitive to uniformity issues.

Here is a picture from RTINGS's review of the 7100 showing the gray-screen uniformity. Both the 7100 and 7500 are rear-lit and have this issue. I've enhanced the contrast so maybe you can at least see what I am talking about. You should be able to discern the grid of white spots. I can see it clearly during screen movement of certain colored backgrounds. Golf games and the skies in any outdoor FPS are the main culprits in showing this.



So I'm thinking about going to an edge-lit model instead, as the DSE on the 8500 and 9000 are much less.
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Man that uniformity is terrible, I've got a 9000 and its leagues above that!
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
Man that uniformity is terrible, I've got a 9000 and its leagues above that!
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To be fair, I want to reiterate that I jacked up the contrast on that picture to make the backlight pattern visible. It isn't visible on most content. Regular TV and movies look pretty good. Cartoons/Anime are very watchable on this set, which is more than I can say for most of the edge-lits I tried a few years ago. Most people will never notice. Games and PC use are where it really comes into play, at least for me. Play a round of golf or an FPS with a blue or light gray skybox and it's noticible. Or even worse, load up a web browser with white background and scroll around the page a bit. That's probably the worst-case scenario.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
To be fair, I want to reiterate that I jacked up the contrast on that picture to make the backlight pattern visible. It isn't visible on most content. Regular TV and movies look pretty good. Cartoons/Anime are very watchable on this set, which is more than I can say for most of the edge-lits I tried a few years ago. Most people will never notice. Games and PC use are where it really comes into play, at least for me. Play a round of golf or an FPS with a blue or light gray skybox and it's noticible. Or even worse, load up a web browser with white background and scroll around the page a bit. That's probably the worst-case scenario.
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It comes down to once you've seen it, you know it's there, and it kinda tarnishes it. I'm just grateful I got a really excellent 9000 panel.
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
It comes down to once you've seen it, you know it's there, and it kinda tarnishes it. I'm just grateful I got a really excellent 9000 panel.
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yes indeed, my wife thinks im crazy as i went through a few Vizio's, some samsungs, tried a Sony edge lit, than finally said screw it and decided to exponentially increase the TV budget (I did some extra freelance work to pay for it, but still a little sad I had to go to the 7k range to get a near perfect screen). But as you said, once you start seeing these flaws you cant not see them. They ruin everything. I cant go OLED yet due to the severity of some of the flaws even on the high end models.
 
One thing I'll continue to suggest as I saw another person in a different thread do is do not take anyone's word as bible/etc and blindly buy a TV online. We're all wired differently and we all have different needs. Take things as a suggestion and go to a store and bring a usb stick with you if possible.

Also, if you find the set you like, at least try to buy the set from the store. Get them to price match or something to sweeten the deal. It would absolutely suck for these brick and mortar stores disappear and we all have to take leaps of faith when buying anymore.
 
I received my Sony 940C last Sunday, and have been putting it through its paces when I've had time this week. I'm very happy with it so far - it feels like a substantial upgrade over the Panasonic ST60 it replaced. Other than the Android UI, and worse viewing angles than the plasma, neither of which are issues for me, it doesn't seem to have any noticeable weaknesses or shortcomings. The larger screen feels more immersive than I expected, and gaming feels noticeably more responsive than the ST60.

My only real complaint at this point is that it sticks out a few inches on each side of my cabinet due to the speakers. I'm probably going to have to wall mount it for that reason.


FrankNitty said:
For southern California (San Diego area) Bill Hergonson does calibration. Though I know Lion AV which is Gregg Loewen does tours here pretty frequently.
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Thanks for the info., I will look one or both of them up when I'm ready to have the TV calibrated.
 
J-Rzez said:
One thing I'll continue to suggest as I saw another person in a different thread do is do not take anyone's word as bible/etc and blindly buy a TV online. We're all wired differently and we all have different needs. Take things as a suggestion and go to a store and bring a usb stick with you if possible.

Also, if you find the set you like, at least try to buy the set from the store. Get them to price match or something to sweeten the deal. It would absolutely suck for these brick and mortar stores disappear and we all have to take leaps of faith when buying anymore.
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100% agree with this. No one can tell you what YOU think will look best, or be best for your needs. Case in point: there's a large number of people who love the OLED for gaming. I couldn't tolerate the input lag. Are the people currently enjoying the best image quality to date wrong with their opinions? I sure think so, but they're more then happy with those sets, so to them I'm insane for having sent it back.

And if you live in a state that charges sales tax for online purchases, then please do get the brick and mortar stores to price match. They deserve it. But...if you're still in one of the lucky states that can avoid paying Uncle Sam his dues, I won't blame you for saving a couple hundred and getting it via amazon.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
80 is low for my standards, most of the time it's at 90 or even 100. :)

During daytime it's already pretty dark in my living room, but the kitchen brings some light still. But during evening/night, it's almost pitch black darkness here.

But the brighter the room, the brighter OLED light should be set, right?
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The brighter a star shines, the quicker the light fades.
 
Klocker said:
If you don't need 4k , vizio E60 $750. Is great bang for buck... (I love mine) or Samsung J6200/6300 are rated well for games and general use from rtings.com are under $1000 some places
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I'm coming from a 61" and wondering if I should do the E65 instead for $200 extra...hmmm.
 
BolognaSoup said:
Must stay under $1000 and want 60" or more. What's my best bet?
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You can get a Vizio 4k M60 for around one grand. It's generally considered the best 4k display out in terms of dollar for dollar value. Plus its got full array local dimming, and not edge-lit like most tvs under $2000.

edit: also has the lowest input lag (18.2ms!) for gaming.
 
I received my OLED EG9100 on Wednesday this week and I'm just coming to say I love this TV. It's a great gaming/movie TV. It's brought a new lease of life to my games and I'm now seeing details that I didn't even know existed before.

Stunning, stunning tv and I haven't even calibrated it yet (don't know if I even need to because I'm not seeing any inaccuracies). All I've done is set sharpness to 0, black levels to low and all the other settings are default. No issues with input lag either using game mode and setting the hdmi input to PC? There's no going back for me now, I've seen the light.

Anyone one the fence about OLED and if you can justify the cost.

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Any suggestions on movies to watch to put it through its paces?
 
GHG said:
I received my OLED EG9100 on Wednesday this week and I'm just coming to say I love this TV. It's a great gaming/movie TV. It's brought a new lease of life to my games and I'm now seeing details that I didn't even know existed before.

Stunning, stunning tv and I haven't even calibrated it yet (don't know if I even need to because I'm not seeing any inaccuracies). All I've done is set sharpness to 0, black levels to low and all the other settings are default. No issues with input lag either using game mode and setting the hdmi input to PC? There's no going back for me now, I've seen the light.

Anyone one the fence about OLED and if you can justify the cost.

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Any suggestions on movies to watch to put it through its paces?
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I just got the 55 inch version of this tv LG EG9100 for $1,100 plus tax from Microcenter. I loved the picture in BB. You have convinced me to open it up and try it out. I didn't really need a TV but I couldn't resist trying this TV at a great price.
 
Gravity, Mad Max Fury Road, Avatar, Skyfall, Interstellar, Transformers 2&3, and The Amazing Spiderman 2 are all reference quality video on bluray.
 
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