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[DeepEnigma]

It's tough to show outside of a real-world comparison -- and impossible if one does not have access to a quality plasma/CRT.

Basically, with LCD/OLED you're looking at something akin to the bottom of this picture with any excess processing (interpolation) turned off:

Spoiler

Forgive the CNET picture, Katz and co suck, but that's what showed up in a Google search.

Turn on the compensating "motion enhancers" and you're literally adding false frames that aren't a part of the original content. This creates the dreaded "soap opera effect" where everything looks robotic or, with some mfg implementations, something straight out of Jacob's Ladder.

Black frame insertion is currently the best way to eliminate motion blur on sample-and-hold based displays. Ex. Sony's "impulse mode" is pretty good, but it reduces perceived screen brightness to levels that most find unusable. Instead of focusing on nonsensical gimmickry while ignoring the current crop of television's longstanding drawbacks, I wish that manufacturers would focus their efforts on improving/refining methodology like this.

Oh I see. Both (OLED/LED) suffer from this then?

I mean, I been gaming on LCD/LED monitors since the mid-2000's after finally retiring my CRT monitor... so I guess I am used to it, or do not notice as much (well I noticed motion blur on cheaper less quality displays, but I tend to buy higher end/spec'ed displays)? Or do PC monitors perform better than televisions on that front?

And would that LG G91 OLED perform better than let's say a Sony X810 or Samsung JU7500?

 

[PrimeRib_]

Wanting to get an affordable 4k tv. Which one would be the better buy? The Vizio M or P series. Only a couple hundred dollar difference between the two. I've heard good things about the M but nothing about the P.

I picked up the M60 back in October and it's a steal for an entry 4K. Somehow, games look more crisp than 1080p (Metal Gear, Rocket League, Diablo 3, etc). I was seriously trying to look for blur, or smearing but the upscaler is flawless. With game mode enabled, input lag is less than 20ms and feels widely improved from the older LCD Samsung I replaced it with.

If you need/want a tv now, want 4k and can't afford OLED that is all the rave, the M series Vizio is a great deal. Deep blacks, low input lag and great upscaler.

 

[ScepticMatt]

Oh I see. Both (OLED/LED) suffer from this then?

yes

I mean, I been gaming on LCD/LED monitors since the mid-2000's after finally retiring my CRT monitor... so I guess I am used to it, or do not notice as much (well I noticed motion blur on cheaper less quality displays, but I tend to buy higher end/spec'ed displays)? Or do PC monitors perform better than televisions on that front?

Some gaming monitors have low persistence modes. Some proprietary names are Lightboost, G-Sync ULMB, Benq BlurReduction, Eizo Turbo240 etc.
Many new LCD TVs also have low persistence modes without interpolation.

Can you provide examples visually to what you are talking about, so I can be aware of what I am looking for?

you can also test it yourself here:
Eye tracking:http://testufo.com/#test=eyetracking&pattern=stars
Persitence blur: http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates&count=2&background=none&pps=960
Text readability: http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates-text
BFI demonstration: http://www.testufo.com/#test=blackframes
(these tests include other sources of blur like slow LCD pixel transitions)

 

[DeepEnigma]

yes

Some gaming monitors have low persistence modes. Some proprietary names are Lightboost, G-Sync ULMB, Benq BlurReduction, Eizo Turbo240 etc.
Many new LCD TVs also have low persistence modes without interpolation.

you can also test it yourself here:
Eye tracking:http://testufo.com/#test=eyetracking&pattern=stars
Persitence blur: http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates&count=2&background=none&pps=960
Text readability: http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates-text
BFI demonstration: http://www.testufo.com/#test=blackframes
(these tests include other sources of blur like slow LCD pixel transitions)

Thanks for the info. I seen the same Alien/UFO in a review when I was looking up a 1080p IPS monitor.

Wouldn't one of the new LG OLED's still perform better than most LED/LCD TV's due to such a low response time?

 

[ScepticMatt]

Wouldn't one of the new LG OLED's still perform better than most LED/LCD TV's due to such a low response time?

If you mean that a LG OLED would perform better than a 60 Hz sample-and-hold LCD, then yes.
But for TN and recent IPS LCDs pixel transition times are not the dominant source of motion blur anymore, but rather blur due to pixel persistence.

Most TVs use either VA (better contrast) or IPS (better viewing angles). In the past gaming monitors used exclusively TN panels, but now IPS has improved sufficiently to be used in high refresh rate displays.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If you mean that a LG OLED would perform better than a 60 Hz sample-and-hold LCD, then yes.
But for TN and recent IPS LCDs pixel transition times are not the dominant source of motion blur anymore, but rather blur due to pixel persistence.

Most TVs use either VA (better contrast) or IPS (better viewing angles). In the past gaming monitors used exclusively TN panels, but now IPS has improved sufficiently to be used in high refresh rate displays.

I figured out the panels being VA and IPS while researching the past week for LCD TV's, so that part I noticed.

What about that LG G91 OLED versus let's say a Sony X810, the Sony X830 4K IPS, or Samsung JU7500?

Looking to bite on a great gaming TV with still great PQ. 48"-55" range. ($1400-$1500 max (even less than $1000 is fine as well), in case I want to upgrade it again in 3-4 years when tech matures more and if consoles are 4K ready).

I have not purchased a TV since my old Phillips from 6 years ago decided not to illuminate the lamps anymore due to a board inside 3 years ago, and it was not cost effective to fix (common issue). So I have been gaming on a 1080p IPS monitor.

And any of those 3 looked amazing in store. Hell, the 1080p 55" Sony W800C that is always on sale for $650-700 looked fantastic compared to what I remember 6 ears ago, lol.

 

[ScepticMatt]

I figured out the panels being VA and IPS while researching the past week for LCD TV's, so that part I noticed.

What about that LG G91 OLED versus let's say a Sony X810, the Sony X830 4K IPS, or Samsung JU7500?.

I don't know much. Both the Sony X810C and Samsung JU7500 seem fine at first glance. Looking at the rTings reviews, both have low input lag, but the JU7500 has faster pixel transition times (8.9 vs 12 ms). But it seems Sony's low persistence mode "Motionflow Impulse" can be combined with game mode, while Samsung's "LED Clear Motion" cannot (?)

 

[osiris3355]

I figured out the panels being VA and IPS while researching the past week for LCD TV's, so that part I noticed.

What about that LG G91 OLED versus let's say a Sony X810, the Sony X830 4K IPS, or Samsung JU7500?

Looking to bite on a great gaming TV with still great PQ. 48"-55" range. ($1400-$1500 max (even less than $1000 is fine as well), in case I want to upgrade it again in 3-4 years when tech matures more and if consoles are 4K ready).

I have not purchased a TV since my old Phillips from 6 years ago decided not to illuminate the lamps anymore due to a board inside 3 years ago, and it was not cost effective to fix (common issue). So I have been gaming on a 1080p IPS monitor.

And any of those 3 looked amazing in store. Hell, the 1080p 55" Sony W800C that is always on sale for $650-700 looked fantastic compared to what I remember 6 ears ago, lol.

I don't think the x810c has hdr but the 830 does. If you are looking at Sony hold off until March when the new models come out.

 

[Kleegamefan]

It damn near breaks my heart that plasmas are dead. I have an older plasma (2010ish model year, I think) from Samsung that, even though its only 720p (got an absurd deal that I couldn't pass up), has an absolutely gorgeous picture. No lag that I can detect, really smooth motion... they don't make them like that anymore! I want to upgrade to something newer, but between the high input lag of OLEDs that I keep hearing about and the motion on LEDs seeming a bit rough to me, I don't know what to do. I'd hate to get something new and then be like, "Well, its good, buuuuut..."

With 33.7ms input lag combined with 1 ms response time, I doubt you would have any response issues problems with the 2016 LG OLEDs

 

[Hobbun]

Smart man. I'm convinced that some are more sensitive to it than others, but for me poor motion handling is absolutely intolerable. Perhaps its akin to those who play 60fps games all the time and then "can't go back" to 30fps. Those of us who have used phosphor-based displays (almost) exclusively for years can't deal with sample-and-hold.

And it's actually only about 300 lines with interpolation turned off.

This is something I am concerned about, and sensitive to, as well. Back when I was looking for a new TV in 2007, I was sensitive to the motion resolution of TVs. Back then the problem I noticed with was LCDs. Not only was the motion a bit janky, but the blur was awful.

I vowed to stay away from LCD at that time, and ended up going with a Sony SXRD (projection) TV. I’ve loved it, with the exception of the known issue with the optic block. But it hasn’t been a continuous issue, just when it eventually goes ‘bad’.

I am actually concerned now in looking for a TV as it appears both OLED and LED/LCD have motion resolution (and other) issues. When looking at LED/LCD now, I notice the more ‘realistic’ effect, the characters seeming more 3D-like (best way I can explain it), I am guessing to that has to do with the motion, as well. I don’t have a problem with that, but when I start seeing blurring or judder, that drives me nuts.

I am concerned because I don’t run into ANY of that with my current TV. Motion is fine, as is input lag. So in that sense, it would be a downgrade. And where I will get a superior screen when I upgrade, just a better picture quality isn’t enough. I want the motion resolution very minimal, I want a good input lag and I don’t want any of the other quirks that are associated with both OLEDs and LED/LCDs (vignetting, bloom, banding, judder etc). At least not an issue to the extent that I notice it. Because like I said, in that aspect, it would be along the lines of a downgrade. In paying for a TV that is $4000-5000.

I guess I will just need to look at each TV (OLED and LED/LCD) and see how much it effects me/how much I notice of each issue.

 

[DeepEnigma]

All I have to say is I looked at every LG OLED in the store, next to every LED/LCD. Nothing came close the that picture quality (while the higher end Sony/Samsungs were amazing too, that OLED seemed to take it one step further). I can see the motion people are talking about in older displays, or cheap ones with low response times, etc (it does not bother me as much in higher end displays, I see it, but nothing to keep me annoyed)...

But that OLED, with the demos they had of the city bright lights and cars moving really fast etc, there is no blur at all, or jerkiness/flicker I could see on the other TVs. And no 'soap opera' tricks either. I was floored with the quality and smoothness. The colors were so good, the variance of colored lights all being discernible and crisp in the cities with no blurring or blooming. It looked better than real life out a window, lol.

I think I may be sold on it.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

It's tough to show outside of a real-world comparison -- and impossible if one does not have access to a quality plasma/CRT.

Basically, with LCD/OLED you're looking at something akin to the bottom of this picture with any excess processing (interpolation) turned off:

Spoiler

Forgive the CNET picture, Katz and co suck, but that's what showed up in a Google search.

Turn on the compensating "motion enhancers" and you're literally adding false frames that aren't a part of the original content. This creates the dreaded "soap opera effect" where everything looks robotic or, with some mfg implementations, something straight out of Jacob's Ladder.

Black frame insertion is currently the best way to eliminate motion blur on sample-and-hold based displays. Ex. Sony's "impulse mode" is pretty good, but it reduces perceived screen brightness to levels that most find unusable. Instead of focusing on nonsensical gimmickry while ignoring the current crop of television's longstanding drawbacks, I wish that manufacturers would focus their efforts on improving/refining methodology like this.

Can't exactly agree though. When I put my EC9300 on Tru Motion>user and I set dejudder and deblur at a certain setting, it looks great in movies and shows. It doesn't produce that fake soap effect that the smooth and clear settings in Tru Motion do. So for movies and shows I'm a big fan of this. Especially because without it I really notice judder.

 

[JaggedSac]

I picked up the M60 back in October and it's a steal for an entry 4K. Somehow, games look more crisp than 1080p (Metal Gear, Rocket League, Diablo 3, etc). I was seriously trying to look for blur, or smearing but the upscaler is flawless. With game mode enabled, input lag is less than 20ms and feels widely improved from the older LCD Samsung I replaced it with.

If you need/want a tv now, want 4k and can't afford OLED that is all the rave, the M series Vizio is a great deal. Deep blacks, low input lag and great upscaler.

Great thanks for the impressions.

 

[emats12]

Just finished up 1 week with my new LG 55EF9500 OLED that I picked up from Best Buy.

What an amazing TV, I still get blown away by the PQ everytime i watch it. The Oscars, last night, was a marvel.

I will say that I have not had any problems gaming on it either, I played a bunch of rounds of blops3 and didnt notice any lag compared to my old Samsung LCD CCFL tv.

TV shows no signs of obvious vignetting or uniformity issues but I am also not actively trying to find them with test scenes, etc..

The one complaint of the TV is some near black scenes or gray can get grainy and artifacty... not sure if its how the TV processes the source content or if its a setting im missing but it has happened a few times.

 

[Kelegacy]

All I have to say is I looked at every LG OLED in the store, next to every LED/LCD. Nothing came close the that picture quality (while the higher end Sony/Samsungs were amazing too, that OLED seemed to take it one step further). I can see the motion people are talking about in older displays, or cheap ones with low response times, etc (it does not bother me as much in higher end displays, I see it, but nothing to keep me annoyed)...

But that OLED, with the demos they had of the city bright lights and cars moving really fast etc, there is no blur at all, or jerkiness/flicker I could see on the other TVs. And no 'soap opera' tricks either. I was floored with the quality and smoothness. The colors were so good, the variance of colored lights all being discernible and crisp in the cities with no blurring or blooming. It looked better than real life out a window, lol.

I think I may be sold on it.

Coming from my M Series 4k Vizio, and also a Sharp and E series Vizio, the motion handling on the OLED is waaaay better. No color trails either. I am sensitive to blur even input lag and I have no complaints. My only thing is the screen door effect that I can pick up from time to time on white text, etc. But when I focus on it, it's gone again. That would be the only thing I could complain about with the OLED, and even then when compared to everything it does better than LCD/LED (pretty much everything by a large margin) it's negligible.

I haven't played a 60fps game on my 9100 yet, but I do see some of that traditional 30fps motion "blur" in games. But it's different. I mean on firing up The Last of Us on PS4 to play through again since I know the OLED will make it look amazing. So that will be one of my first tests with 60fps material I guess.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

How the hell is this possible though? Is it known that connecting to a receiver's HDMI can provide a inferior PQ on the TV? I'm not seeing things, I know that for certain and I am happy as hell.

Some receivers attempt to process or upscale everything that comes through them. You need to look for some kind of "passthrough" setting on the receiver that turns all that off so that it basically is just switching inputs. Be forewarned, you may lose any on-screen display (OSD) that your receiver was doing. Since your unit is some kind of Blu Ray all-in-one, though, I don't know if this is even possible.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Coming from my M Series 4k Vizio, and also a Sharp and E series Vizio, the motion handling on the OLED is waaaay better. No color trails either. I am sensitive to blur even input lag and I have no complaints. My only thing is the screen door effect that I can pick up from time to time on white text, etc. But when I focus on it, it's gone again. That would be the only thing I could complain about with the OLED, and even then when compared to everything it does better than LCD/LED (pretty much everything by a large margin) it's negligible.

I haven't played a 60fps game on my 9100 yet, but I do see some of that traditional 30fps motion "blur" in games. But it's different. I mean on firing up The Last of Us on PS4 to play through again since I know the OLED will make it look amazing. So that will be one of my first tests with 60fps material I guess.

Please leave some impressions. I am literally a hairline's close to pulling the trigger on the 9100. The lady said she was sold on it as well. We were walking through all the TV's, and she liked the Sony X830, Sony W800, Samsung JU7500, (and was indifferent, and just would say, "get whichever one you like, they are all nice to me", but once she saw the OLED, she actually perked up and went, "oh yeah, this is it". She is a very talented artist and musician that works in/with many mediums, and she was bored with the other sets from a artist standpoint, but the OLED ones she actually smiled and stared/marveled at it.

Even yesterday, she goes, "have you decided on the TV, is it the curved OLED one we both marveled at, I really liked that one?". Where as the other sets in the prior weeks, she never brought it up asking if I was ready, lol.

 

[emats12]

Please leave some impressions. I am literally a hairline's close to pulling the trigger on the 9100. The lady said she was sold on it as well. We were walking through all the TV's, and she liked the Sony X830, Sony W800, Samsung JU7500, (and was indifferent, and just would say, "get whichever one you like, they are all nice to me", but once she saw the OLED, she actually perked up and went, "oh yeah, this is it". She is a very talented artist and musician that works in many mediums, and she was bored with the other sets from a artist standpoint, but the OLED ones she actually smiled and stared/marveled at it.

Even yesterday, she goes, "have you decided on the TV, is it the curved OLED one we both marveled at, I really liked that one?". Where as the other sets in the prior weeks, she never brought it up asking if I was ready, lol.

just pull the trigger, you will not be dissapointed with OLED

 

[TerryLee81]

Yeah I bought the 9100 last week and it's fantastic. Make sure to read up on recommended settings etc.,but that goes for any TV.

 

[Cloggerdude]

We're moving houses soon, so I plan to consolidate my two plasmas (Panasonic and Pioneer Kuro) into one 65" OLED set. I'm definitely going to wait until the B6 gets released, but I may just pick up a discounted 9500 if there isn't a huge difference between the two. It'll be interesting to see!

 

[PeterVenkman]

We're moving houses soon, so I plan to consolidate my two plasmas (Panasonic and Pioneer Kuro) into one 65" OLED set. I'm definitely going to wait until the B6 gets released, but I may just pick up a discounted 9500 if there isn't a huge difference between the two. It'll be interesting to see!

I'm waiting for the same thing, but if it's not in the budget I might be waiting for the next line of panels to drop the price even further.

 

[Buburibon]

Please leave some impressions. I am literally a hairline's close to pulling the trigger on the 9100. The lady said she was sold on it as well. We were walking through all the TV's, and she liked the Sony X830, Sony W800, Samsung JU7500, (and was indifferent, and just would say, "get whichever one you like, they are all nice to me", but once she saw the OLED, she actually perked up and went, "oh yeah, this is it". She is a very talented artist and musician that works in many mediums, and she was bored with the other sets from a artist standpoint, but the OLED ones she actually smiled and stared/marveled at it.

Even yesterday, she goes, "have you decided on the TV, is it the curved OLED one we both marveled at, I really liked that one?". Where as the other sets in the prior weeks, she never brought it up asking if I was ready, lol.

That's cool. It sounds like the 9100s are on another level when compared to the older 9300s. The latter disappointed me on several fronts ("screen door" effect, motion handling, screen uniformity, etc) outside of superb black levels, and excellent color vibrance. So much so it ended up in the bedroom where we don't do any critical viewing. Anyhow, I can't wait to get a large OLED that meets all of my needs, and I'm thinking it'll be a Panasonic next year. Until then I'll stick to the X940C, and might even upgrade to the X940D depending on how much better it turns out to be than the C.

 

[DeepEnigma]

just pull the trigger, you will not be dissapointed with OLED

I am in! Now to see if I can get Best Buy to price match some nice established online sites in the $1400-$1500 range with some smooth talk, and promise them to ser up a credit account with them, lol.

Yeah I bought the 9100 last week and it's fantastic. Make sure to read up on recommended settings etc.,but that goes for any TV.

I definitely plan on it. I seen some on AVS and rtings.com, do you have any you recommend you seen online?

Thinking of getting this worst case... or for finer tuning after.

 

[DD-11]

Not to shift focus away from oled. But I was given a crazy deal on a nib 55" Samsung 9000 and I had to pull the trigger--$1800 even after taxes.

The picture is lovely and I have to say, when I had my old tv side by side, the input lag on the old set was definitely noticeable (it was around 40ms). It never used to ruin games, but I could never go back.

 

[mattp]

It's tough to show outside of a real-world comparison -- and impossible if one does not have access to a quality plasma/CRT.

Basically, with LCD/OLED you're looking at something akin to the bottom of this picture with any excess processing (interpolation) turned off:

Spoiler

Forgive the CNET picture, Katz and co suck, but that's what showed up in a Google search.

Turn on the compensating "motion enhancers" and you're literally adding false frames that aren't a part of the original content. This creates the dreaded "soap opera effect" where everything looks robotic or, with some mfg implementations, something straight out of Jacob's Ladder.

Black frame insertion is currently the best way to eliminate motion blur on sample-and-hold based displays. Ex. Sony's "impulse mode" is pretty good, but it reduces perceived screen brightness to levels that most find unusable. Instead of focusing on nonsensical gimmickry while ignoring the current crop of television's longstanding drawbacks, I wish that manufacturers would focus their efforts on improving/refining methodology like this.

what's wrong with katzmaier

 

[Kelegacy]

Please leave some impressions. I am literally a hairline's close to pulling the trigger on the 9100. The lady said she was sold on it as well. We were walking through all the TV's, and she liked the Sony X830, Sony W800, Samsung JU7500, (and was indifferent, and just would say, "get whichever one you like, they are all nice to me", but once she saw the OLED, she actually perked up and went, "oh yeah, this is it". She is a very talented artist and musician that works in many mediums, and she was bored with the other sets from a artist standpoint, but the OLED ones she actually smiled and stared/marveled at it.

Even yesterday, she goes, "have you decided on the TV, is it the curved OLED one we both marveled at, I really liked that one?". Where as the other sets in the prior weeks, she never brought it up asking if I was ready, lol.

I could leave you some more impressions but it's really hard without gushing. I've owned the tv for about a week and a half and I have no complaints. My final verdict is this: BUY IT if you can afford it and you want/need a new tv anyway. You can't currently get a better picture quality for the price, even pitted against flagship LED sets. And this is an ENTRY-LEVEL OLED!

When I first bought a top-tier 1080p television almost 10 years ago, I spent roughly $2300. TVs were pricier back then and this was a really high-end Samsung. I remember watching tv and not wanting to leave the house it looked so great. You get used to it, you aren't shocked at a good picture anymore.

I spent a grand less on the 9100 and when I hooked up the OLED I had that same sense of WOW. I have been hunting for that feeling for 10 years and even with 4k LED I have struck out. But the contrast and colors of an OLED set did it for me. Black is actually black, perfect.

I game on it exclusively though. It's my man-cave tv, even though it's the best set in the house. My wife can live with the LED 4k in the living room. Still, no lag or anything that I can tell, and I came from a fairly zippy Vizio as I mentioned before pulling the trigger on the 9100 a couple pages back.

I may be biased now though, since in the week I have owned the tv, I have made it my goal to sell an OLED to as many people as I can, to wake them up from their inferior slumber! I hope prices continue to fall rapidly so everyone can have a beauty like this in their home.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I could leave you some more impressions but it's really hard without gushing. I've owned the tv for about a week and a half and I have no complaints. My final verdict is this: BUY IT if you can afford it and you want/need a new tv anyway. You can't currently get a better picture quality for the price, even pitted against flagship LED sets. And this is an ENTRY-LEVEL OLED!

When I first bought a top-tier 1080p television almost 10 years ago, I spent roughly $2300. TVs were pricier back then and this was a really high-end Samsung. I remember watching tv and not wanting to leave the house it looked so great. You get used to it, you aren't shocked at a good picture anymore.

I spent a grand less on the 9100 and when I hooked up the OLED I had that same sense of WOW. I have been hunting for that feeling for 10 years and even with 4k LED I have struck out. But the contrast and colors of an OLED set did it for me. Black is actually black, perfect.

I game on it exclusively though. It's my man-cave tv, even though it's the best set in the house. My wife can live with the LED 4k in the living room. Still, no lag or anything that I can tell, and I came from a fairly zippy Vizio as I mentioned before pulling the trigger on the 9100 a couple pages back.

I may be biased now though, since in the week I have owned the tv, I have made it my goal to sell an OLED to as many people as I can, to wake them up from their inferior slumber! I hope prices continue to fall rapidly so everyone can have a beauty like this in their home.

I am sold. The mere fact that she even stopped, and went, "this, now this I like", that was when I knew I was not "seeing things". She would wander away from the TV's bored over the past 2 weeks, lol, but that one stopped her in her tracks this weekend when I decided to wander to them. And even got her to ask about it again yesterday, and she rearranged things in the music/gaming room preparing for the TV while I was at the office. Came home pleasantly surprised at the new layout. So I am now excited, since I am in the market for a new TV, and did not bother getting one when the old Phillips went out 3 years ago, lol.

55 inches of Uncharted 4. My goal is to have it well before then so I can experience it on that screen!

Do they make any apps for the Android phones and iPad or does anyone recommend a good app for for running functions on the TV?

 

[emats12]

I am sold. The mere fact that she even stopped, and went, "this, now this I like", that was when I knew I was not "seeing things". She would wander away from the TV's bored over the past 2 weeks, lol, but that one stopped her in her tracks this weekend when I decided to wander to them. And even got her to ask about it again yesterday, and she rearranged things in the music/gaming room preparing for the TV while I was at the office. Came home pleasantly surprised at the new layout. So I am now excited, since I am in the market for a new TV, and did not bother getting one when the old Phillips went out 3 years ago, lol.

55 inches of Uncharted 4. My goal is to have it well before then so I can experience it on that screen!

Do they make any apps for the Android phones and iPad or does anyone recommend a good app for for running functions on the TV?

TBH the LG app for iPhone kinda sucks but there is one

 

[DeepEnigma]

TBH the LG app for iPhone kinda sucks but there is one

Are there any recommended third party apps, kinda like a Harmony style that works well with various models that people universally use?

Edit: Found these two that will probably suffice.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lge.tv.remoteapps

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lge.app1

Also downloaded Plex, and eager to mess around with that application. Never used it before.

 

[Hobbun]

I could leave you some more impressions but it's really hard without gushing. I've owned the tv for about a week and a half and I have no complaints. My final verdict is this: BUY IT if you can afford it and you want/need a new tv anyway. You can't currently get a better picture quality for the price, even pitted against flagship LED sets. And this is an ENTRY-LEVEL OLED!

When I first bought a top-tier 1080p television almost 10 years ago, I spent roughly $2300. TVs were pricier back then and this was a really high-end Samsung. I remember watching tv and not wanting to leave the house it looked so great. You get used to it, you aren't shocked at a good picture anymore.

I spent a grand less on the 9100 and when I hooked up the OLED I had that same sense of WOW. I have been hunting for that feeling for 10 years and even with 4k LED I have struck out. But the contrast and colors of an OLED set did it for me. Black is actually black, perfect.

I game on it exclusively though. It's my man-cave tv, even though it's the best set in the house. My wife can live with the LED 4k in the living room. Still, no lag or anything that I can tell, and I came from a fairly zippy Vizio as I mentioned before pulling the trigger on the 9100 a couple pages back.

I may be biased now though, since in the week I have owned the tv, I have made it my goal to sell an OLED to as many people as I can, to wake them up from their inferior slumber! I hope prices continue to fall rapidly so everyone can have a beauty like this in their home.

Really glad you are enjoying your new TV!

The OLED I am looking into is either the G6 or E6. I do like to hear that you bought your OLED for gaming, as that is an aspect important to me.

However, this does concern me a bit:

I haven't played a 60fps game on my 9100 yet, but I do see some of that traditional 30fps motion "blur" in games. But it's different. I mean on firing up The Last of Us on PS4 to play through again since I know the OLED will make it look amazing. So that will be one of my first tests with 60fps material I guess.

Motion blur bothers me a lot, I have been very sensitive with it when I’ve seen it. Considering I would be coming from a TV where I don’t experience it at all. And a ‘phenomenal picture’ isn’t enough to just look past it for me. It would be something that would bother me while playing on/watching the TV.

Have you seen any judder from the TV, at all? Judder is the effect where with motion the screen jitters and doesn’t appear to ‘catch up’, it’s not a smooth pan or movement. Judder has been attempted to be fixed with previous LG OLED models with “TruMotion”, but that has given the Soap Opera effect, which brings us back to blur.

What I am really hoping that these issues will not evident when I get the chance to go into the store and test them out. I am actually going to bring in my PS4 and test some games (I checked with them first), as well.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Motion blur bothers me a lot, I have been very sensitive with it when I’ve seen it. Considering I would be coming from a TV where I don’t experience it at all. And a ‘phenomenal picture’ isn’t enough to just look past it for me. It would be something that would bother me while playing on/watching the TV.

I haven't had an OLED yet, but I did own the Samsung JU7500 for a time, and as another SXRD owner I can tell you that the motion blur and judder are not very noticeable on that set coming from the SXRD, and the OLEDs are supposed to be even better in that regard (see HERE). The SXRD does have some motion blur and judder, but it's very minimal compared to many LCDs, and definitely better than the ones that were around when we bought our sets (06-07). Adjusting to the JU7500 was not a big deal for me in this regard so it might not bother you either.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Some receivers attempt to process or upscale everything that comes through them. You need to look for some kind of "passthrough" setting on the receiver that turns all that off so that it basically is just switching inputs. Be forewarned, you may lose any on-screen display (OSD) that your receiver was doing. Since your unit is some kind of Blu Ray all-in-one, though, I don't know if this is even possible.

Hmm,i could check if a setting like that is in there. In the video options of the receiver there's something called SBM, it says it's a functional process of smooth gradation video signal out from HDMI and it was on automatic. Disabled it. No idea if that's the culprit. I also see a option called ycbcr /RGB (HDMI) on automatic.

The way I have everything set up now it's solely using the receiver only for sound. I have the Xbox One's HDMI cable connected into the TV and one HDMI cable from TV(arc) goes into the receiver(arc), using it this way i already lose the OSM, but that's OK with me.

For some odd reason though, when I use it this way, the sound just cuts off after a while. One moment I hear audio and then out of the blue no sound anymore. I then have to go into the TV's sound menu and choose the external speaker(optical, HDMI arc) option again. And then it works again. I also enabled Simplink on the TV by the way, otherwise I get no sound from the speakers this way.

 

[Kelegacy]

Yeah I would strongly recommend trying out a set in the store with a game system hooked up if you can. I don't know how sensitive you are, but if you have the option, do it. I hate buying tvs and taking them back, it's such a hassle.

All the reviews I have read, like over at Rtings, state how superior the tv is for motion with gaming due to the response time and even show an image. I don't know how to describe the motion (it's not blur though) I'm seeing since I attribute it to 30fps games. You know that old image people post from time to time of 30fps vs 60fps, with the ball moving smoothly across the screen at 60fps but seems to "skip" a bit at 30fps due to the lower fps? I think it's like that.

I was playing Soma last night (a first person game) and kept rotating the camera to observe the motion, but it's hard for me to really tell what I'm seeing, if anything at all. Maybe tonight I'll test it out with higher FPS stuff. My Vizio has the backlight strobbing and I didn't find it of any help and the motion still bugged me.

I also don't use any motion smoothing or other processing in order to get lower lag, plus Game Mode doesn't allow it anyway. I did watch my son play a few games over the weekend and marveled at how much better it handled motion than any tv I currently own, new or old (I have a tv fetish and own too many).

 

[Hobbun]

I haven't had an OLED yet, but I did own the Samsung JU7500 for a time, and as another SXRD owner I can tell you that the motion blur and judder are not very noticeable on that set coming from the SXRD, and the OLEDs are supposed to be even better in that regard (see HERE). The SXRD does have some motion blur and judder, but it's very minimal compared to many LCDs, and definitely better than the ones that were around when we bought our sets (06-07). Adjusting to the JU7500 was not a big deal for me in this regard so it might not bother you either.

It’s nice getting input from another SXRD owner as they can relate to what I have experienced.

Ok, maybe I am not as sensitive to it as I had thought, if I really haven’t noticed it on my SXRD (and you said it is there). Although I have noticed it on other televisions where with other people it hasn’t bothered them. So, maybe I won’t notice it if it is very minimal on the new OLEDs.

Thanks for the info and link.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yeah I would strongly recommend trying out a set in the store with a game system hooked up if you can. I don't know how sensitive you are, but if you have the option, do it. I hate buying tvs and taking them back, it's such a hassle.

All the reviews I have read, like over at Rtings, state how superior the tv is for motion with gaming due to the response time and even show an image. I don't know how to describe the motion (it's not blur though) I'm seeing since I attribute it to 30fps games. You know that old image people post from time to time of 30fps vs 60fps, with the ball moving smoothly across the screen at 60fps but seems to "skip" a bit at 30fps due to the lower fps? I think it's like that.

I was playing Soma last night (a first person game) and kept rotating the camera to observe the motion, but it's hard for me to really tell what I'm seeing, if anything at all. Maybe tonight I'll test it out with higher FPS stuff. My Vizio has the backlight strobbing and I didn't find it of any help and the motion still bugged me.

I also don't use any motion smoothing or other processing in order to get lower lag, plus Game Mode doesn't allow it anyway. I did watch my son play a few games over the weekend and marveled at how much better it handled motion than any tv I currently own, new or old (I have a tv fetish and own too many).

A lot of what you are seeing can be possibly be contributed to poor motion blurring in some 30fps games. Like the locked 30fps on TLoU Remaster versus the >30fps (felt smoother) on the PS3 version, due to the motion blur being the same technique as the 60fps part of the game and not done separately, I believe.

Do you have The Order to test it? That is one of the silkiest 30fps games I have played this gen, and in a long time. Their input response technique combined with their use of motion tech makes it so silky, you sometimes swear it is 60fps (even though it clearly is not), it just plays that smoothly.

And as I read on various sites, the motion on the OLED surpass anything out there, minus the flicker of Plasma with sports, which to me, is a plus.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Eh, I finally pulled the trigger. I kept talking about it, and my fiance' told me to just go for it.

Ordered one of the last 40" Samsung JU7500 models that is supposedly about as good as it gets for gaming from Amazon. ~$1300 on a 40" is a tough pill to swallow; but I'm excited nonetheless. I have no doubt it'll be a great TV.

Here's the deal - I wanted smaller than 50". Which pretty much leaves 40" and less. This is pretty much the only flagship model in that size, and it just so happens to be reviewed as one of the absolute best gaming displays you can get. It will be used for games in my small office about 95% of the time; the other 5% will be Netflix/TV for background noise, I imagine.

The plan is to keep this as my primary gaming TV for consoles for the long-term future; probably through the next console generation.

Since it wasn't nearly as expensive as a larger flagship, I'll probably upgrade our family room TV in the next year/year and a half. I'd like to do a 60"+ 4K OLED, but want to keep it well optioned and under $2500. I imagine that should be do-able next year.

 

[Buburibon]

What I am really hoping that these issues will not evident when I get the chance to go into the store and test them out. I am actually going to bring in my PS4 and test some games (I checked with them first), as well.

Yes, please do take your PS4 to the store, disable all motion processing on the OLED set you'll be testing, and enable "PC mode", or whatever the newer LG OLEDs are calling it these days to make sure input lag is at its lowest. Then, and only then evaluate how the set handles motion. I attempted to test the EC9300 (way back when it first came out) in store with a couple videos on a USB stick, but failed to disable all motion processing on the set, so everything looked great at the time. Truth be told, I was so enamored with the insanely deep black levels, color, and contrast, that I probably glanced over everything else in order to take it home a.s.a.p. It was only after I had it set up at home, and understood how the settings worked, that I realized I didn't like how it handled motion at 24, 30 or 60fps compared to other sets (Panasonic ZT60, Sharp Elite Pro, most notably) I owned then.

I haven't had an OLED yet, but I did own the Samsung JU7500 for a time, and as another SXRD owner I can tell you that the motion blur and judder are not very noticeable on that set coming from the SXRD, and the OLEDs are supposed to be even better in that regard (see HERE). The SXRD does have some motion blur and judder, but it's very minimal compared to many LCDs, and definitely better than the ones that were around when we bought our sets (06-07). Adjusting to the JU7500 was not a big deal for me in this regard so it might not bother you either.

It's interesting they rated the EC9300 a 9.9 for motion. I haven't read the review in its entirety, but the only way that specific set could score so high in that department is with motion processing enabled. In any case, I'll browse their website later to see how they've rated plasma TVs, and other high-end LCDs of a few years ago.

 

[Kelegacy]

A lot of what you are seeing can be possibly be contributed to poor motion blurring in some 30fps games. Like the locked 30fps on TLoU Remaster versus the >30fps (felt smoother) on the PS3 version, due to the motion blur being the same technique as the 60fps part of the game and not done separately, I believe.

Do you have The Order to test it? That is one of the silkiest 30fps games I have played this gen, and in a long time. Their input response technique combined with their use of motion tech makes it so silky, you sometimes swear it is 60fps (even though it clearly is not), it just plays that smoothly.

And as I read on various sites, the motion on the OLED surpass anything out there, minus the flicker of Plasma with sports, which to me, is a plus.

I do have the Order. I still love popping in games I had played previously on my LED sets and seeing them like they are brand new on the OLED, so maybe I'll do that soon.

I can't wait to hear your impressions once you get the set. I think pretty much everyone has that giddy feeling and is super excited about the quality once they power it up so I love to read new owners' comments, even though I'm a new owner myself.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I do have the Order. I still love popping in games I had played previously on my LED sets and seeing them like they are brand new on the OLED, so maybe I'll do that soon.

I can't wait to hear your impressions once you get the set. I think pretty much everyone has that giddy feeling and is super excited about the quality once they power it up so I love to read new owners' comments, even though I'm a new owner myself.

I most definitely will. Please let us know how The Order looks as well.

I messaged her by the way, and her response was that of a fist pump, lol. She is also buying a new 12 string guitar so, we must go to different stores so she can play a few she was interested in, so that decision excitement can be mostly for her turn as well, lol.

It is always nice when the wife is on board! I have been wanting an OLED for a couple years at least, and my wife recently said just to get it after she heard me listening to reviews videos over and over online. It was a good thing because I had already pulled the trigger on an open box and it was going to be delivered a couple days later anyway. PHEW!

Still, when I told her she was like, "WHAT?" She said she didn't really think I'd get one, even though she gave my blessing.

Nice, haha. That was fate right there!

 

[Kelegacy]

I most definitely will. Please let us know how The Order looks as well.

I messaged her by the way, and her response was that of a fist pump, lol. She is also buying a new 12 string guitar so, we must go to different stores so she can play a few she was interested in, so that decision excitement can be mostly for her turn as well, lol.

It is always nice when the wife is on board! I have been wanting an OLED for a couple years at least, and my wife recently said just to get it after she heard me listening to reviews videos over and over online. It was a good thing because I had already pulled the trigger on an open box and it was going to be delivered a couple days later anyway. PHEW!

Still, when I told her she was like, "WHAT?" She said she didn't really think I'd get one, even though she gave my blessing. She's okay with it though. She's not really into tvs even though she uses them a lot; she'd be happy watching some crappy set in Vivid mode with Dynamic Contrast through the roof.

 

[osiris3355]

New Sony Android TVs are out!

XBR-55X850D
$1,599.99 Reg: $1,899.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-x8...lack/4801600.p?id=1219824661812&skuId=4801600

XBR-65X850D
$3,499.99 No sales yet.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-so...lack/4801900.p?id=1219824662327&skuId=4801900

 

[Daante]

Panasonic DX902 updated review with new firmware that lowers the input lag significantly!

https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-dx902-tx-65dx902b-uhd-4k-tv-review.12385

"When we initially reviewed the DX902 we measured an input lag of 68ms which is too high for serious gamers. However our review sample was one of the first production units in the world and was running an early version of the firmware.

In response to our findings Panasonic have updated the firmware and as a result the 58-inch DX902 now measures an input lag of 35ms, whilst the 65-inch model measures 38ms. We took these measurements with just about everything turned off including the Adaptive Backlight Control and Intelligent Frame Creation, although setting the Adaptive Backlight Control to Min actually made no difference to the measurements.

Interestingly turning the Game Mode off also made no difference but this is because we had the IFC feature off. So effectively if you turn off most features whilst gaming then you don't actually need to use the Game Mode and it's really just a quick way of reducing the input lag if you do have a number of features engaged. In case you're wondering turning the Game Mode off and turning the IFC feature on added an extra 10ms to the lag time. An input lag of less than 40ms is excellent and makes what was already an impressive TV even more desirable. Perhaps more importantly, top marks to Panasonic for being so proactive and addressing our feedback immediately."

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I'm looking to upgrade from my 32in 720p TV soon to something in the range of 48in. I've got a budget of $500 and it needs to be 1080p, have a good response time for games, and be a known brand. Don't care about smart TV features.

These are three that I am considering.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TRQQ19W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TRQPPQC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SMBFP4U/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Thoughts?

 

[Jigolo]

I'm looking to upgrade from my 32in 720p TV soon to something in the range of 48in. I've got a budget of $500 and it needs to be 1080p, have a good response time for games, and be a known brand. Don't care about smart TV features.

These are three that I am considering.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TRQQ19W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TRQPPQC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SMBFP4U/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Thoughts?

E series is the best of those TVs there for games

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

E series is the best of those TVs there for games

The Vizio, right?

 

[Jigolo]

The Vizio, right?

Yep

If you want a bit more detail go to rtings.com

It's a very useful site

 

[megarockexe]

I have a Vizio D series. And I have it connected to a matching 3.1 sound bar. But there is a near full second video delay. It's connected via optical. Is this recommend for this setup?

 

[Enforcer]

With 33.7ms input lag combined with 1 ms response time, I doubt you would have any response issues problems with the 2016 LG OLEDs

I didn't realize the new models were that low. I'll have to look into LG's new line then.

 

[suberzat]

Looking for a cheap tv to game on since I left my tv back home when I moved out of state.

Just want to get back to playing the TW3/other games and purchase SFV.

Any recommendations? Or should I just go get the cheap no name tv from walmart. Looking to spend $350 max since I will most likely purchase a new tv I want later.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Looking for a cheap tv to game on since I left my tv back home when I moved out of state.

Just want to get back to playing the TW3/other games and purchase SFV.

Any recommendations? Or should I just go get the cheap no name tv from walmart. Looking to spend $350 max since I will most likely purchase a new tv I want later.

VIZIO entry models are great for gaming.

Check this site here:

http://www.rtings.com/tv